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Title: Why Do People Hate The Jews?
Source: simpletoremember.com
URL Source: http://www.simpletoremember.com/vit ... hy_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm
Published: Jan 12, 2009
Author: simpletoremember
Post Date: 2009-01-12 16:40:24 by Old Friend
Keywords: None
Views: 1132
Comments: 96

It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power." 2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people." 3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles." 4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus." 5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.) 6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."

As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.

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http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/reason-for-anti-semitism.htm

The Reason For Anti-Semitism AntiSemitism The Longest Hatred

"Who has made us Jews different from all other people? Who has allowed us to suffer so terribly up until now? It is G-d who has made us as we are, but it will be God, too, who will raise us up again. Who knows it might even be our religion from which the world and all peoples learn good, and for that reason and only that reason do we suffer. We can never become just Netherlanders, or just English or representatives of any country for that matter. We will always remain Jews."

- From the diary of Anne Frank, April 11, 1944

Anti-Semitism is unique amongst the hatreds in the world in a combination of four aspects: 1) Longevity -- it's been around a long time 2) Universality -- virtually everywhere in the world 3) Intensity -- it's expressed in a particularly virulent manner 4) Confusion -- there is surprisingly little agreement on why people hate the Jews.

Historians offer many "reasons" to explain why people are anti-Semitic: Jews are too powerful or too lazy; too separate or a threat to "racial purity" through assimilation; pacifistic or warmongers; capitalist exploiters or revolutionary communists; the "killers" of Jesus or the progenitors of Jesus; possessors of a Chosen People mentality or an inferiority complex. These reasons have one thing in common -- they have nothing to do with our being Jewish. One might think that we are just the victims of bad luck -- always possessing the needed quality to be hated wherever we are in the world at exactly that time in history.

Do you know who disagrees with the historians? Anne Frank. Writes Anne Frank on April 11, 1944 in her diary: "Who knows -- it might even be our religion from which the world and all peoples learn good, and for that reason and that reason alone do we now suffer. We can never become just Netherlanders, or just English, or representatives of any other country for that matter. We will always remain Jews."

Anne Frank made a point of stressing that Jews have something of special value to give to the world, and that is precisely what the world has resented, and that is why people have persecuted Jews. Anne Frank identifies anti-Semitism as a hatred of Jewishness, a loathing altogether different from the bigotry or racism that other peoples experience.

The Talmud (Tractate Shabbos 69) cites the source of anti-Semitism using a play on words: The Torah - the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards - was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" - sinah. "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah - the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew - emanates from Sinai."

At Sinai Jews were told that there is one God, Who makes moral demands on all of humanity. Consequently, at Sinai the Jewish nation became the target for the hatred of those whose strongest drive is to liberate mankind from the shackles of conscience and morality.

At Sinai the Jewish nation was appointed to be "a light unto the nations." There are those who embrace Jews and the Jewish faith because of that light; but there are also those who want the world to be a place of spiritual darkness. They object to morality. Those would-be harbingers of darkness attack the Jews as the lightning rod for their hatred. This "call to Sinai" - the message entrusted to and borne by the Jews - ultimately transforms the world. Yet, it is this very message that draws forth the wrath of those who would give their last ounce of strength to resist it.

A great many people simply can't cope with the burden of being good. However, when they act in ways that are bad, they can't cope with the resultant feelings of guilt. Try as they may, they can never cut themselves loose from the standards of absolute morality dictated by the Torah. Stuck in this "Catch-22" situation, people turn with their mounting frustrations against the Jews, whom they perceive as personifying humanity's collective conscience.

When the Jews entered the theological arena, they showed people all the mistakes they had been making: Pagan gods are nonsense - there is only one God for all of mankind, Who is invisible, infinite and perfect. Infanticide and human sacrifice are unacceptable. Every human being is born with specific rights. No one can live as he pleases, for everyone must surrender his will to a higher Authority.

On a certain conscious level, people recognize the Jews' message as truth. Those unwilling to embrace the truth have found that the only way to rid themselves of it is to destroy the messengers - for the message itself is too potent to be dismissed.

That is what is so irksome about the Jews, and that is why, for some people, nothing less than total destruction of the Jews will do. If Judaism were just another ideology, people could laugh it off and continue on their merry way. But deep in his soul, every human being recognizes the essential truths of morality - people can't just laugh it off.

For the last 2,000 years the Jewish people have gone through enormous amounts of persecution, hatred - ultimately leading to genocide. And through it all, the Jewish people always held onto being Jewish. And the reason why is that they really understood that it was worth it. They understood what the meaning of being Jewish was, and they were willing to pay the price.

The pain that is part and parcel of being Jewish is obvious; if people cannot see any meaning to that pain, it is unlikely that they will be willing to stand by their Jewish identity. That is why we find such widespread assimilation today - Jews do not see why they should "lose out" on life and set themselves apart from their host societies.

If we can come to understand why Jews are so hated, we can understand who Jews are and, more important, who Jews can be. A powerful effort has been made to remove the Jewish element from anti-Semitism, and in doing so, to ignore the critical message anti-Semitism teaches about the uniqueness and preciousness of the Jew. This alone is a compelling reason for Jews to learn about anti-Semitism and what it means to be a Jew.

This article appeared in the Aish HaTorah Shabbat Shalom Fax written by Rabbi Kalman Packouz; it was based on the "Why the Jews?" seminar which is available online at http://www.aish.com/seminars/whythejews/

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   16:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Old Friend (#0)

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#3. To: All (#1)

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/hitler-quotes.htm

Hitler Quotes from Adolf Hitler

"The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 234

We are the joyous Hitler youth, We do not need any Christian virtue Our leader is our savior The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone We want to be pagans once again."

- Song sung by Hitler youth

"They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end."

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 87

"Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortification of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and independence which only a very few can bear."

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 222

"The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision."

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220

"If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it."

- Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse, p. 122; from a conversation with Croatian Foreign Minister General Kvaternik, July 21, 1941

"The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time."

- Jackel, Hitler's Worldview, p. 52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923

"The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew."

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 7

"The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 51

".. Do you now appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than religion; it is the will to create mankind anew."

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks

"The earth continues to go round, whether it's the man who kills the tiger or the tiger who eats the man. The stronger asserts his will, it's the law of nature. The world doesn't change; its laws are eternal."

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 38-39

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   16:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#0)

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.

If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time, I'd have to have some real blinders on to think that the problem was with the bars that were throwing me out.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   16:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluegrass (#7) (Edited)

If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time,

It is the devil. He doesn't want scripture fulfilled. To bad it will anyway.

Your analogy is piss poor as this happened over a period of thousands of years for different alleged reasons.

Take off your blinders.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   16:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, wudidiz (#7)

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.

If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time, I'd have to have some real blinders on to think that the problem was with the bars that were throwing me out.

ping.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   16:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Old Friend (#8)

It is the devil.

The devil created the Zionists.

Why do you support the satanic ones?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   16:51:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Old Friend (#8)

It is the devil. He doesn't want scripture fulfilled.

Yes. The devil. How original.

Maybe Jewish groups just don't want people looking too closely at history. Many of those so-called "expulsions" were just countries that became sick of Jewish moneylenders and booted them from polite society. Jews themselves stayed or went depending on whether or not they could make a living. That's called "expulsion" by the philosemites.

The Magna Carta of 1215, considered one of the original Anglo-Saxon documents that put us on the road to Liberty, has two specific references to Jews and debt.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   16:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Old Friend (#0)

Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Maybe folks just don't like people with paranoid persecution manias?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2009-01-12   16:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend (#0)

I think that experience has shown that Jews have been expelled because they are thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies -- in other words, destroyers.

In politics there is no murder.

Turtle  posted on  2009-01-12   16:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#13) (Edited)

I think that experience has shown that Jews have been expelled because they are thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies -- in other words, destroyers.

I think that some people are just jealous of them. Envious.

Also judging a person for their actions is honorable. Judging people for behavior of people in their group is evil.

Every country has thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies. So why are the Jews singled out?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   16:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)

Maybe folks just don't like people with paranoid persecution manias?

Are you saying some of these charges are incorrect. Because I am sure examples of all can be found.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Old Friend (#0)

Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do."

Christ was speaking of the Romans, not the Jews, who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-01-12   17:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Old Friend (#14)

I think that some people are just jealous of them. Envious.

I used to know a rude, egotistical jerk in high school that thought that everyone was jealous of him.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#16)

Christ was speaking of the Romans, not the Jews, who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.

Good observation Lodwick. I went back and reread it. I have a different take on it though. It seems from the wording that he was asking for forgiveness for both Jews and Romans.

The Romans killed Jesus. The Jewish leaders instigated it. You cannot absolve guilt from the ones who carried out the deed.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: bluegrass (#17)

I used to know a rude, egotistical jerk in high school that thought that everyone was jealous of him.

That is nice. But it has nothing to do with the discussion.

To deny that some people are jealous of Jews is disingenuous. Surely not everyone is jealous of them or even most people. Just some people.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#19)

To deny that some people are jealous of Jews is disingenuous. Surely not everyone is jealous of them or even most people. Just some people.

This is ridiculous.

Some idiots are jealous of George Bush too.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   17:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Old Friend (#19)

In my experience, the only people jealous of Jews are other Jews.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: bluegrass (#11)

From The Magna Carta of 1215:

"If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before that loan be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands, we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond. And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews."

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-01-12   17:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick (#16)

who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.

An analogy for you.

The Jews killing the Palestinians are merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted.......

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lysander_Spooner, Old Friend (#22)

Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)

Did you support the bailout? Because what you posted sounds like a bailout.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass (#24) (Edited)

Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.

Did you support the bailout too?

I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Old Friend (#26)

Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#27)

Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

It is rhetorical. But honestly the part quoted from the Magna Carta sounds like a bailout. You made an agreement to do X but since we don't like Jews or think they are unfair you don't have to pay back your debt. Sounds like the Jews got rippped off. Unless you people should lend money out and the terms be changed.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

That is an honorable position to take.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Old Friend, Lysander_Spooner (#26)

I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks

You're welcome. Thanks to L_S for posting it.

Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters".

"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Old Friend (#28)

Sounds like the Jews got rippped off.

Read it more closely. The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms. Jewish moneylenders had a well-deserved reputation of destroying families to get their pound of flesh.

It's why they were booted from every European country at one time or another.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: bluegrass (#30)

Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters".

"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.

No one knows all history. I know more then most of my fellow citizens.

As for hate speech and politically corrrectness. Hate speech laws are repugnant to our constitution and I don't support any of that nonsense. And I am definately not PC. Im the UNPC.

Another point. You can't use history to judge individuals as a group. It isn't right.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: bluegrass (#24)

Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-01-12   17:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent, christine, Rotara (#30)

Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere"

ping.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   17:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluegrass (#31)

The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms.

Like the bailout. Do you support the bailout? ;)

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#32)

You can't use history to judge individuals as a group.

If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded.

Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Old Friend (#35)

Like the bailout.

Bad analogy. The bailout was bankers looting the country. Those clauses in the Magna Carta were an effort to keep the bankers from looting the country.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lysander_Spooner (#33)

Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.

That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out. It was a dirty business to any Christian of 1215.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: bluegrass (#36)

If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded.

Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be.

We will just have to disagree on that one. The Jews of today have no connection to the Jews of the Magna Carta age. As far as working together.

Dershowtiz and Foxman are assholes of the highest calibar. But not because they are Jewish but because of things they have done.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bluegrass (#38)

That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out.

You don't know that. You can't know that. There are no records of all the loans made almost a thousand years ago.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Old Friend (#1)

People don't hate Jews. Herzel was the one who said those of the Jewish faith should cause others to hate them because it could be used to their benefit.

The founder of modern Zionism

Herzl stated in his diary

“So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt. ”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 68)

The group that is despised or hated are the Zionists, most of which are either atheist, agnostic or are part of paganistic Judaism - Kabbalah, Sanhedrin, Hakhamim, Hasidic, Reform etc. Unfortunately, the Zionists have used Judaism as a tool to achieve their personal and human desires and, as a result, have brought scorn, hatred etc down upon those who are true followers/Orthodox etc of Judasim. Since its modern founding in 48 Israel has constantly had one of the worst human rights records and discrimination in Israel is rampant. Today Christians and others are discriminated against in Israel and even certain members of the Jewish faith like the Sephardim have suffered discrimination and human rights abuses at the hands of the Ashkenazim.

Israel also has a horrible record with respect to how it deals with its so-calld allies like the U.S. Constant spying, trading of American nuclear secrets to the USSR in exchange for more lenient immigration policies for Jews who desire to immigrate to Israel, war crimes like the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, Israel's constant selling of weapons to countries like Communist China even though the U.S. has repeatedly objected to this activity, the massive finanical support of the Bolsheviks by American Jewish bankers during the Russian Revolution and the early formation of the USSR and a host of other acts/issues that would take far too much time to list.

Without a doubt Zionist Ashkenazim are responsible for the hatred and discrimination of all Jews. Until they either change their ways or are prevented from continuing their hateful ways almost all members of Judaism will pay an unfortunate price.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-12   17:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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