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Title: Why Do People Hate The Jews?
Source: simpletoremember.com
URL Source: http://www.simpletoremember.com/vit ... hy_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm
Published: Jan 12, 2009
Author: simpletoremember
Post Date: 2009-01-12 16:40:24 by Old Friend
Keywords: None
Views: 1166
Comments: 96

It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power." 2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people." 3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles." 4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus." 5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.) 6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."

As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.

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#23. To: lodwick (#16)

who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.

An analogy for you.

The Jews killing the Palestinians are merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted.......

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lysander_Spooner, Old Friend (#22)

Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)

Did you support the bailout? Because what you posted sounds like a bailout.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass (#24) (Edited)

Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.

Did you support the bailout too?

I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Old Friend (#26)

Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#27)

Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

It is rhetorical. But honestly the part quoted from the Magna Carta sounds like a bailout. You made an agreement to do X but since we don't like Jews or think they are unfair you don't have to pay back your debt. Sounds like the Jews got rippped off. Unless you people should lend money out and the terms be changed.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.

That is an honorable position to take.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Old Friend, Lysander_Spooner (#26)

I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks

You're welcome. Thanks to L_S for posting it.

Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters".

"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Old Friend (#28)

Sounds like the Jews got rippped off.

Read it more closely. The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms. Jewish moneylenders had a well-deserved reputation of destroying families to get their pound of flesh.

It's why they were booted from every European country at one time or another.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: bluegrass (#30)

Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters".

"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.

No one knows all history. I know more then most of my fellow citizens.

As for hate speech and politically corrrectness. Hate speech laws are repugnant to our constitution and I don't support any of that nonsense. And I am definately not PC. Im the UNPC.

Another point. You can't use history to judge individuals as a group. It isn't right.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: bluegrass (#24)

Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-01-12   17:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent, christine, Rotara (#30)

Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere"

ping.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   17:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluegrass (#31)

The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms.

Like the bailout. Do you support the bailout? ;)

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#32)

You can't use history to judge individuals as a group.

If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded.

Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Old Friend (#35)

Like the bailout.

Bad analogy. The bailout was bankers looting the country. Those clauses in the Magna Carta were an effort to keep the bankers from looting the country.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lysander_Spooner (#33)

Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.

That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out. It was a dirty business to any Christian of 1215.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: bluegrass (#36)

If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded.

Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be.

We will just have to disagree on that one. The Jews of today have no connection to the Jews of the Magna Carta age. As far as working together.

Dershowtiz and Foxman are assholes of the highest calibar. But not because they are Jewish but because of things they have done.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bluegrass (#38)

That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out.

You don't know that. You can't know that. There are no records of all the loans made almost a thousand years ago.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Old Friend (#1)

People don't hate Jews. Herzel was the one who said those of the Jewish faith should cause others to hate them because it could be used to their benefit.

The founder of modern Zionism

Herzl stated in his diary

“So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt. ”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 68)

The group that is despised or hated are the Zionists, most of which are either atheist, agnostic or are part of paganistic Judaism - Kabbalah, Sanhedrin, Hakhamim, Hasidic, Reform etc. Unfortunately, the Zionists have used Judaism as a tool to achieve their personal and human desires and, as a result, have brought scorn, hatred etc down upon those who are true followers/Orthodox etc of Judasim. Since its modern founding in 48 Israel has constantly had one of the worst human rights records and discrimination in Israel is rampant. Today Christians and others are discriminated against in Israel and even certain members of the Jewish faith like the Sephardim have suffered discrimination and human rights abuses at the hands of the Ashkenazim.

Israel also has a horrible record with respect to how it deals with its so-calld allies like the U.S. Constant spying, trading of American nuclear secrets to the USSR in exchange for more lenient immigration policies for Jews who desire to immigrate to Israel, war crimes like the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, Israel's constant selling of weapons to countries like Communist China even though the U.S. has repeatedly objected to this activity, the massive finanical support of the Bolsheviks by American Jewish bankers during the Russian Revolution and the early formation of the USSR and a host of other acts/issues that would take far too much time to list.

Without a doubt Zionist Ashkenazim are responsible for the hatred and discrimination of all Jews. Until they either change their ways or are prevented from continuing their hateful ways almost all members of Judaism will pay an unfortunate price.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-12   17:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Old Friend (#25)

I posted a section from the Magna Carta of 1215.

What in particular sounds like a bailout?

Does my opinion matter when those voting do not listen?

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-01-12   17:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Old Friend (#39)

Dershowitz and Foxman are assholes because of their Jewish supremacism. Or else they're Jewish supremacists because they're assholes.

Either way, they each hold influential positions that would be closed to them were they Muslims or Christians and espousing the same BS.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Old Friend (#40)

You don't know that. You can't know that.

It's called "history". To a Christian in 1215, loaning money out as an occupation was considered on the same level as being a whore. The Church forbade its followers from lending money at interest. Thus, it was generally only Jews that did the moneylending as it's Jewish law that a Jew MUST lend money at interest to a non-Jew.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#41)

should cause others to hate them because it could be used to their benefit.

Your quote doesn't bear that fruit. He apparently said that they could benefit from it but I see no mention that they should "cause" it.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Old Friend (#23)

The Jews killing the Palestinians are merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted.......

Thank you for making the point I tried to make: the murderers and killers in Gaza are the same scribes and pharisees that Christ drove from the temple and railed against in all three years of his ministry here.

Talmud turds.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-01-12   17:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#44)

. Thus, it was generally only Jews that did the moneylending as it's Jewish law that a Jew MUST lend money at interest to a non-Jew.

I think you are almost correct. I could be wrong but I don't think the word MUST was used. But they were surely forbidden to charge interest to fellow Jews and they were able to lend with interest to non jews. Not sure about the "must" part.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Old Friend (#47)

I could be wrong but I don't think the word MUST was used.

The 613 mitzvot from jewfaq.org (run by an Orthodox Jew)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

Treatment of Gentiles

53. To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19) (CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
54. Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20) (CCN49).
55. Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20) (CCN50).
56. Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3) (CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.
57. To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3) (affirmative).
58. To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   17:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#46)

Thank you for making the point I tried to make: the murderers and killers in Gaza are the same scribes and pharisees that Christ drove from the temple and railed against in all three years of his ministry here.

I was going to go into more detail and say for the sake of argument......I didn't take the time to do that though. Anyways assume you are correct for a second. Wouldn't that make them innocent as per your argument saying the Romans were not accountable as they were merely following orders.

That is the point I was trying to make. But I didn't do a good job.

Now as to your statement. I will agree that there are some "pharisees" in the Jewish camp. Does that mean they are all pharisees and murderers? I don't think so.

I will add this too. I am still reflecting on your words and you may have a bit of a point.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Turtle, Old Friend (#13)

Google: Barack Obama First Jewish President

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-12   17:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Old Friend (#45)

Your quote doesn't bear that fruit.

More from Herzel. Here, have an apple.

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel told others in Germany in 1921

“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.

Chaim Weizman, who became the first President of the State of Israel in a speech in Berlin, 1920 said “Germany… has too many Jews”

In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared.

Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.

During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin’s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis:

"The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it."

David Ben-Gurion said in 1938

"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-12   17:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: bluegrass (#48)

Your source is incorrect. Here are the words from the Bible

Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury: 20

Unto a stranger thou MAYEST lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#51)

Ok I read your first paragraph and that makes your "case" much better. But two observations. This guy (I know he is the founder or a founder of zionsim) doesn't speak for everyone. Also maybe this quote is accurate maybe it isn't. I'm not saying you are lying. I'm just saying it would need further investigation by me before I adopted it as a fact. I think you can understand that as none of us should assume that what we read is true but we should find out ourselves if it is true.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   17:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#51)

One more thing. I think you voted for Obama. That caused me to label you in a certain manner. Through your posting (even though we disagree) you have earned some respect in my eyes.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   18:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Old Friend (#52)

You're going to argue with the most famous rabbi in history about lending to non-Jews? ; )

"When an Israelite lends money to a Gentile or to an "indwelling stranger" (a half-convert of foreign blood), he may and should charge him interest; and when he borrows from such a person he should allow him interest. It is the opinion of Maimonides that for Jews to charge Gentiles interest is a positive command of the written law."

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=58&letter=U

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   18:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: bluegrass (#55)

You're going to argue with the most famous rabbi in history about lending to non-Jews? ; )

I go by the Bible not writings of some Jew.

What I quoted clearly says that they may or may not.

If they use another source that is their problem not mine.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   18:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)

welcome, Lysander. ;)

christine  posted on  2009-01-12   18:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Old Friend (#56)

I go by the Bible not writings of some Jew.

Do you know who Maimonides was?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   18:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Old Friend (#53)

I have no problem with researching to see if things are true. The overall issue/problem is that Zionists have virtually destroyed Judaism because of their hateful acts, discrimination and human rights violations. Until people understand that Zionism and Judaism are two separate things, those of the Jewish faith will continue to pay the price for what the Zionists do. A good example here in the U.S. besides the ADL is the terrorist organization JDL.

Perhaps one of the most ignorant comments people, particularly Christians, make is that the Jews killed Jesus. Physically that is true, but this was the work of the Lord. When people play the "well the Jews killed Jesus" card I ask them a couple of very simple questions. "Would you prefer the Lord not send His Son (part of Himself) to clarify much of the law that had been abused and twisted by the Pharisees and Saddcees? Mark 10:2 ... For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept... And think if He had not come, endured the horrible punishment and sacrifice. Would you prefer to spend an eternity other than in Heaven just so you can say "Jews killed Jesus". I don't think that would be a very intelligent wish.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-12   18:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: bluegrass (#58)

Do you know who Maimonides was?

enlighten me.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-12   18:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Old Friend (#60)

Do you know who Maimonides was?

enlighten me

Type "Rambam" into Google.

Find out the obscenities he wrote about Jesus.

In politics there is no murder.

Turtle  posted on  2009-01-12   18:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass, Lysander_Spooner, all (#38)

Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.

That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out. It was a dirty business to any Christian of 1215.

All lending at interest, per Roman Church Doctrine, was regarded as usury and forbidden by scripture. Thus the Roman Church, THE Church at the time, spoke and people listened, and obeyed. Thus no Christian could loan money at interest. The Jews who were often metal workers and Goldsmiths (Thus all the Jewish names with "Gold" in them") and were regarded as trusted repositories for gold. The Goldsmith would issue a receipt for the gold which then often became an item of trade and remain in circulation from hand to hand for a long time - thus creating the first modern Paper Money. The Goldsmiths in turn quickly learned that once deposited the gold would remain on deposit for long periods of time. Next they figured out that they could issue receipts in excess of the actual gold without danger of it all being claimed at once. So, they began issuing receipts in excess of the gold on hand, again learning from experience, knowing that they were unlikely to have to pay it out all at once. So, they would "loan" out receipts, for gold which they did not actually have, at interest and thus fractional reserve banking and fiat currency were born.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-01-12   18:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Old Friend (#60)

Many Jews regard him as the 'second Moses':

Maimonides

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-12   18:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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