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Title: Why Do People Hate The Jews?
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It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.") Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries. Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews: 1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power." 2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people." 3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles." 4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus." 5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.) 6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race." As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions: 1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated. 2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them. 3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society." 4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism. 5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes." 6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another. Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win. Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.
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http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/reason-for-anti-semitism.htm The Reason For Anti-Semitism AntiSemitism The Longest Hatred "Who has made us Jews different from all other people? Who has allowed us to suffer so terribly up until now? It is G-d who has made us as we are, but it will be God, too, who will raise us up again. Who knows it might even be our religion from which the world and all peoples learn good, and for that reason and only that reason do we suffer. We can never become just Netherlanders, or just English or representatives of any country for that matter. We will always remain Jews." - From the diary of Anne Frank, April 11, 1944 Anti-Semitism is unique amongst the hatreds in the world in a combination of four aspects: 1) Longevity -- it's been around a long time 2) Universality -- virtually everywhere in the world 3) Intensity -- it's expressed in a particularly virulent manner 4) Confusion -- there is surprisingly little agreement on why people hate the Jews. Historians offer many "reasons" to explain why people are anti-Semitic: Jews are too powerful or too lazy; too separate or a threat to "racial purity" through assimilation; pacifistic or warmongers; capitalist exploiters or revolutionary communists; the "killers" of Jesus or the progenitors of Jesus; possessors of a Chosen People mentality or an inferiority complex. These reasons have one thing in common -- they have nothing to do with our being Jewish. One might think that we are just the victims of bad luck -- always possessing the needed quality to be hated wherever we are in the world at exactly that time in history. Do you know who disagrees with the historians? Anne Frank. Writes Anne Frank on April 11, 1944 in her diary: "Who knows -- it might even be our religion from which the world and all peoples learn good, and for that reason and that reason alone do we now suffer. We can never become just Netherlanders, or just English, or representatives of any other country for that matter. We will always remain Jews." Anne Frank made a point of stressing that Jews have something of special value to give to the world, and that is precisely what the world has resented, and that is why people have persecuted Jews. Anne Frank identifies anti-Semitism as a hatred of Jewishness, a loathing altogether different from the bigotry or racism that other peoples experience. The Talmud (Tractate Shabbos 69) cites the source of anti-Semitism using a play on words: The Torah - the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards - was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" - sinah. "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah - the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew - emanates from Sinai." At Sinai Jews were told that there is one God, Who makes moral demands on all of humanity. Consequently, at Sinai the Jewish nation became the target for the hatred of those whose strongest drive is to liberate mankind from the shackles of conscience and morality. At Sinai the Jewish nation was appointed to be "a light unto the nations." There are those who embrace Jews and the Jewish faith because of that light; but there are also those who want the world to be a place of spiritual darkness. They object to morality. Those would-be harbingers of darkness attack the Jews as the lightning rod for their hatred. This "call to Sinai" - the message entrusted to and borne by the Jews - ultimately transforms the world. Yet, it is this very message that draws forth the wrath of those who would give their last ounce of strength to resist it. A great many people simply can't cope with the burden of being good. However, when they act in ways that are bad, they can't cope with the resultant feelings of guilt. Try as they may, they can never cut themselves loose from the standards of absolute morality dictated by the Torah. Stuck in this "Catch-22" situation, people turn with their mounting frustrations against the Jews, whom they perceive as personifying humanity's collective conscience. When the Jews entered the theological arena, they showed people all the mistakes they had been making: Pagan gods are nonsense - there is only one God for all of mankind, Who is invisible, infinite and perfect. Infanticide and human sacrifice are unacceptable. Every human being is born with specific rights. No one can live as he pleases, for everyone must surrender his will to a higher Authority. On a certain conscious level, people recognize the Jews' message as truth. Those unwilling to embrace the truth have found that the only way to rid themselves of it is to destroy the messengers - for the message itself is too potent to be dismissed. That is what is so irksome about the Jews, and that is why, for some people, nothing less than total destruction of the Jews will do. If Judaism were just another ideology, people could laugh it off and continue on their merry way. But deep in his soul, every human being recognizes the essential truths of morality - people can't just laugh it off. For the last 2,000 years the Jewish people have gone through enormous amounts of persecution, hatred - ultimately leading to genocide. And through it all, the Jewish people always held onto being Jewish. And the reason why is that they really understood that it was worth it. They understood what the meaning of being Jewish was, and they were willing to pay the price. The pain that is part and parcel of being Jewish is obvious; if people cannot see any meaning to that pain, it is unlikely that they will be willing to stand by their Jewish identity. That is why we find such widespread assimilation today - Jews do not see why they should "lose out" on life and set themselves apart from their host societies. If we can come to understand why Jews are so hated, we can understand who Jews are and, more important, who Jews can be. A powerful effort has been made to remove the Jewish element from anti-Semitism, and in doing so, to ignore the critical message anti-Semitism teaches about the uniqueness and preciousness of the Jew. This alone is a compelling reason for Jews to learn about anti-Semitism and what it means to be a Jew. This article appeared in the Aish HaTorah Shabbat Shalom Fax written by Rabbi Kalman Packouz; it was based on the "Why the Jews?" seminar which is available online at http://www.aish.com/seminars/whythejews/
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http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/hitler-quotes.htm Hitler Quotes from Adolf Hitler "The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy. - Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 234 We are the joyous Hitler youth, We do not need any Christian virtue Our leader is our savior The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone We want to be pagans once again." - Song sung by Hitler youth "They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end." - Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 87 "Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortification of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and independence which only a very few can bear." - Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 222 "The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision." - Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220 "If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it." - Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse, p. 122; from a conversation with Croatian Foreign Minister General Kvaternik, July 21, 1941 "The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time." - Jackel, Hitler's Worldview, p. 52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923 "The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew." - Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 7 "The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." - Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 51 ".. Do you now appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than religion; it is the will to create mankind anew." - Rauschning, Hitler Speaks "The earth continues to go round, whether it's the man who kills the tiger or the tiger who eats the man. The stronger asserts his will, it's the law of nature. The world doesn't change; its laws are eternal." - Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 38-39
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If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time, I'd have to have some real blinders on to think that the problem was with the bars that were throwing me out.
It is the devil. He doesn't want scripture fulfilled. To bad it will anyway. Your analogy is piss poor as this happened over a period of thousands of years for different alleged reasons. Take off your blinders.
If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time, I'd have to have some real blinders on to think that the problem was with the bars that were throwing me out. ping.
The devil created the Zionists. Why do you support the satanic ones?
Yes. The devil. How original. Maybe Jewish groups just don't want people looking too closely at history. Many of those so-called "expulsions" were just countries that became sick of Jewish moneylenders and booted them from polite society. Jews themselves stayed or went depending on whether or not they could make a living. That's called "expulsion" by the philosemites. The Magna Carta of 1215, considered one of the original Anglo-Saxon documents that put us on the road to Liberty, has two specific references to Jews and debt.
Maybe folks just don't like people with paranoid persecution manias?
I think that experience has shown that Jews have been expelled because they are thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies -- in other words, destroyers.
In politics there is no murder.
I think that some people are just jealous of them. Envious. Also judging a person for their actions is honorable. Judging people for behavior of people in their group is evil. Every country has thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies. So why are the Jews singled out?
Are you saying some of these charges are incorrect. Because I am sure examples of all can be found.
Christ was speaking of the Romans, not the Jews, who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.
I used to know a rude, egotistical jerk in high school that thought that everyone was jealous of him.
Good observation Lodwick. I went back and reread it. I have a different take on it though. It seems from the wording that he was asking for forgiveness for both Jews and Romans. The Romans killed Jesus. The Jewish leaders instigated it. You cannot absolve guilt from the ones who carried out the deed.
That is nice. But it has nothing to do with the discussion. To deny that some people are jealous of Jews is disingenuous. Surely not everyone is jealous of them or even most people. Just some people.
This is ridiculous. Some idiots are jealous of George Bush too.
In my experience, the only people jealous of Jews are other Jews.
"If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before that loan be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands, we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond. And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews."
An analogy for you. The Jews killing the Palestinians are merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted.......
Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.
Did you support the bailout? Because what you posted sounds like a bailout.
Did you support the bailout too? I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks
Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.
It is rhetorical. But honestly the part quoted from the Magna Carta sounds like a bailout. You made an agreement to do X but since we don't like Jews or think they are unfair you don't have to pay back your debt. Sounds like the Jews got rippped off. Unless you people should lend money out and the terms be changed.
That is an honorable position to take.
You're welcome. Thanks to L_S for posting it. Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters". "Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.
Read it more closely. The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms. Jewish moneylenders had a well-deserved reputation of destroying families to get their pound of flesh. It's why they were booted from every European country at one time or another.
"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere. No one knows all history. I know more then most of my fellow citizens. As for hate speech and politically corrrectness. Hate speech laws are repugnant to our constitution and I don't support any of that nonsense. And I am definately not PC. Im the UNPC. Another point. You can't use history to judge individuals as a group. It isn't right.
ping.
Like the bailout. Do you support the bailout? ;)
If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded. Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be.
Bad analogy. The bailout was bankers looting the country. Those clauses in the Magna Carta were an effort to keep the bankers from looting the country.
That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out. It was a dirty business to any Christian of 1215.
Alan Dershowtiz and Abe Foxman are the same person to me. They can be blamed for the crimes of Zion as much as any politician in Israel could be. We will just have to disagree on that one. The Jews of today have no connection to the Jews of the Magna Carta age. As far as working together. Dershowtiz and Foxman are assholes of the highest calibar. But not because they are Jewish but because of things they have done.
You don't know that. You can't know that. There are no records of all the loans made almost a thousand years ago.
People don't hate Jews. Herzel was the one who said those of the Jewish faith should cause others to hate them because it could be used to their benefit. The founder of modern Zionism Herzl stated in his diary “So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt. ”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 68) The group that is despised or hated are the Zionists, most of which are either atheist, agnostic or are part of paganistic Judaism - Kabbalah, Sanhedrin, Hakhamim, Hasidic, Reform etc. Unfortunately, the Zionists have used Judaism as a tool to achieve their personal and human desires and, as a result, have brought scorn, hatred etc down upon those who are true followers/Orthodox etc of Judasim. Since its modern founding in 48 Israel has constantly had one of the worst human rights records and discrimination in Israel is rampant. Today Christians and others are discriminated against in Israel and even certain members of the Jewish faith like the Sephardim have suffered discrimination and human rights abuses at the hands of the Ashkenazim. Israel also has a horrible record with respect to how it deals with its so-calld allies like the U.S. Constant spying, trading of American nuclear secrets to the USSR in exchange for more lenient immigration policies for Jews who desire to immigrate to Israel, war crimes like the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, Israel's constant selling of weapons to countries like Communist China even though the U.S. has repeatedly objected to this activity, the massive finanical support of the Bolsheviks by American Jewish bankers during the Russian Revolution and the early formation of the USSR and a host of other acts/issues that would take far too much time to list. Without a doubt Zionist Ashkenazim are responsible for the hatred and discrimination of all Jews. Until they either change their ways or are prevented from continuing their hateful ways almost all members of Judaism will pay an unfortunate price.
I posted a section from the Magna Carta of 1215. What in particular sounds like a bailout? Does my opinion matter when those voting do not listen?
Dershowitz and Foxman are assholes because of their Jewish supremacism. Or else they're Jewish supremacists because they're assholes. Either way, they each hold influential positions that would be closed to them were they Muslims or Christians and espousing the same BS.
It's called "history". To a Christian in 1215, loaning money out as an occupation was considered on the same level as being a whore. The Church forbade its followers from lending money at interest. Thus, it was generally only Jews that did the moneylending as it's Jewish law that a Jew MUST lend money at interest to a non-Jew.
Your quote doesn't bear that fruit. He apparently said that they could benefit from it but I see no mention that they should "cause" it.
Thank you for making the point I tried to make: the murderers and killers in Gaza are the same scribes and pharisees that Christ drove from the temple and railed against in all three years of his ministry here. Talmud turds.
I think you are almost correct. I could be wrong but I don't think the word MUST was used. But they were surely forbidden to charge interest to fellow Jews and they were able to lend with interest to non jews. Not sure about the "must" part.
The 613 mitzvot from jewfaq.org (run by an Orthodox Jew) http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm Treatment of Gentiles 53. To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19) (CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood. I was going to go into more detail and say for the sake of argument......I didn't take the time to do that though. Anyways assume you are correct for a second. Wouldn't that make them innocent as per your argument saying the Romans were not accountable as they were merely following orders. That is the point I was trying to make. But I didn't do a good job. Now as to your statement. I will agree that there are some "pharisees" in the Jewish camp. Does that mean they are all pharisees and murderers? I don't think so. I will add this too. I am still reflecting on your words and you may have a bit of a point.
Google: Barack Obama First Jewish President
More from Herzel. Here, have an apple. “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16) Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel told others in Germany in 1921 “We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“. Chaim Weizman, who became the first President of the State of Israel in a speech in Berlin, 1920 said “Germany… has too many Jews” In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism. During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin’s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis: "The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it." David Ben-Gurion said in 1938 "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."
Your source is incorrect. Here are the words from the Bible Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury: 20 Unto a stranger thou MAYEST lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Ok I read your first paragraph and that makes your "case" much better. But two observations. This guy (I know he is the founder or a founder of zionsim) doesn't speak for everyone. Also maybe this quote is accurate maybe it isn't. I'm not saying you are lying. I'm just saying it would need further investigation by me before I adopted it as a fact. I think you can understand that as none of us should assume that what we read is true but we should find out ourselves if it is true.
One more thing. I think you voted for Obama. That caused me to label you in a certain manner. Through your posting (even though we disagree) you have earned some respect in my eyes.
You're going to argue with the most famous rabbi in history about lending to non-Jews? ; ) "When an Israelite lends money to a Gentile or to an "indwelling stranger" (a half-convert of foreign blood), he may and should charge him interest; and when he borrows from such a person he should allow him interest. It is the opinion of Maimonides that for Jews to charge Gentiles interest is a positive command of the written law." http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=58&letter=U
I go by the Bible not writings of some Jew. What I quoted clearly says that they may or may not. If they use another source that is their problem not mine.
welcome, Lysander. ;)
Do you know who Maimonides was?
I have no problem with researching to see if things are true. The overall issue/problem is that Zionists have virtually destroyed Judaism because of their hateful acts, discrimination and human rights violations. Until people understand that Zionism and Judaism are two separate things, those of the Jewish faith will continue to pay the price for what the Zionists do. A good example here in the U.S. besides the ADL is the terrorist organization JDL. Perhaps one of the most ignorant comments people, particularly Christians, make is that the Jews killed Jesus. Physically that is true, but this was the work of the Lord. When people play the "well the Jews killed Jesus" card I ask them a couple of very simple questions. "Would you prefer the Lord not send His Son (part of Himself) to clarify much of the law that had been abused and twisted by the Pharisees and Saddcees? Mark 10:2 ... For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept... And think if He had not come, endured the horrible punishment and sacrifice. Would you prefer to spend an eternity other than in Heaven just so you can say "Jews killed Jesus". I don't think that would be a very intelligent wish.
enlighten me.
enlighten me Type "Rambam" into Google. Find out the obscenities he wrote about Jesus.
In politics there is no murder.
That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out. It was a dirty business to any Christian of 1215. All lending at interest, per Roman Church Doctrine, was regarded as usury and forbidden by scripture. Thus the Roman Church, THE Church at the time, spoke and people listened, and obeyed. Thus no Christian could loan money at interest. The Jews who were often metal workers and Goldsmiths (Thus all the Jewish names with "Gold" in them") and were regarded as trusted repositories for gold. The Goldsmith would issue a receipt for the gold which then often became an item of trade and remain in circulation from hand to hand for a long time - thus creating the first modern Paper Money. The Goldsmiths in turn quickly learned that once deposited the gold would remain on deposit for long periods of time. Next they figured out that they could issue receipts in excess of the actual gold without danger of it all being claimed at once. So, they began issuing receipts in excess of the gold on hand, again learning from experience, knowing that they were unlikely to have to pay it out all at once. So, they would "loan" out receipts, for gold which they did not actually have, at interest and thus fractional reserve banking and fiat currency were born.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Many Jews regard him as the 'second Moses':
Stoooopid goy....
You said that usury was forbidden by scripture. That may very well have been Roman doctrine. But is it biblical? As in is there a verse that forbids it?
That is why I think his body was hidden upon his death. So that the Jews wouldn't worship his dead body.
I did not vote for President. At one point I commented that because of the constant propaganda spewed forth by the McCain camp as well as the neocon base I was considering voting for him out of spite. But I just couldn't get to the point where I could cut off my nose to spite my face. And here in AZ you could not write in Ron Paul so I just voted for those running for the other offices. Personally I believe America is on its last legs. The neocons began effective use of the Hegelian Dialectic tool in the late 60s and early 70s and unfortunately, over the past 25 or so years they have been able to persuade most of the non-neocons into joining them in their goal to create a division among Americans. I personally believe that Obama was "selected" to become the next president because it introduced another thesis/anti-thesis position that will be used to divide Americans. Divide and conquer has always been the weapon of leaders, politicians and dictators. I have no doubt that more than 95% of our politicians in this country are machevellian communitarians who would sell their mother for more power or wealth.
It's scripturally forbidden for a brother to lend to a brother at interest. No ifs, ands or buts. Christians used to see each other as brethren.
The point is that Maimonides stated it as a command for Jews to lend to non-Jews at interest.
Do you know who Maimonides was? I do! I do! Yes he was a famous Rabbi and Writer of the late Medieval Period - who in his later years converted to Islam. A fact not often mentioned, or known, by Jews who rely on his writings.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Trade offs, trade offs.
This happens quite often.
LOL! Great name, btw.
Don't tell OF.
19 " You shall not charge interest to your brother -- interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest. If he has exacted usury Or taken increase -- Shall he then live? He shall not live! If he has done any of these abominations, He shall surely die; His blood shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:13) He who does not put out his money at usury, Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15:5) I do not normally play "dueling scriptures", but because it is a point of historical interest ...
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Big, actually, a HUGE, AMEN, on this observation.
Those scriptures are kind of damning to the Fed.
"...Unfortunately, however, so enthusiastic is Kraemer on demonstrating the influence of Islam on Maimonides’ life that he often slips into exaggerations and distortions. The most blatant example is the chapter that will almost certainly be the object of wide criticsm by both rabbis and historians, provacatively entitled "Did Maimonides convert to Islam—?" a question that Kraemer unambiguously answers in the affirmative. There is a problem with the way Kraemer arrives at his sensational conclusion. His main source for this calumny is the vindictive accusation of a Muslim visitor to Cairo from Fez, who seemed to have remembered Maimonides as a Muslim when he lived in Morocco. Surprised more than 30 years later to discover that Maimonides had become Egypt’s most distinguished rabbi, he denounced him to the authorities as an apostate. But this account, along with a handful of similar testimonies cited by Kraemer to bolster his claim, proves nothing more than that Maimonides practiced the time-honored medieval Islamic tradition of Taqiyya, or prudent dissimulation, by dressing and behaving like a Muslim publicly, perhaps occasionally presenting himself at a mosque, while remaining an observant Jew during the darkest period of Almohad persecution, which forced Jews to dress in hideous costumes and resulted in thousands of forced apostasies and deaths. There is simply no credible evidence that Maimonides converted, let alone that he was a “practicing Muslim.”...." I find the assertion that "Rambam converted to Islam" highly implausible.
Lots of things are damning to the FED - buncha crooks.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
He converted alright. He just didn't mean it. : )
This is not a complex problem. Jews are an insular group which culturally has, usually by choice, remained separate and aloof from the culture within which they live. As well like some other insular groups, Gypsies come to mind, those not a member of their group are considered lawful prey. So, by dealing false with those around them their own actions separate them from people whom they live with. You cannot prey on someone and then not come up with justifications for that, which you know deep down, which is wrong and done wrongly. So, insanely, the justification becomes "they deserved it", "they're inferior", "its not like they are really people like my group". This in turn increases the separation and insularity and starts the whole cycle over again getting worse and worse with each downward dwindling spiral. As well gaining wealth inspires envy (look at what the King of France and the Pope did to the Knights Templar) and thus makes one a target of others who are small minded and spirited. So, it is a mutual thing each detesting the other for what each has done to the other. Mind you I am not saying this is logical - it is just how people behave. Eventually the accumulated weight of mutual wrongs results in an explosion, an expulsion, or a pogrom.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Now THAT'S more like it!
Thanks for the data. I had wondered about the conversion. Of course it could have been convert or lose his favored position as well and being pragmatic converted for temporal reasons.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Right. The religious/political climate of control was likely beyond our understanding (based on limited info today) and we may never fully understand a "pragmatic decision" for the time period at issue.
Bad analogy. The bailout was bankers looting the country. Remember that the bankers were mostly all Jews.
Because they play us for fools, arguing back and forth about which kike did what?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I apologise for using the 'k' word, I really should have said yids. Funny, history...actual history anyway. The hired-out bullshit tends to be a bit weepy.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Of course not. Just like in our elections today, there are mullets who will jump up and shout approval of whatever the bHO has to say, even if they can't spell 'cat', even if you spot them the 'a and t.' Our country is in deep, deep, shiite. imho.
Maimonides - the proto-crypto.
Even the most blind of hogs, find an acorn now and again...I can take no credit for this, but must give it all up to my grandfather, who was a true Bible scholar, and student. He did study himself to show himself approved, and I love him for all that he helped me learn. Blessings, lodwick.
Yeah but I trust God to do something about it if not in this world then the next.
I would like to see them all as "Gallows Fruit".
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Thank you Christine.
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." ~ Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
Why do the Jews hate the Gentiles? Quotes from the Talmud, Judaism's most holiest book: Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work. Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows. Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men. A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old." Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement." Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone." Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come. Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old). Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old. Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing." Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest. ... There are many more quotes just like those. They are all sick. Those that go by the Talmud, present day "Jews", are indeed sick demented vipers, or as Jesus called them, "children of the devil."
God is always good!
Hitler was a Jew. He fooled a lot of people.
God is always good!
#2. To: Old Friend (#0)
#3. To: All (#1)
#4. To: Old Friend (#1)
#5. To: Old Friend (#1)
#6. To: Old Friend (#1)
#7. To: Old Friend (#0)
Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.
#8. To: bluegrass (#7)
(Edited)
If I was thrown out of 80 bars in the course of time,
#9. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, wudidiz (#7)
Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years.
#10. To: Old Friend (#8)
It is the devil.
#11. To: Old Friend (#8)
It is the devil. He doesn't want scripture fulfilled.
#12. To: Old Friend (#0)
Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.
#13. To: Old Friend (#0)
#14. To: Turtle (#13)
(Edited)
I think that experience has shown that Jews have been expelled because they are thieves, liars, cowards, traitors and spies -- in other words, destroyers.
#15. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
Maybe folks just don't like people with paranoid persecution manias?
#16. To: Old Friend (#0)
Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do."
#17. To: Old Friend (#14)
I think that some people are just jealous of them. Envious.
#18. To: lodwick (#16)
Christ was speaking of the Romans, not the Jews, who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.
#19. To: bluegrass (#17)
I used to know a rude, egotistical jerk in high school that thought that everyone was jealous of him.
#20. To: Old Friend (#19)
To deny that some people are jealous of Jews is disingenuous. Surely not everyone is jealous of them or even most people. Just some people.
#21. To: Old Friend (#19)
#22. To: bluegrass (#11)
From The Magna Carta of 1215:
#23. To: lodwick (#16)
who were merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted Barabbas spared crucifixion.
#24. To: Lysander_Spooner, Old Friend (#22)
#25. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)
#26. To: bluegrass (#24)
(Edited)
Funny how those clauses ended up in there. It sounds like it had been a problem for some time.
#27. To: Old Friend (#26)
#28. To: bluegrass (#27)
Quit being goofy. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.
#29. To: bluegrass (#27)
I'd rather die than take one dime from the state.
#30. To: Old Friend, Lysander_Spooner (#26)
I will give you this though. I didn't know that and it is interesting. Thanks
#31. To: Old Friend (#28)
Sounds like the Jews got rippped off.
#32. To: bluegrass (#30)
Take a hint, OF: You don't appear to be well-informed about what you speak of when it comes to history. Many on this board know their history which is why you think they're just a bunch of "haters".
#33. To: bluegrass (#24)
Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.
#34. To: Original_Intent, christine, Rotara (#30)
Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere"
#35. To: bluegrass (#31)
The lenders are paid, just not on THEIR terms.
#36. To: Old Friend (#32)
You can't use history to judge individuals as a group.
#37. To: Old Friend (#35)
Like the bailout.
#38. To: Lysander_Spooner (#33)
Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.
#39. To: bluegrass (#36)
If they work together as a group, you certainly can. It's like officers of a corporation being held to account for their crimes if they colluded.
#40. To: bluegrass (#38)
That's because Jews were the only ones that loaned money out.
#41. To: Old Friend (#1)
#42. To: Old Friend (#25)
#43. To: Old Friend (#39)
#44. To: Old Friend (#40)
You don't know that. You can't know that.
#45. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#41)
should cause others to hate them because it could be used to their benefit.
#46. To: Old Friend (#23)
The Jews killing the Palestinians are merely carrying out the vote of those who wanted.......
#47. To: bluegrass (#44)
. Thus, it was generally only Jews that did the moneylending as it's Jewish law that a Jew MUST lend money at interest to a non-Jew.
#48. To: Old Friend (#47)
I could be wrong but I don't think the word MUST was used.
54. Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20) (CCN49).
55. Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20) (CCN50).
56. Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3) (CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.
57. To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3) (affirmative).
58. To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).
#49. To: lodwick (#46)
Thank you for making the point I tried to make: the murderers and killers in Gaza are the same scribes and pharisees that Christ drove from the temple and railed against in all three years of his ministry here.
#50. To: Turtle, Old Friend (#13)
#51. To: Old Friend (#45)
Your quote doesn't bear that fruit.
#52. To: bluegrass (#48)
#53. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#51)
#54. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#51)
#55. To: Old Friend (#52)
#56. To: bluegrass (#55)
You're going to argue with the most famous rabbi in history about lending to non-Jews? ; )
#57. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)
#58. To: Old Friend (#56)
I go by the Bible not writings of some Jew.
#59. To: Old Friend (#53)
#60. To: bluegrass (#58)
Do you know who Maimonides was?
#61. To: Old Friend (#60)
Do you know who Maimonides was?
#62. To: bluegrass, Lysander_Spooner, all (#38)
Apparently, the term "Jew" in Middle English, was a reference to bankers, according to the source.
#63. To: Old Friend (#60)
#64. To: Old Friend (#1)
#65. To: Original_Intent (#62)
All lending at interest, per Roman Church Doctrine, was regarded as usury and forbidden by scripture. Thus the Roman Church, THE Church at the time, spoke and people listened, and obeyed.
#66. To: bluegrass (#63)
Many Jews regard him as the 'second Moses':
#67. To: Old Friend (#54)
#68. To: Old Friend, Original_Intent (#65)
You said that usury was forbidden by scripture.
#69. To: Old Friend (#66)
#70. To: bluegrass (#58)
I go by the Bible not writings of some Jew.
#71. To: bluegrass (#11)
The Magna Carta of 1215, considered one of the original Anglo-Saxon documents that put us on the road to Liberty, has two specific references to Jews and debt.
#72. To: Original_Intent, bluegrass (#70)
..A fact not often mentioned, or known, by Jews
#73. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#71)
#74. To: Original_Intent, Old Friend (#70)
in his later years converted to Islam.
#75. To: Old Friend, bluegrass (#65)
25 " If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
26 "If you ever take your neighbor's garment as a pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down.
27 "For that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin. What will he sleep in? And it will be that when he cries to Me, I will hear, for I am gracious. (Exodus 22:25-27)
20 "To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)
#76. To: bluegrass, all (#30)
"Hate speech" and "politically correct" speech were invented and pushed by people that wish to keep the truth from being spoken of in the media, academia and elsewhere.
#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#78. To: Original_Intent, bluegrass. christine, Old Friend (#70)
Yes he was a famous Rabbi and Writer of the late Medieval Period - who in his later years converted to Islam. A fact not often mentioned, or known, by Jews who rely on his writings.
#79. To: farmfriend (#77)
Those scriptures are kind of damning to the Fed.
#80. To: HOUNDDAWG (#78)
#81. To: Old Friend (#0)
Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.
#82. To: bluegrass (#80)
He converted alright. He just didn't mean it. : )
#83. To: HOUNDDAWG (#78)
#84. To: Original_Intent (#83)
Thanks for the data. I had wondered about the conversion. Of course it could have been convert or lose his favored position as well and being pragmatic converted for temporal reasons.
#85. To: bluegrass, OF, all (#37)
Like the bailout.
#86. To: Old Friend (#0)
Why Do People Hate The Jews?
#87. To: All (#86)
#88. To: Old Friend (#49)
I will agree that there are some "pharisees" in the Jewish camp. Does that mean they are all pharisees and murderers? I don't think so.
#89. To: HOUNDDAWG (#82)
#90. To: Old Friend (#49)
I am still reflecting on your words and you may have a bit of a point.
#91. To: Original_Intent (#79)
Lots of things are damning to the FED - buncha crooks.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#92. To: farmfriend (#91)
#93. To: christine (#57)
#94. To: Old Friend (#0)
#95. To: Old Friend (#0)
Why Do People Hate The Jews?
#96. To: Old Friend (#3)
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