[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

You’ve Never Seen THIS Side Of Donald Trump

President Donald Trump Nominates Former Florida Rep. Dr. Dave Weldon as CDC Director

Joe Rogan Tells Josh Brolin His Recent Bell’s Palsy Diagnosis Could Be Linked to mRNA Vaccine

President-elect Donald Trump Nominates Brooke Rollins as Secretary of Agriculture

Trump Taps COVID-Contrarian, Staunch Public Health Critic Makary For FDA

F-35's Cooling Crisis: Design Flaws Fuel $2 Trillion Dilemma For Pentagon

Joe Rogan on Tucker Carlson and Ukraine Aid

Joe Rogan on 62 year-old soldier with one arm, one eye

Jordan Peterson On China's Social Credit Controls

Senator Kennedy Exposes Bad Jusge

Jewish Land Grab

Trump Taps Dr. Marty Makary, Fierce Opponent of COVID Vaccine Mandates, as New FDA Commissioner

Recovering J6 Prisoner James Grant, Tells-All About Bidens J6 Torture Chamber, Needs Immediate Help After Release

AOC: Keeping Men Out Of Womens Bathrooms Is Endangering Women

What Donald Trump Has Said About JFK's Assassination

Horse steals content from Sara Fischer and Sophia Cai and pretends he is the author

Horse steals content from Jonas E. Alexis and claims it as his own.

Trump expected to shake up White House briefing room

Ukrainians have stolen up to half of US aid ex-Polish deputy minister

Gaza doctor raped, tortured to death in Israeli custody, new report reveals

German Lutheran Church Bans AfD Members From Committees, Calls Party 'Anti-Human'

Berlin Teachers Sound Alarm Over Educational Crisis Caused By Multiculturalism

Trump Hosts Secret Global Peace Summit at Mar-a-Lago!

Heat Is Radiating From A Huge Mass Under The Moon

Elon Musk Delivers a Telling Response When Donald Trump Jr. Suggests

FBI recovers funds for victims of scammed banker

Mark Felton: Can Russia Attack Britain?

Notre Dame Apologizes After Telling Hockey Fans Not To Wear Green, Shamrocks, 'Fighting Irish'

Dear Horse, which one of your posts has the Deep State so spun up that's causing 4um to run slow?

Bomb Cyclone Pacific Northwest


Religion
See other Religion Articles

Title: Prayer is worthless, and I can prove it
Source: [None]
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jan 13, 2009
Author: Hagee
Post Date: 2009-01-13 20:40:35 by Hagee
Keywords: None
Views: 734
Comments: 44

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 25.

#21. To: Hagee, ALL (#0)

The very premise of your post is inflammatory trolling, regardless of the subject matter. You don't deserve a response. You're gone TROLL.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-13   23:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: anyone who thinks this is a troll post (#21)

The very premise of your post is inflammatory trolling, regardless of the subject matter.

that's certainly a vaild potential viewpoint to settle upon, but this is also an opportunity to tell a story, some real-world happening in yer life when prayer worked for you ... I realize you don't know me and that opinion may be out of line, but I wanted to offer it anyway ~ peas2U

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-13   23:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#22)

this is also an opportunity to tell a story, some real-world happening in yer life when prayer worked for you

can I? will this get me boozoed?

~ I drove a taxi in Austin, TX back in 1986, used it and the city to explore my belief systems, experiment a lil ... prayer was very real but one particular event can be partially backed up by police records ... if they keep em that far back ..

~ as part of my experiment, I prayed (asked) one night to be led to a stranded motorist, someone broke, I'ld help em out ... it turned out to be a 2, 4 one kinda night ... I did meet a stranded motorist, drove him all the way to Jonestown for free, all the while reminding myself to be more careful with requests ...

~ the real magic occurred on the way back to town though, I ended up in the right place at the right time to rescue a man who had been beaten and left in the ditch with his hands bound, the light on my taxi is the only reason he came out of the ditch to flag me down .... sherrif couldn't understand what the hell I was doing out there that time a night *s

my prayer was answered and so was his ... I was rather impressed, and humbled ... I canna prove all of it, but there is a couple men out there who remember that odd cabby who helped em, their prayers were answered ~ not sure what the cop decided?

"Onward Through The Fog" :0)

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-14   0:16:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 25.

#27. To: All above who have spoken (#25)

Chilluns, chilluns, mind your manners now!

It is very refreshing to find that at least several of you 'get it!'

Where in the 'Word' is it written that prayer results in instant gratification?

Prayers that are expressed humbly and sincerely will indeed be answered; that has been promised. But there are several 'howevers' that must be considered.

While this World is yet, temporarily, in the hands of the 'Ruler of this World' we who believe will experience tribulation and great difficulty. And we must 'endure' to the very end never giving up hope.

The Helper is always with us to provide strength and reassurance until the time is right. Even death will be undone.

The time for the fulfillment of the prophecies is drawing very near.

The Lamb has told us that for our Father all things are possible.

Patience.

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-01-14 02:33:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Amandil (#25)

I used to drive a taxi, too, and it was the strangest job. I got several people who prayed they got a good driver, because they were in a bad situation and had a lot of things to do, and then I showed up.

After a while I began to wonder.

Turtle  posted on  2009-01-14 05:35:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Amandil (#25) (Edited)

great story and what a neat prayer that God would use you to help another. makes me wonder what/who caused you to ask that just then. perhaps your rescuees' guardian angels?

christine  posted on  2009-01-14 18:06:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 25.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]