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Title: Prayer is worthless, and I can prove it
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Published: Jan 13, 2009
Author: Hagee
Post Date: 2009-01-13 20:40:35 by Hagee
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Views: 1276
Comments: 44

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

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#2. To: Hagee (#0)

Jabber on all you want. He explains why some do not have their prayers answered and some do. I don't say that "I believe".... I know. And the doctors who have examined me have said that I am a miracle and that medicine may never be able to explain my blessing. It has been suggested by several Pastors and others that I take the time to write a book and maybe some day I will get off my lazy a$$ and do just that. To put it simply, I have already experienced that which we are only supposed to experience once and any doctor who examines my medical history will tell you it is not possible. I pray He opens your eyes before it is too late.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-13   20:46:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2)

I've noticed that the deeply disturbed and brainwashed people always always try to resort to the most petty personal attacks when someone has the nerve to say something they disagree with. Don't get upset because I correctly pointed out that prayer is useless using irrefutable logic. It's not my fault your mind is so feeble you believe all the fairy tales you were told as a child. But let me ask you something, is a 0.01% success rate on answered prayers (it's probably much, much lower, but I'm being generous) something to be happy with? Have you ever thought that .01% of prayers that actually do come true are things that would have happened anyway, and in whatever happened to you? Is it just possible that since almost no prayers are answers, "god" really doesn't give two shits what you say?

Hagee  posted on  2009-01-13   21:16:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#11. To: Hagee (#7)

Don't get upset because I correctly pointed out that prayer is useless using irrefutable logic.

You did no such thing. Your logic is the same as those that say 19 Arabs did 9/11.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-01-13 21:54:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hagee (#7) (Edited)

Spend a few minutes doing some research. Come back and explain what the probability is of a human being engaging in normal activity of any kind and I mean any activity - if the entire front half of their brain has been destroyed. MRI and CT scans show that the frontal, temporal, occipital and parietal lobes of the brain (both left and right) are destroyed - no longer exist - just mush, water, blood and brain fluid. Also, EEGs indicate no activity from what would be these parts of the brain. Also, research and see what the probability of a person dying and the brain going without oxygen for appx 21 minutes. Person is deceased and no further medical attention is administered. Research this and then come back and describe the condition of a human being with the above, if they could still be alive let alone function.

Here, I will give you a head start.

Frontal Lobe: Planning, speech, reasoning, emotions, judgment, intellect, creative thought, and coordination of movement, sexual urges, problem solving and abstract thinking.

Parietal Lobe: Orientation, perception of stimuli, movement, and orientation.

Temporal Lobe: Memory, hearing, fear, some emotions, visual memories, auditory memories, and speech.

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec16/ch210/ch210a.html

http://www.waiting.com/brainanatomy.html

www.birf.info/home/about/faq-area.html

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-13 22:51:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Hagee (#7)

What a cheap shot argument.

Why don't you leave the nice folks who pray here alone?

They ain't doing you no harm.

Get a life. Go surf Chix with Dix.

randge  posted on  2009-01-13 23:02:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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