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Title: Prayer is worthless, and I can prove it
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Published: Jan 13, 2009
Author: Hagee
Post Date: 2009-01-13 20:40:35 by Hagee
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Views: 1173
Comments: 44

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

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#6. To: Hagee (#0)

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work.

Most peole don't pray correctly.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-01-13   21:12:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend (#6)

Most peole don't pray correctly.

Please enlighten the masses who surround the Book like ants on a cube of sugar.

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#28. To: Hagee, Original_Intent (#9)

Please enlighten the masses who surround the Book like ants on a cube of sugar.

My views on God are quite expansive and quite different than your standard model though strangely enough I still adhere to the Christian Bible. I will say that most people pray for a specific outcome. That is the first wrong. Praying a specific outcome does not "give it over to God", it directs God. This is counter to what the Bible teaches.

People tend to anthropomorphize God. Bad move. God by his very nature would have to exist outside known space time. Outside the possible 11 dimensions and able to manipulate all of the above. God being an all knowing, infinite being would have to take all conceivable ramifications into consideration before working for any specific outcome. Consider the butterfly effect over millennia.

Prayer is nothing more than a memo to the Executive about a problem he needs to attend to. You want to suggest possible solutions, that's fine but in the end it is his decision on how to handle it.

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