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Title: MSNBC Challenge To Rush Limbaugh
Source: Libertysflame.com
URL Source: http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4810
Published: Jan 26, 2009
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2009-01-26 12:35:54 by Old Friend
Keywords: None
Views: 1656
Comments: 68

Rush Limbaugh has been challenged by MSNBC. The fellow they had on said that Rush and Sarah Palin aren't being straight forward with the American people when they challenge Obama on being a socialist. The argument goes like this. Rush Limbaugh has said that he doesn't want Obama to succeed because that would be socialism winning. That as a conservative he isn't for socialism. Rush has asked on his show for people to show him anywhere in the world that socialism has worked. The MSNBC guy says that in fact socialism is everywhere in governments throughout the world. He uses the example of Medicare being socialism, and says that it works. His challenge to Rush Limbaugh is to address his listeners telling them that medicare is socialist and should be eliminated. Do you think Rush willtake up the MSNBC challenge?

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#1. To: Old Friend (#0)

Every single person with a SOCIAL SECURITY (blanket) CARD in their pocket is a CARD CARRYING SOCIALIST.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   12:38:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Every single person with a SOCIAL SECURITY (blanket) CARD in their pocket is a CARD CARRYING SOCIALIST.

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-26   14:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

You are entitled to your (imo) opinion.

The question being is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

The pressure employed doesn't change the act. You may feel like a coerced socialist ... but you're still a socialist.

Further, when we are continually admonished that ignorance of the law is no excuse ... we should investigate the law and set things right.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   14:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The question being is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

If you were at gunpoint and told to say "Christ isn't lord" and you said it then they shot you anyway. Would you still be a christian?

What about if you were held at gunpoint and told that you must confess christ is God and become a christian. If you did that would you be a christian?

It is not as clear cut as a shit sandwich.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-26   15:12:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about if you were held at gunpoint and told that you must confess christ is God and become a christian. If you did that would you be a christian?

It is not as clear cut as a shit sandwich.

If a woman is raped at gun point and becomes pregnant, can she claim that she's not pregnant because she resisted or was coerced ?

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   15:13:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If a woman is raped at gun point and becomes pregnant, can she claim that she's not pregnant because she resisted or was coerced ?

No. But you cannot charge her with complicity in the crime.

Lots of us are victims of socialism. However that does not make us socialists.

Let's not entertain the premise that because we do something at gunpoint that we accede to the gunmnan's mentality.

Next topic.

randge  posted on  2009-01-26   15:23:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's not entertain the premise that because we do something at gunpoint that we accede to the gunmnan's mentality.

VERY well said.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2009-01-26   15:31:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's not entertain the premise that because we do something at gunpoint that we accede to the gunmnan's mentality.

VERY well said.

The hive mind making excuses.

Anyone in this conversation ever had a gun pointed at them by the SS Administration ?

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   15:37:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The hive mind making excuses.

No it's not an excuse, it's reality.

222, this sort of rejection of the system has to start at an early age. You can not slash cut people from their only source of income. If you have a humane way of doing so, let's hear it.

There has to be a will to build a bridge away from it and of course there will be no support of reducing the size of goverment or dependence.. only the ability to survive.

So, you are telling people you must stop helping the beast by dying.

That doesn't work for me.

Not all are on SS, but let's start there.. obama is going to.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2009-01-26   15:41:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

222, this sort of rejection of the system has to start at an early age. You can not slash cut people from their only source of income. If you have a humane way of doing so, let's hear it.

I started exiting the system earlier but was out completely by age 39 and had 2 children to raise. I modified my life and decided I could and would live on less money if I could avoid financing international kiddy murder. My motives were spiritual, I trusted God to help me all the way ... and he has, every step of the way. I admit to having reservations and fear in the beginning. I had to learn stuff that no one should have to learn. In the end it depends upon how motivated you are.

I raised my kids (as a single parent) from the time they were 14 and 8 until they were grown / out of the house, by working for myself. I learned the laws necessary for survival. I had quite a bit of interaction with my son's schools. I wouldn't allow them to do things with my son that they were doing with the other children. They send stuff home for the parent to sign, because most of it is your waiver of rights to allow crap that would otherwise be illegal. Most parent don't even read the stuff, and simply sign it.

I vowed poverty if necessary, and would admit to some inconvenience but not a lot. Again, the trade-off for me was not funding the genocide.

When I was in the system I made over 100K per year. And that was a lot of years ago ... when the dollar was still a quarter ! (Supposed to be funny).

We, all of us, must take the time to become very vocal. Resist at every opportunity. The enemy is within the gates and destroying everything in sight. We may delay the impact but we can't avoid it by remaining silent. We have a chance if we stand up !

The people in Iceland are banging pots and pans 24/7. They have shut down two governments in weeks. We MUST unify to shut down the FED Bank ... without the FED Bank the federal government is really a paper tiger - a house of cards.

If there is a judgment day, God isn't going to listen to a bunch of bullshit about I couldn't have a bank account or a credit card if I didn't take this number.

The Bible says that many will claim on judgment day, we have healed the sick and removed demons from people in Jesus' name, to which Jesus' response will be "depart from me you workers of iniquity for I have NEVER known you".

Edit: I meant to make this point. The people collecting Social Security today aren't guilty of anything, they paid their dues unwittingly, and have a right to their monies. I am more concerned about people paying it today because it goes into the general fund and pays for bombs and guns among other things.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   16:41:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: noone222 (#32)

222, I totally love your story. There is no one size fits all fix, and there is no doubt I know you see that.

But, to exit the system requires some planning and blaming people for funding that which they did not see, war/genocide/self destruction... is a process that requires the truth getting to them and through to them. The media won't do it, the church?, what other forms are there to reach masses of people that MIGHT understand.

Doing what is right is also a subjective argument for some.

We can see what is right, but it's on the other side of the lake. Before we can get there, we have to build a boat.

So, how do we do that?

But as an aside, all of this could be a moot point when the government declares bankruptcy. It all comes to a full stop. Then, perhaps targeted groups will receive 'help'. Others will be left to die.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2009-01-26 16:52:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am more concerned about people paying it today because it goes into the general fund and pays for bombs and guns among other things.

As I recall, it has ALWAYS gone into the general fund. That isn't something that just happened in the last few years.

Social Security benefits are not guaranteed.

They are not guaranteed legally because workers have no contractual or property rights to any benefits whatsoever. In two landmark cases, Flemming v. Nestor and Helvering v. Davis, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings, but simply taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program, no different than, say, farm price supports. Congress and the president may change, reduce, or even eliminate benefits at any time.

Social Security's Sham Guarantee

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-01-26 17:44:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

IMHO only, the best way to sum up your personal choices, is in an old saying I try to live by:

For Evil to succeed, Good Men need do nothing.. And I can't sit back and do nothing either..

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-01-26 18:40:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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