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Title: MSNBC Challenge To Rush Limbaugh
Source: Libertysflame.com
URL Source: http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4810
Published: Jan 26, 2009
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2009-01-26 12:35:54 by Old Friend
Keywords: None
Views: 1233
Comments: 68

Rush Limbaugh has been challenged by MSNBC. The fellow they had on said that Rush and Sarah Palin aren't being straight forward with the American people when they challenge Obama on being a socialist. The argument goes like this. Rush Limbaugh has said that he doesn't want Obama to succeed because that would be socialism winning. That as a conservative he isn't for socialism. Rush has asked on his show for people to show him anywhere in the world that socialism has worked. The MSNBC guy says that in fact socialism is everywhere in governments throughout the world. He uses the example of Medicare being socialism, and says that it works. His challenge to Rush Limbaugh is to address his listeners telling them that medicare is socialist and should be eliminated. Do you think Rush willtake up the MSNBC challenge?

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#1. To: Old Friend (#0)

Every single person with a SOCIAL SECURITY (blanket) CARD in their pocket is a CARD CARRYING SOCIALIST.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   12:38:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Every single person with a SOCIAL SECURITY (blanket) CARD in their pocket is a CARD CARRYING SOCIALIST.

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-26   14:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

You are entitled to your (imo) opinion.

The question being is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

The pressure employed doesn't change the act. You may feel like a coerced socialist ... but you're still a socialist.

Further, when we are continually admonished that ignorance of the law is no excuse ... we should investigate the law and set things right.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   14:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

You are entitled to your (imo) opinion. Is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

No, because it is an involuntary act enforced at gun point.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-01-26   14:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

You are entitled to your (imo) opinion. Is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

No, because it is an involuntary act enforced at gun point.

~ that is my point, this was programmed into us and we are held at gun point, now ifin I was here defending it all and asking for more, then I would consider myself one a them ... quitting the system now would only add one more homeless person to the rolls and another 'person of interest' for the boys with their toys, wouldn't do me or any of you any good at all

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-26   15:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ being born into socialism, programmed with it from birth and then being held within it by the threat of death, or worse, hell on Earth, 'does not' make one a socialist ~ (imo)

You are entitled to your (imo) opinion. Is one a shit-eater if one is forced to eat a shit sandwich at gun point ?

No, because it is an involuntary act enforced at gun point.

~ that is my point, this was programmed into us and we are held at gun point, now ifin I was here defending it all and asking for more, then I would consider myself one a them ... quitting the system now would only add one more homeless person to the rolls and another 'person of interest' for the boys with their toys, wouldn't do me or any of you any good at all

Were Social Security a voluntary association it would be another matter, but as you rightly point out it IS NOT voluntary and a contract has been made with those who have contributed. Neither am I a big fan of "Pyrrhic Victories".

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-01-26   15:12:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but as you rightly point out it IS NOT voluntary and a contract has been made with those who have contributed.

It is voluntary, as are ALL CONTRACTS !

Every effort is made to pursuade us that it's mandatory through the ignorance of employers that have a corporate agreement that THEY are obligated to, and so many other contrivances such as bank accounts and credit cards etc., but all of them are voluntary.

When you admit that you may wind up homeless what you're really saying is that you depend upon them and their fraud to survive.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   15:19:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When you admit that you may wind up homeless what you're really saying is that you depend upon them and their fraud to survive.

~ your fun .... ever been homeless? ever tell a prospective employer "No, I will not sign your w-4 form? tell the drivers license folks to shoove their request for your ssn too? tell a school system "No, my child dose not have an ssn?" hospitals now days will not allow you to take your child home till they are registered with one, they'll call the cops, or child services if you refuse ... yes, that is all very wrong ~ kinda wish some of you would direct your anger at 'them' and not the saps waking up to this hellish reality, doing their level best to live in it ~

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-26   15:35:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ your fun .... ever been homeless? ever tell a prospective employer "No, I will not sign your w-4 form? tell the drivers license folks to shoove their request for your ssn too? tell a school system "No, my child dose not have an ssn?" hospitals now days will not allow you to take your child home till they are registered with one, they'll call the cops, or child services if you refuse ... yes, that is all very wrong ~ kinda wish some of you would direct your anger at 'them' and not the saps waking up to this hellish reality, doing their level best to live in it ~

I have never been homeless, yet. I work without a SSN, and I will never sign a w-2or w-4. I have no driver license. I have no SSN. I never had to tell the school that because I wasn't aware at the time. If I had to do it again I would.

If I were having a child at a hospital these days, I simply wouldn't name it at the hospital. I'd be undecided. No law against not naming the kid at the hospital. No name ... no way to attach a SSN. Most people want the tax deduction, and that's why they stamp their kids with a slave number. (I did it too, and I am sorry).

Finally, one of my best friends has two boys that are hemophiliacs. Their "factor" (clotting factor) would cost her at least $200,000.00 (I think it's actually closer to $500,000.00) per year. She could never obtain it without government assistance. She has no choice, but that doesn't mean she isn't a socialist because she is.

I do have empathy for everyone of us that have been fucked royal by the criminals that have taken over the government. And I would offer that our grand parents and parents have done this to us through their apathy and gullibility. Still, my parents and grand parents are dead. They can't help me undo what they've done. We all need to help each other undo this horseshit.

I'm the first to admit that I'm more stubborn than the next guy. Everyone doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to shake their middle finger at Uncle Sambo.

The one thing they can do is ADMIT THE TRUTH, ALL THE TIME, TO EVERYONE IN THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE ... and that is that WE ARE SOCIALISTS. It has been imposed upon us through the fraud perpetrated upon our parents and grandparents when the government was thought to be honest.

Those days are LONG GONE !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   15:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have never been homeless, yet. I work without a SSN, and I will never sign a w-2or w-4. I have no driver license. I have no SSN. I never had to tell the school that because I wasn't aware at the time. If I had to do it again I would.

I understand your point. We are all a little bit weak and should resist the situation more. I don't know that it makes us socialists or something else. But your point is taken.

When it comes to the time when the mark of the Beast is in effect. Your strict adherance will be necessary.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-26   17:22:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When it comes to the time when the mark of the Beast is in effect. Your strict adherance will be necessary.

This was my primary motivation.

The SSN is the number of a man's name. I've read hundreds of commentaries on it and my conclusion is that it is the mark. I completely understand others that think it's a physical mark yet to come. I hope they're right. Allow me another paragraph.

Today, we are still supposed to live in a free society. Even though we know better or admit that our freedoms have diminished considerably, the political jackals would never come out and say "you're not free, you're a slave".

My position is this: If I haven't got the testicles to say no while I'm alleged to be free and threatened only with jail, what are my chances of holding up under real tyranny and the threat of death ?

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   18:04:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The SSN is the number of a man's name. I've read hundreds of commentaries on it and my conclusion is that it is the mark.

It isn't. It isn't global. The mark says every person on earth. Every tongue. The social security card is limited to the United States. So it can't possibly be the mark of the beast. That doesn't mean it isn't evil though. The bible also warned about merely counting people.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-26   18:06:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It isn't. It isn't global. The mark says every person on earth. Every tongue. The social security card is limited to the United States. So it can't possibly be the mark of the beast. That doesn't mean it isn't evil though. The bible also warned about merely counting people.

Please don't think me just argumentative. Jesus said that he came "only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel". "Only" being the operative word. (Jesus said it, not me.)

If one were of the belief that the ten lost tribes (the House of Israel) were the settlers or descendants of the western European nations such as Norway, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc., it isn't difficult to discover that they ALL HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS and SS Systems just like ours.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-26   18:23:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28

Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Also the Bible says every nation will be represented.

Now back to social security card. How do we receive in in our RIGHT hand or FOREHEAD? Answer we don't. Also it says EVERY KINDRED TONGUE AND NATION will have to receive the mark. So it is global.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-26   22:35:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27

It is not proper to cast the children's (House of Israel) bread to dogs (not House of Israel). Many people/religious organizations try to ignore this scriptural quote due to its politically incorrect nature.

This is one of those rare occasions where Jesus is shown discriminating in favor of the House(hold) of Israel. The Book of Hosea describes the condition of the two sister households of Judah and Israel. Both Houses piss God off and he tells them how he intends to deal with them in this book.

Like the children's bread spoken of in the quoted scripture above, the cure prescribed for the House of Israel's misbehavior would also be applicable. If Jesus came only unto the Household of Israel why would there be a need or requirement for the DOGS to decide whether or not to have the "Mark".

By the way, there are two marks discussed in scripture. One is the Mark of the Beast, the other is the Mark of God.

When the events discussed in Hosea take place, and the lost tribes find themselves (as they are doing today as we speak) the power of God to determine outcomes 2500-3000 years in advance, in spite of man's obstinance will be born out.

Here's an interesting thing to consider. God made a lot of promises to Abraham and his descendants. They are noted on many websites and can be accessed through google pretty easily. Mentioning just a couple of them here will clearly demonstrate that the people called Jews have never fulfilled even one of the promises made to Abraham and his descendants, but another group has fulfilled the promises.

One Promise was that the heirs to the promises would be so numerous as not to be numbered. (Like the stars etc.,) That certainly wouldn't apply to those we call the Jews that are continually reminding the world of their limited numbers and have been counted by every generation.

God promised that Abraham's descendants through Jacob/Israel would become MANY NATIONS. (The Jews can't really establish even one).

Another Promise is that these people would be a blessing to the entire world. Again, modern Jewry are a curse, not a blessing.

One more here for good measure but there are more. God promised Abraham that his descendants would possess the gates of their enemies. (Not accomplished by the Jews).

Now, find the International Quality of Life Index and determine the 12 Highest quality of life countries on earth. There you will find the EVIDENCE to establish who the people are that have accomplished the promises.

These proofs are God's way of instilling confidence in his children to TRUST him completely when his scriptures say "If God be for me, who can be against me".

Christians today are not followers of Christ at all. The scriptures tell us that people will "worship me with their lips only" ... and ... "they prefer a lie to truth" ... which brings me full circle to my original remarks related to the SSN.

We hear a lot of talk about being a Christian Nation. Modern Christianity has been warped by the same people that have warped our Constitutional Republic. That being said, we should ask, what is Social Security ? It is trusting the government to do God's job. We choose the government to look over us in our old age instead of God. The only thing that a human being can offer God is his trust. The 1st Commandment is for us to have no strange gods and not put ANY god before the Creator.

I suppose I've said enough. I try not to get into debates here on religious issues because many are still interested in the pablum (milk) served up at their church by the liars that have led them away from God. Once in awhile the debate sneaks up on me like this one. The Socialist Security Card represents theft from one person for another. God has never authorized theft. Social Security couldn't exist without the "Federal Reserve Fiat Currency System" which violates God's instruction to keep equal weights and measures.

When these discussions get started sometimes I notice someone struggling with the same questions I have had and usually they have been told things by ministers or preachers that they've semi-accepted that are untrue or contrary to scripture. Most of the time it is futile to enter debate on these subjects and wastes everyone's time. I'd prefer to study or do something productive so that's why I try to avoid the debates and why I have bozo'ed Richard. He wants to preach at people, I don't like it. And I don't like it when I find myself doing the same thing. [One last thing is that non-believers and even non- readers of scripture haven't acquired the relationship of one scripture to the next that's necessary to understanding them. I think God does this purposely so that we learn as much as we're willing to invest ourselves in the learning process.

But, to become entangled in debate with another person that really hasn't studied or whose interest is more about being right, proving someone wrong or embarrassing someone is not something I care to do.

(There are exceptions).

Most Christians, in my opinion, do worship God only with their lips. They pretend to believe and show it by living their lives according to convenience (selfishness). The say they believe but their actions prove them liars and rationalizers. If they truly felt that God was in absolute control they wouldn't have any trouble telling Uncle Sambo to shove off and we wouldn't be on the edge of the abyss or the brink of disaster. It took me most of my life to realize this: God is always right and I am usually wrong. ------------------- ----------------------------------------

[Peter asked, "whose laws are we to follow, God's or Man's" ???] Romans 13 notwithstanding.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-27   3:50:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You keep leaving this part out.

Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Even a dog gets scraps.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-27   9:01:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You keep leaving this part out.

Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Even a dog gets scraps.

I didn't see this portion of that scripture as relevant.

The scripture quoted shows someone outside of the House of Israel receiving a blessing or benefit, not being included in an opportunity for punishment. Even though this scripture doesn't actually offer conclusive evidence of a global mark, I think plenty exists that can be taken exactly the way you state.

My first instinct is to say God is the potter and we're the clay. He can do whatever he pleases. My second thought is to find scripture to support any answer I might try to provide.

The mark of the beast wouldn't have any meaning (regarding the eternal perdition spoken of in the Bible) to the swahili's or the hutu's would it ?

It may very well be that the entire global population will be mandated to receive the mark. The institution of it may simply be starting in the Industrialized Nations ???

I've admitted that I have many questions too. I think that all too often we humans try to reduce God's mind to our level of comprehension. The Scriptures tell us that God doesn't think like we do, our wisdom is foolishness.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-27   10:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: noone222 (#66)

It may very well be that the entire global population will be mandated to receive the mark. The institution of it may simply be starting in the Industrialized Nations ???

I've admitted that I have many questions too. I think that all too often we humans try to reduce God's mind to our level of comprehension. The Scriptures tell us that God doesn't think like we do, our wisdom is foolishness.

We all have questions and none of us know it all. But think the text is quite clear when it says "all tongues" "all nations" "all people free and bond"

To me it is quite clear. I take the words for their true meaning.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-27 10:03:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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