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Religion See other Religion Articles Title: Paying Back Caesar’s Things to Caesar Paying Back Caesar’s Things to Caesar “Render to all their dues.”—ROMANS 13:7. ACCORDING to Jesus, there are things we owe to God and things we owe to Caesar, or the State. Jesus said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” In these few words, he confounded his enemies and neatly summed up the balanced attitude we must have in our relationship with God and in our dealings with the State. No wonder that his listeners “began to marvel at him”!—Mark 12:17. 2 Of course, the first concern of Jehovah’s servants is that they pay back God’s things to God. (Psalm 116:12-14) In doing so, however, they do not forget that Jesus said that they must render certain things to Caesar. Their Bible-trained consciences require that they consider prayerfully to what extent they can pay back what Caesar calls for. (Romans 13:7) In modern times, many jurists have recognized that governmental power has limits and that people and governments everywhere are bound by natural law. 3 The apostle Paul referred to this natural law when he wrote about people of the world: “What may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” If they will respond to it, natural law will even move the consciences of these unbelievers. Thus, Paul further said: “Whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them.”—Romans 1:19, 20; 2:14, 15. 4 In the 18th century, the renowned English jurist William Blackstone wrote: “This law of nature [natural law], being co-eval with [the same age as] mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this.” Blackstone went on to speak of “revealed law,” as found in the Bible, and he commented: “Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered [allowed] to contradict these.” This is in harmony with what Jesus said about God and Caesar, as recorded at Mark 12:17. Clearly, there are areas where God limits what Caesar can require of a Christian. The Sanhedrin strayed into just such an area when they commanded the apostles to stop preaching about Jesus. Hence, the apostles correctly responded: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.”—Acts 5:28, 29. “God’s Things” 5 Especially since 1914, when Jehovah God, the Almighty, began ruling as king through Christ’s Messianic Kingdom, have Christians had to be sure not to give God’s things to Caesar. (Revelation 11:15, 17) As never before, God’s law now calls on Christians to be “no part of the world.” (John 17:16) Being dedicated to God, their Life-Giver, they must demonstrate clearly that they no longer belong to themselves. (Psalm 100:2, 3) As Paul wrote, “we belong to Jehovah.” (Romans 14:8) Moreover, at a Christian’s baptism, he is ordained as a minister of God, so that he can say with Paul: “God . . . has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers.”—2 Corinthians 3:5, 6. 6 The apostle Paul also wrote: “I glorify my ministry.” (Romans 11:13) Surely we should do likewise. Whether we share in the ministry full-time or part-time, we keep in mind that Jehovah himself assigned us to our ministry. (2 Corinthians 2:17) Since some may challenge our position, every dedicated, baptized Christian must be ready to furnish clear and positive proof that he truly is a minister of the good news. (1 Peter 3:15) His ministry should also be evidenced in his conduct. As a minister of God, a Christian should advocate and practice clean morals, uphold family unity, be honest, and show respect for law and order. (Romans 12:17, 18; 1 Thessalonians 5:15) A Christian’s relationship with God and his divinely assigned ministry are the most important things in his life. He cannot give these up at the behest of Caesar. Clearly, they are to be counted among “God’s things.” “Caesar’s Things” 7 Jehovah’s Witnesses know that they owe “subjection to the superior authorities,” the governmental rulers. (Romans 13:1) Hence, when Caesar, the State, makes legitimate demands, their Bible-trained consciences allow them to satisfy these demands. For example, true Christians are among the most exemplary taxpayers on earth. In Germany the newspaper Münchner Merkur said of Jehovah’s Witnesses: “They are the most honest and the most punctual tax payers in the Federal Republic.” In Italy the newspaper La Stampa observed: “They [Jehovah’s Witnesses] are the most loyal citizens anyone could wish for: they do not dodge taxes or seek to evade inconvenient laws for their own profit.” Jehovah’s servants do this ‘on account of their consciences.’—Romans 13:5, 6. 8 Are “Caesar’s things” limited to paying taxes? No. Paul listed other things, such as fear and honor. In his Critical and Exegetical Hand-Book to the Gospel of Matthew, German scholar Heinrich Meyer wrote: “By [Caesar’s things] . . . we are not to understand merely the civil tax, but everything to which Caesar was entitled in virtue of his legitimate rule.” Historian E. W. Barnes, in his work The Rise of Christianity, observed that a Christian would pay taxes if he owed them and “likewise accept all other State obligations, provided he was not called upon to render unto Caesar the things that belonged to God.” 9 What things might the State require without encroaching on the things that rightfully belong to God? Some have felt that they could legitimately give Caesar money in the form of taxes but nothing else. They certainly would not feel comfortable giving Caesar anything that might take up time that could be used for theocratic activities. Nevertheless, while it is true that we should ‘love Jehovah our God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength,’ Jehovah does expect us to spend time in things other than our sacred service. (Mark 12:30; Philippians 3:3) For example, a married Christian is counseled to devote time to pleasing his or her marriage mate. Such activities are not bad, but the apostle Paul states that they are “the things of the world” not “the things of the Lord.”—1 Corinthians 7:32-34; compare 1 Timothy 5:8. 10 Further, Christ authorized his followers to “pay back” taxes, and this certainly involves using time that is dedicated to Jehovah—since our entire lives are dedicated in this way. If the average taxation in a country is 33 percent of income (it is higher in some countries), this means that each year the average worker pays to the State Treasury four months’ worth of his earnings. Put another way, at the end of his working life, the average worker will have spent about 15 years earning the tax money that “Caesar” requires. Consider, too, the matter of schooling. In most countries the law requires that parents have their children attend school for a minimum number of years. The number of years of schooling varies from country to country. In most places it is a substantial length of time. True, such schooling is usually beneficial, but it is Caesar who decides what portion of a child’s life must be spent in this way, and Christian parents comply with Caesar’s decision. Compulsory Military Service 11 Another demand made by Caesar in some countries is compulsory military service. In the 20th century, this arrangement has been instituted by most nations in times of war and by some in times of peace as well. In France this obligation was for many years called blood tax, meaning that every young man had to be willing to lay down his life for the State. Is this something that those dedicated to Jehovah can conscientiously render? How did the first-century Christians view this matter? 12 While the earliest Christians endeavored to be good citizens, their faith prevented them from taking the life of another or from sacrificing their own lives for the State. The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “The early church fathers, including Tertullian and Origen, affirmed that Christians were constrained from taking human life, a principle that prevented them from participating in the Roman army.” In his book The Early Church and the World, Professor C. J. Cadoux writes: “Up to the reign of Marcus Aurelius at least [161-180 C.E.], no Christian would become a soldier after his baptism.” 13 Why do members of the churches of Christendom not view things this way today? Because of a radical change that took place in the fourth century. The Catholic work A History of the Christian Councils explains: “Many Christians, . . . under the pagan emperors, had religious scruples with regard to military service, and positively refused to take arms, or else deserted. The Synod [of Arles, held in 314 C.E.], in considering the changes introduced by Constantine, set forth the obligation that Christians have to serve in war, . . . because the Church is at peace (in pace) under a prince friendly to Christians.” As a result of this abandonment of Jesus’ teachings, from that time until now, the clergy of Christendom have encouraged their flocks to serve in the armies of the nations, although some individuals have taken a stand as conscientious objectors. 14 Are Christians today obliged to follow the majority in this matter? No. If a dedicated, baptized Christian lives in a country where exemption from military service is granted to ministers of religion, he may avail himself of this provision, for he is in fact a minister. (2 Timothy 4:5) A number of countries, including the United States and Australia, have granted such exemption even in wartime. And during peacetime, in many lands that maintain compulsory military service, Jehovah’s Witnesses, as ministers of religion, are granted exemption. Thus they can continue helping the people by their public service. 15 What, though, if the Christian lives in a land where exemption is not granted to ministers of religion? Then he will have to make a personal decision following his Bible-trained conscience. (Galatians 6:5) While taking the authority of Caesar into account, he will weigh carefully what he owes to Jehovah. (Psalm 36:9; 116:12-14; Acts 17:28) The Christian will remember that the mark of a true Christian is love for all his fellow believers, even those who live in other lands or those belonging to other tribes. (John 13:34, 35; 1 Peter 2:17) Further, he will not forget the Scriptural principles found in texts such as Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 26:52; Romans 12:18; 14:19; 2 Corinthians 10:4; and Hebrews 12:14. Civilian Service 16 However, there are lands where the State, while not allowing exemption for ministers of religion, nevertheless acknowledges that some individuals may object to military service. Many of these lands make provision for such conscientious individuals not to be forced into military service. In some places a required civilian service, such as useful work in the community, is regarded as nonmilitary national service. Could a dedicated Christian undertake such service? Here again, a dedicated, baptized Christian would have to make his own decision on the basis of his Bible-trained conscience. 17 It seems that compulsory service was practiced in Bible times. One history book states: “In addition to the taxes and dues exacted from the inhabitants of Judea, there was also a corvée [unpaid labor exacted by public authorities]. This was an ancient institution in the East, which the Hellenistic and Roman authorities continued to maintain. . . . The New Testament, too, cites examples of corvée in Judea, showing how widespread it was. In accordance with this custom, the soldiers pressed Simon of Cyrene into carrying Jesus’ cross [torture stake] (Matthew 5:41; 27:32; Mark 15:21; Luke 23:26).” 18 Similarly, citizens in some countries today are required by the State or by local authorities to participate in various forms of community service. Sometimes this is for a specific task, such as digging wells or building roads; sometimes it is on a regular basis, such as weekly participation in cleaning up roads, schools, or hospitals. Where such civilian service is for the good of the community and is not connected with false religion or is not in some other way objectionable to the consciences of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have often complied. (1 Peter 2:13-15) This has usually resulted in an excellent witness and has sometimes silenced those who falsely accuse the Witnesses of being antigovernment.—Compare Matthew 10:18. 19 What, though, if the State requires a Christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration? Here again, Christians must make their own decision based on an informed conscience. “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God.” (Romans 14:10) Christians faced with a requirement of Caesar should prayerfully study the matter and meditate on it. It may also be wise to talk the matter over with mature Christians in the congregation. After this a personal decision must be made.—Proverbs 2:1-5; Philippians 4:5. 20 While engaged in such research, Christians would consider a number of Bible principles. Paul said that we must “be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, . . . be ready for every good work . . . be reasonable, exhibiting all mildness toward all men.” (Titus 3:1, 2) At the same time, Christians would do well to examine the proposed civilian work. If they accept it, will they be able to maintain Christian neutrality? (Micah 4:3, 5; John 17:16) Would it involve them with some false religion? (Revelation 18:4, 20, 21) Would performing it prevent or unreasonably limit them from fulfilling their Christian responsibilities? (Matthew 24:14; Hebrews 10:24, 25) On the other hand, would they be able to continue to make spiritual progress, perhaps even sharing in the full-time ministry while performing the required service?—Hebrews 6:11, 12. 21 What if the Christian’s honest answers to such questions lead him to conclude that the national civilian service is a “good work” that he can perform in obedience to the authorities? That is his decision before Jehovah. Appointed elders and others should fully respect the conscience of the brother and continue to regard him as a Christian in good standing. If, however, a Christian feels that he cannot perform this civilian service, his position should also be respected. He too remains in good standing and should receive loving support.—1 Corinthians 10:29; 2 Corinthians 1:24; 1 Peter 3:16. 22 As Christians we will not cease to render “to him who calls for honor, such honor.” (Romans 13:7) We will respect good order and seek to be peaceful, law-abiding citizens. (Psalm 34:14) We may even pray “concerning kings and all those who are in high station” when these men are called upon to make decisions that affect our Christian life and work. As a result of our paying back Caesar’s things to Caesar, we hope that “we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness.” (1 Timothy 2:1, 2) Above all, we will continue to preach the good news of the Kingdom as mankind’s only hope, conscientiously paying back God’s things to God.
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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)
Nice. Statism and "christianity", huh? Good thing our founders weren't JW. Out tax money is STOLEN before we ever see it. They denied me my chance to render unto caesar! That is UNJUST. I want to be a statist bootlicker but I cannot.
Ahh yes, 'our founders.' They did such a good job..... just look at the mess they created. Absolutely. Good thing they were not Christians, at all. As for that mess, I suggest that both of you listen to the post; YouTube - Gerald Celente Global Economic Meltdown (Video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XgbvHqayTI&videos=GSd0UBPpoG0 Be sure and check out his creditials. Impressive. No wild eyed pariot him! Then, when you are done listening, try the following post I put up a few days ago. Then tell me all about how great America is, and how it will outlast the judgement that it is under. "What Could Possibly Go Wrong?" By the way, should I mention that the enemies of God, those who will not listen to Him, destroy themselves? So when you are done with the two above, try doing some research on cloning and what is happening with some of the animals now being copied and created in labs. Interesting. As Revelation says, Jesus Christ will return because if he did not, not a man would be alive on the earth. Am I afraid of big bombs? Not hardly. That is childs play compared to what man is now working on. Oh, and enjoy, of course.
Our founders weren't responsible, God was. And He did a good job. Perfect, in fact. Either you believe, not just say but believe that God is sovereign, or He's not. Perhaps He is playing "catch up" trying desperately to defeat Satan, that ultimate fly-in-the-ointment? If that is what you believe then Satan is winning handily. It's not even close. Satan is winning and God gets the few crumbs, what's left of His creation. Even Satan has his purpose.
Why would He have to defeat Satan? He can destroy Satan at any time that He wishes, so, obviously, Satan serves another purpose. That purpose is in teaching us that we can not live without guidance from Almighty God. We do not have the right to question His Word, as you do. I find it hard to understand your position on most issues, when the Bible is so clear about it. For instance, on taxes..... WHO CARES!!! : “Stop storing up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal”!—Matt. 6:19, 20. I was in the Kingdom Hall a few weeks ago, and a young woman seated nearby make a comment that showed more wisdom than I have ever read in the 4um: All we are trying to do is get through this world and reach our real life. The 'world' she mentions meaning the great mass of humanity which is under the control of Satan; “We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19)
Book. chapter and verse, please? Good luck finding that. Satans' purpose is to destroy the flesh. 1 Cor 5:5 says: To deliver (5629) such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved (5686) in the day of the Lord Jesus. So, is Paul advocating satanism? Or does he simply state Satans' job? How about Peter? Be sober (5657) , be vigilant (5657) ; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring (5740) lion, walketh about (5719) , seeking (5723) whom he may devour (5632) : Devour what? What does Satan eat? Dust shall you eat. Serpents dont eat dust.. What's our FLESH made of? So, seeing the world as it is, who is winning? What's the score? Using the worlds, and your standards, God is an infinitely bigger loser than the '68 Mets. Here we have the vast majority of His creation being drug down to "hell" to be tortured "forever", or they will suffer a "kinder and gentler" fate and be annihilated forever. Satan has been kicking Gods' butt for who knows how many years. Am I the only one that sees the total stupidity of that??? All that's left for God is crumbs off the table. Poor Poor God, woe is he. Seriously, this is funny stuff! Why worship a loser? You might as well be a satanist and go with a winner! We do not have the right to question His Word, as you do. I dont question His word. I question YOU. And evidently you dont like it. You are not nearly as smart as you think you are. I was in the Kingdom Hall a few weeks ago, and a young woman seated nearby make a comment that showed more wisdom than I have ever read in the 4um: All we are trying to do is get through this world and reach our real life. If she is not one of the "144,000", then she is wasting her time, right? 7 million JW, 144,000 vacancies, someones getting left out in the cold. But maybe if you WORK REAL HARD you stand a good chance of earning your spot... But if they are SO WISE, and we are SO DUMB, why post here? Why cast your "pearls" before us swine?
I am going to make this simple. Apparently, you do not process information. You have made unfounded claims about what the Witnesses preach ever since I started, and, despite what I say, continue doing the same things, ignoring facts. That is why I quit bothering to answer your posts. So, here are a couple of facts. If you wish to ignore them, fine, just do not bother to post to me any longer. Jehovah's Witnesses believe and preach; Man does not have an immortal soul. There is no hell of eternal torment. There is no trinty. God the Father is Almighty God, and His name is Jehovah (or Yahweh if you prefer -- Jehovah's Witnesses use Jehovah because it is the most widely known and accepted English version of His Holy Name.) Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is a Mighty God -- but all of his power comes from the Father, who is greater than he is. Jesus Christ existed long before he came to this earth and was given, by his Father, the name Jesus, which means in the original Hebrew, Jehovah is Salvation. Jesus Christ is the only begotton Son of God as he is the only thing directly created by Jehovah. All other creations in the universe were created by Jesus Christ under the direction of his Father, which is why one of the names for Jesus is the Master Worker. The Holy Spirit is Almighty God's active force by which He accomplishes His Purposes. Heaven, where Almighty God dwells, is for spirits, and not for the vast majority of mankind, who will dwell on this earth after the resurrection. I could continue, by why bother? Right?
Actually I agree with you on some things. You list several. Man does not have an immortal soul. There is no hell of eternal torment. There is no trinty. Etc. But everyones ultimate fate, we dont agree on. You seem to think that annihilation is not as bad as "hell". It's a kinder, gentler fate meted out to those that never heard, much less never responded to the gospel. Never mind that God is in control, no one comes to the son unless the Father drags him (John 6:44) and no one knows the Father except the Son show him (Mt 11:27)
I have never said that, and I have never seen such printed by the Witnesses. In fact, I have posted for you several times exactly what they say, which is that ALL will be resurrected. THEN, they will be taught in the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ as king, before he hands the kingdom back to Jehovah. When that 1,000 year reign is over, Satan will be turned loose from his imprisonment for a short time, and those who do not hold to what they have learned are the ones to be thrown into the lake of fire, along with Satan. The bottom line is that we are promised perfection; that is neccessary for anyone who is to live forever. Without that perfection, such is not possible. Forever being an impossible number for us to imagine today. And those who will not demonstrate a willingness to submit to Jehovah simply do not have what it takes to live forever, so mercy is also a part of this. Actually I agree with you on some things I understand that; but it is the first time you have admitted it. Have you read this post? Do Not Fall Prey to Modern-Day Judaizers! Interesting discusion at the end. You should take a look.
I've told you several times I agree with you on some things. When that 1,000 year reign is over, Satan will be turned loose from his imprisonment for a short time, and those who do not hold to what they have learned are the ones to be thrown into the lake of fire, along with Satan. That is where we disagree. It's the definition and purpose of that "lake of fire". Revelation is symbolism. What does fire symbolize throughout scripture? How can God be "all in all" if most of the "all" is destroyed? Whose kindness leads us to repentance? It has nothing to do with our imagined "free will".
Actually, no, you have not. The few statements that you have made in agreement you cancelled when you throw such things at me; and will such things help the JWs go to heaven? & and here we go with the hellfire again! Such comments lead others to think that I speak without knowledge or say two different things at different times and confuses them. It also indicates that you are afraid of being labeled with the JW beliefs. You just did the same thing in another thread (where elliot talded about me posting so much in one day). You said I don't know as much as I think I do, BUT, you absolutely refused to admit you agree with much of what I say. You thus missed your chance to witness to them about the Truth of the Bible by repeating what you agree with me about. Is that consistent with what you think the Bible is about? When you consistently refuse to build a consensus of what we agree on, and move on from there, you force a revisit to countless issues that should be settled, and, you miss the chance to begin to help others to understand, or me or yourself to gain knowledge. I think you are more intelligent than that, BUT, is your ego that big? Or, is it just your fear of being labled like the JWs? I am putting up a post about the Lake of Fire. Just for you.
I dont care about labels. I've had more than a few "labels" thrown my way, and being called a JW would be one of the kinder less obscene ones. And my ego? I'll leave that for others to judge. Your ego OTOH, you DO seem to think you have all the answers. I have no such illusions about myself. Even Paul said he didn't have all the answers, and I think it's fair to say that NONE of us knows as much or more than Paul did. I am also not going to go back thru old posts to prove I'm right about agreeing with you on some things. You'll just have to take my word for it.
Do you sell used cars?
#49. To: Old Friend (#43)
I tried it once. I _HATED_ it. LOL!
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