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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
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Comments: 460
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#50. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?
Let's see; YOU - needless massacre of innocent creatures. Uh huh. So are you still slapping your mom around and killing puppies to pass the time? Or have you progressed to bigger and better things yet?
There are no innocent creatures. None. Herds have to be thinned out from time to time. I am sorry you do not appreciate this or comprehend why. Animals are not human, treating them as if they are is a mistake.
That's a convenient notion and self-righteous excuse if you plan on killing them.
How can I eat them if I don't kill them first? Eating them alive would be wrong.
Thing is, there are MANY other things to eat. I'm not a vegetarian, YET. But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.
i do too.
That's what I find extremely interesting in terms of the Essenes and their way of life, as it IS in harmony with Nature, and what a truly spiritual person would seek.
Please give us all YOUR definition of "a truly spiritual person" if you would.
One who has forsaken material desires and devoted him or herself to seeking communication with God through various techniques including prayer and meditation, as well as the rejection of any animal flesh for food.
Why would you include that when the Creator made us omnivors?
God didn't. In fact, we don't have the teeth to be natural meat eaters, we only acquired the taste for flesh over time. We were originally herbivores.
Your article is a bunch of bullshit.
Didn't catch this well thought out comment of yours. So you're saying the video is fake and people aren't shooting at wolves from aircraft, and that Sarah Palin doesn't support it?
No. I'm saying the article you linked about man not being omnivors is bullshit.
We have INCISORS for MEAT: P.S. coyotes have been known to get into watermelons but that doesn't mean they're evolving into cows.
Horses have INCISORS, are you saying they are meat eaters?
Horses have INCISORS, are you saying they are meat eaters? I can open a beer bottle with my teeth.
Hmmm. I wonder what sort of scientific name that would be, brewavore?
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they?
Most are true herbivores, and some are opportunistic omnivores. In other words, most only eat plants and nuts, but some eat bugs, snails, etc. when or if they can find them.
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they? Most are true herbivores, and some are opportunistic omnivores. In other words, most only eat plants and nuts, but some eat bugs, snails, etc. when or if they can find them. Fruitarian Evolution: Science Fact or Science Fiction? In contrast to the extensive fossil record evidence of meat in the evolutionary diet, there is virtually no credible scientific evidence of a strict fruitarian or veg*n diet by our prehistoric human (and australopithecine) ancestors. Much much more at the link.
Oh and BTW, that link you posted does NOT dispute any of the physiological evidence that I mentioned, it simply beats down straw men.
#218. To: FormerLurker (#215)
How about a pro-vegetarian site that makes the claim that humans are omnivores? Humans are Omnivores Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore- insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions and similar functions can be served by several forms. Omnivorism The Great Apes Gorillas are more typically vegetarian, with less emphasis on fruit. Several years ago a very elegant study was done on the relationship between body size and diet in primates (and some other mammal groups). The only primates on the list with pure diets were the very small species (which are entirely insectivorous) and the largest (which specialize in vegetarian diet). However, the spectrum of dietary preferences reflect the daily food intake needs of each body size and the relative availability of food resources in a tropical forest. Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates). Again more at the link.
Sure it did. Interaction of evolutionary selection pressures on the human oral system (flowchart) Overview of gut (digestive system) morphology in primates and humans Quantitative analysis of gut morphology in primates and humans On the term "omnivore," and misuse of quotes Here is the main link. A lot to read there.
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#58. To: RickyJ (#50)
Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?
ME - against needless massacre of innocent creatures.
#61. To: FormerLurker (#58)
#63. To: RickyJ (#61)
There are no innocent creatures.
#76. To: FormerLurker (#63)
That's a convenient notion and self-righteous excuse if you plan on killing them.
#89. To: RickyJ (#76)
How can I eat them if I don't kill them first?
#93. To: FormerLurker (#89)
But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.
#117. To: christine (#93)
i do too.
#120. To: FormerLurker (#117)
what a truly spiritual person would seek.
#130. To: Rotara (#120)
Please give us all YOUR definition of "a truly spiritual person" if you would.
#132. To: FormerLurker, Rotara (#130)
as well as the rejection of any animal flesh for food.
#135. To: farmfriend (#132)
Why would you include that when the Creator made us omnivors?
#146. To: FormerLurker (#135)
God didn't. In fact, we don't have the teeth to be natural meat eaters, we only acquired the taste for flesh over time. We were originally herbivores.
#171. To: farmfriend (#146)
Your article is a bunch of bullshit.
#186. To: FormerLurker (#171)
Didn't catch this well thought out comment of yours. So you're saying the video is fake and people aren't shooting at wolves from aircraft, and that Sarah Palin doesn't support it?
#188. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker (#186)
#190. To: X-15 (#188)
We have INCISORS for MEAT
#192. To: FormerLurker, X-15, all (#190)
We have INCISORS for MEAT
#194. To: wudidiz (#192)
I can open a beer bottle with my teeth.
#195. To: FormerLurker (#194)
Hmmm. I wonder what sort of scientific name that would be, brewavore?
#198. To: wudidiz (#195)
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they?
#210. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#198)
Humans have been eating meat since the dawn of the Homo genus. Humans appeared with the advent of a brand-new genus (Homo) ~2.5 million years ago. Humans evolved on the savanna-- a very different environment from the forest home of the great apes. From the very inception of our genus, humans have been eating animal foods. There is overwhelming scientific evidence to support this point. (Some of the evidence is discussed in this and the preceding section; also see Part 1 of the Paleolithic Diet vs. Vegetarianism interview series, available on this site, for additional information and citations.) The diet of some vague prehistoric frugivore that may or may not be an ancestor is irrelevant in light of the status of humans as a new genus with a different diet (i.e., eating more animal foods) and evolving in a different environmental niche.
#215. To: farmfriend (#210)
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Adapted from a talk by John McArdle, Ph.D. Introduction
There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.
Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.
The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.
There are very few frugivores amongst the mammals in general, and primates in particular. The only apes that are predominantly fruit eaters (gibbons and siamangs) are atypical for apes in many behavioral and ecological respects and eat substantial amounts of vegetation. Orangutans are similar, with no observations in the wild of eating meat.
#227. To: FormerLurker (#215)
Oh and BTW, that link you posted does NOT dispute any of the physiological evidence that I mentioned, it simply beats down straw men.
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