I was raised in the Alaskan "bush." This is an old issue.
If wolves are a factual problem to mankind, who cares as to how they are killed. That's not to sanction aircraft in place of a rifle or a trap, relative to "ordinary" hunting and trapping. For one thing, the aircraft accident rate would go through the already sky-high roof, for 'bush' accidents. To do such hunting requires a slow airspeed -add sharp maneuvering - putting an aircraft on top of a stall-spin scenario at too low an altitude, for successful recovery.
Often, herds of thousands of caribou manage to slip into the bush, undetected, for six months, or more. So to blame wolves for over-kill of the herds is often poorly justified. In reality, wolves can kill caribou like delta-force on a rampage, but nature has her magical way of reliably balancing the wildlife populations.
In the background, the State Fish & Game has historically had near gestapo powers to preclude even the 'ordinary' hunting of any wildlife, add fishing. Arial wolfe hunting was once legal, but has historically been one of the worst offences one can commit.
Sarah may be pissing atop a powerful air vent. (Even with her Chutzpah, she can't piss into the wind.)
Often, herds of thousands of caribou manage to slip into the bush, undetected, for six months, or more. So to blame wolves for over-kill of the herds is often poorly justified. In reality, wolves can kill caribou like delta-force on a rampage, but nature has her magical way of reliably balancing the wildlife populations.
Exactly. Nature has done quite well on her own for millions of years, I don't think she needs nor wants Man's help.
Go read your Bible. Add up all the begats and begats. Go back to the original creation and you have your answer. I haven't counted it up but I know its not millions.
Besides if it was millions of years old where are all the bodies?
Which version, the Hebrew or the English? I can't seem to find where in Genesis the exact year was given of Creation, can you find it?
It doesn't matter. The dates are the same. Show me a contradiction in dates if your not just blabbering.
Or just use the good old King James version. God promised his word would be translated into all tongues. Have faith in your creator. He is not a weakling like some seem to think.
You said that earlier. You sound like a broken record player. Anyway Adam is the name of a man. That being so someone probably took his name and used it as the name for mankind. Not that complicated. I'm surprised you didn't figure it out. On second thought no i'm not.
I just defined it. It was the date of creation 0 at creation
Ok, then I say the Earth formed billions of years ago, and life did not all of sudden pop up, it took another billion years or so for sentient creatures to walk the Earth.
In fact, what about all the other worlds being created as we speak? They aren't forming in a day, they are still being formed from gasses. Why doesn't the Bible speak about them, and why THEY aren't forming in a day?
In fact, are you sure you know how long a day is in the eyes of the Creator?
Ok, then I say the Earth formed billions of years ago, and life did not all of sudden pop up, it took another billion years or so for sentient creatures to walk the Earth.
Do you REALLY believe that?
True macro evolution belief is only for die-hard believers who have gone over the edge of reality into the abyss of insanity.
True macro evolution belief is only for die-hard believers who have gone over the edge of reality into the abyss of insanity.
Do you think the Earth is the center of the Universe? Apparently you do, as you believe that all that exists revolves around you and your world.
How small can you think? Creation is an ongoing process, and we can see billions of stars in this galaxy alone, each of which is a sun (in case you didn't know what a star was).
Each of those stars (or suns) may well have their own planetary system, and at least a few of those planets amongst those distant solar systems could have intelligent life on them.
Have you never imagined anything other than what you've been told, or beyond what you were taught to think? If it's not dictated to you by a preacher, must it be a lie or impossible?
You are apparently the sort of person who clings to junk science and superstition, while at the same time throwing stones at those who speak of true science. Were you at the bottom of your class in grade school? Did you ever finish high school?
You are irrational and akin to those who believed the world was supported by elephants traveling around in circles.
You really believe this single little chunk of matter is the center of the Universe.
Before I had access to the Internet I thought people such as you existed in the Middle Ages, but not in the 20th century (and of course the 21st century nowadays). I thought only retards and jungle dwellers were as uneducated and totally clueless on such things.
I've seen many things since I first logged onto the net, but that sort of ignorance still shocks me to this day.
You really believe this single little chunk of matter is the center of the Universe.
That's not what I was commenting on and you know it. You said "creation is an ongoing process", that is what I find so unbelievable. What is it that you think has been created lately without man doing it? Even then man is only using the resources already in existence, no new matter is being created by man. To believe in macro evolution one must believe that in enough time that the computers of today, which are much less complex than humans, could come into existence without anyone ever making them and programs for them that can do meaningful things such as edit an image could happen by pure chance without anyone actually making them. Sorry, but that kind of faith is WAY beyond my level of faith in anything, including God.
To believe in macro evolution one must believe that in enough time that the computers of today, which are much less complex than humans, could come into existence without anyone ever making them and programs for them that can do meaningful things such as edit an image could happen by pure chance without anyone actually making them.
BTW, I never said that God did not create all that exists, I simply said it did not happen the way ancient desert dwellers described it.
Can't you see that Nature IS the process of Creation? Can't you understand that evolution is but a tiny piece of that Creation, and that Creation itself goes well beyond that?
Can't you understand that evolution is but a tiny piece of that Creation, and that Creation itself goes well beyond that?
Let's put it this way. I would not believe in God before I would buy the story of macro evolution. If believing in God required believing in macro evolution then I would be an atheist.
If believing in God required believing in macro evolution then I would be an atheist.
Oh, and why is that?
Macro evolution does not need a God to occur. So why believe in a God when there would be no reason to do so?
My faith in God is not irrational, and is minuscule compared to the faith people who believe in macro evolution have to have in order to believe it. Belief in macro evolution is irrational.
Macro evolution does not need a God to occur. So why believe in a God when there would be no reason to do so?
Wrong. The very fact that DNA is a blueprint for life indicates that an intelligence beyond our understanding created not only the DNA, but the concept of DNA and the mechanisms for it to behave as it does.
That's nothing compared to the nature of matter, energy, time, and space. For it all to behave as it does, and for life to exist, there has to something beyond dumb luck.
OK, if you would have told me you were a troll at the start I could have saved my typing on you. You are taking my words out of context and then implying something I am in no way saying.
OK, if you would have told me you were a troll at the start I could have saved my typing on you. You are taking my words out of context and then implying something I am in no way saying.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-02-04 2:06:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#242. To: RickyJ (#235)
You are taking my words out of context and then implying something I am in no way saying.
Macro evolution does not need a God to occur. So why believe in a God when there would be no reason to do so?
Wrong. The very fact that DNA is a blueprint for life indicates that an intelligence beyond our understanding created not only the DNA, but the concept of DNA and the mechanisms for it to behave as it does.
That's nothing compared to the nature of matter, energy, time, and space. For it all to behave as it does, and for life to exist, there has to something beyond dumb luck.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct. But macro evolution is only a fairy tale that has no evidence to support it whatsoever. If macro evolution were proven true then God would be a liar saying he created all things in six days. If God is a liar, then what difference does it make if he exists or not?
I said my faith in God is not irrational, and it isn't. If believing in God required me to be irrational to do so then I couldn't do it. But your faith in macro evolution and man made global warming is irrational.
>>I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct.
No you are not. God could very well work through any process God chooses, and just because YOU think he can't doesn't make it so.
Yes I am correct.
Macro evolution depends on random chance for life to begin and evolve. If it is random chance alone, then God is not needed for it to occur. If you don't believe me then ask any scientist and they will tell you what I am saying here is correct.
Macro evolution depends on random chance for life to begin and evolve.
I don't think you understand what so-called "macro evolution" means. It implies a large scale change across species rather than a small change within species. In fact, the term isn't widely used anymore, where most scientists see evolution as one whole biological process.
So what I am saying is that those changes that caused evolution to take place could VERY WELL be the act of a Creator, not the random chance that you think the term demands.
So what I am saying is that those changes that caused evolution to take place could VERY WELL be the act of a Creator, not the random chance that you think the term demands.
Hey Jackass. Quit trying to undermine the foundations of the Bible.
Evolution is not compatible with Gods word. Yes jackass it is GODS word.
Evolution implies death and suffering and new species coming out of that. The Bible teaches there was no death before sin. So therefore evolution isn't compatible with Gods word. The Earth and all that was in in was created in 6 days. You would have Adam and Eve sitting on a pile of dead bones and listening to God say that there is no death unless they eat from the tree.
So if you want to have your own little cult religion where you cut and paste from the Bible to your whim of the day and mix and smear it with the godless religion of evilution. Then that is fine do that. But don't try to tell anyone anything about the Bible. Becuase you don't get it.
Hey Jackass. Quit trying to undermine the foundations of the Bible
You don't even understand the first thing about what the true Hebrew text of the Bible says, whether it be right or wrong, so screw off.
Evolution is not compatible with Gods word.
So says Old Friend, who apparently never understood anything beyond 1st grade science.
Evolution implies death and suffering and new species coming out of that.
You are such an idiot it's sort of sad in a way. Evolution is about genetic changes taking place over time causing a new species to develop from an existing species, or for a broad spectrum event to change MANY species at once.
That you can't let go of the mistranslated words of men trying to relate a story that people might grasp thousands of years ago as THE DE FACTO story of the Universe is your problem, not mine.
So if you want to have your own little cult religion where you cut and paste from the Bible
That you refuse to consider what you THINK is true might NOT be true, and refuse to look at the powerful evidence of Jesus being an Essene (Nazarene), where his teachings were drastically different than what YOU think they are, well, that is ALSO your problem...
You have been given the choice and the opportunity, you have made your decision. Good luck with that.