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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
Views: 6211
Comments: 460
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#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)
You believe in millions of years. I find that quite humorous.
As a member of Hunt Fair Chase, A Life Member of GOA, A Life Member of North American Hunting Club.. I am 110% against this type of Hunting.. end of story..
So what are you, one of those "geniuses" who think the Earth and all life on it was created 2000 years ago? Do you think the world is flat too?
Lord luv ya - as long as you're against the slaughter of the Pali's, I'm with you. Just go do some more research on predator and prey...or move to a farm or ranch. Get out of your city box before speaking about something that you know nothing about.
Do you think the world is flat too? A few more years then 2000. Millions is laughable. The world flat. lol. That is what "scientists used to think. If they had only consulted their Bible and read Isiah they would have known better.
Thanks, I'm not a member of all those, but I've hunted a bit in the past just to learn how to do it if need be. I can't see attacking creatures just because they ALSO need to eat, unless there was a very real danger of them killing off vital food supplies for those who truly need it.
Like what, 2090, 3029, 3091? Give me a time frame that YOU think life was around for...
Hunting/killing is for food and self-protection.. after that it becomes a sport.. and I am not a sport hunter..
Go read your Bible. Add up all the begats and begats. Go back to the original creation and you have your answer. I haven't counted it up but I know its not millions. Besides if it was millions of years old where are all the bodies?
I forgot to mention that I've several times unexpectedly walked with wolves in Alaska. (Damned right they scared me!) However, they, like wolverines have no history of attacking humans - the last I knew. I admit that the 'wild' look in their eyes is the epitome of "intimidating." I'm not aware that wolves are immune to rabies, so the cited history is surprising. If you have a pet dog; they are in dire peril. I've never heard of a child being attacked by a wolfe; surprising, as true huskies are famous for such - I know from experience and a lot of luck. But, it's not likely that a child would have the comparable exposure to a wolfe, as they would a pet dog.
I don't know the situation out there. I don't think that just killing the wolves for the fun of it would be right. I think that the local people should make their own decisions. They have first hand knowldege and should decide.
I used to have a dog that was about half wolf. We had to get rid of it because it bit some kid riding by on a bicycle. I liked the dog.
Scientists of all types speak to documented life on Earth in terms of millions of years. Did I get it wrong?
That's the problem here.. this is being done mostly by Out of Stater's, that spend big money, to have the joy of a kill. Most don't even eat the meat nor keep their kill. The last report I got on this issue, was most of the kills, end up dog food.. and that pisses me off to no end.. As that gives Gun Grabbers an in, to use against Hunting and the 2nd Amendment.
Amen. Palin is speaking of self-protection in the AK. And self-protection extends to the native wildlife and the introduced cattle, horses, sheep, goat, etc. that may be there.
ping to above..
I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:
_________________________________________________________________________ And the Wolf is what?
'Sport killing' - no. Protecting your livestock, or yourself, 'Yes."
OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
_________________________________________________________________________ Maybe they can pass a law that if you are out of State and you want to hunt wolves you have to do it with primative weapons. Like knives and home made bows. Or bare hand wolf wrestling would be fun to watch on pay per view.
The last I was in Alaska, a bear couldn't be legally killed, without its charging an exposed human, or breaking into a home. At one point, in my home town, somebody got tired of being chased inside by a local bear; did a star-cut on the top of a 55 gallon drum, bent the 'teeth' inwards, then baited it with salmon. The bear took nearly four hours to bleed to death, trying to get the barrel off its neck. After that, Fish & Game brought in a live-catch bear trap & started hauling the in-town bears off to remote places. In one case, Fish & Game chartered an amphibious plane (Gruman Goose) to cart a tranquilized bear far away. The tranquilizer started wearing off, en route, & the pilot got so scared that he crashed the plane into the open water, between King Salmon & Kodiak Island. The people got out, but the bear drowned. The pilot was considered for indictment for being party to the death of the bear. A true story! "In Alaska, anything can happen - and it usually does."
Yes and No.. as they pay Farmers, for any Proven Wolf Kill of Livestock.. and to my understanding, that is Final Value, not Auction Value..
And the Wolf is what? Native - unless you've something to the contrary. I'm tired of this stupid thread. If you don't know what needs to be killed, just let the cockroaches fill up your home, and wonder what to do.
I use a Compound Bow.. ;-) as for the Wolf Wrestling, I would pay to see that...lol (p.s. my money is on the wolf)
I don't worry about cockroaches, as I keep my house clean.. btw.. they have NOTHING to do with this debate.. it is about a manner of killing/hunting that is immoral.. and the stats, are against a valid argument on behalf of this manner..
Some game is not fit for human consumption, such as bear & wolves. The last I knew Alaska Fish & Game required sport hunting moose & caribou meat to be harvested, often going to charity food providers. That even extended to "road- kill" moose, in particular. Caribou are rarely close to civilization. However, caribou males killed during mating season take on an odor/taste which makes the meat unfit for even dog food. (The details are gross)
And you sat back and watched it. I have seen Gentle Ben. Bears are nice. You should have got out your swiss army knife and helped it out.
I've always been curious about "half-wolf," as Eskimos laugh at those who leave their dogs out for wolf-mating; they consistently discover scraps of dog fur, bones & blood, after the wolf departs. Logic suggests that half-wolf is possible, but I've never known of a believable case, save claims of artificial insemination. I don't envy the vet who has to jerk off a wolf! It could be that the case of timber wolves is different; I can't speak to that history.
This was in Texas when I was a kid. I took their word for it. Looked wolfish.
There are plenty of artifacts a million years older than the Bible, long before Isiah (sic) roamed the earth. January 30th, 2009 @ 4:39am By JULIA ZAPPEI Associated Press Writer KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Malaysian archeologists have unearthed prehistoric stone axes that they said Friday were the world's oldest at about 1.8 million years old. Seven axes were found with other tools at an excavation site in Malaysia's northern Perak state in June, and tests by a Tokyo laboratory indicate they were about 1.83 million years old, said Mokhtar Saidin, director of the Center for Archaeological Research at the University of Science Malaysia. The group released their conclusions Thursday, and other archeologists have not yet examined the results. "It's really the first time we have such evidence (dating back) 1.83 million years," Mokhtar said, adding that the oldest axes previously discovered were 1.6 million years old in Africa. However, other chopping tools, as well as human remains, have been found in Africa that are much older, with some dating back 4 million years, he said. Geochronology Japan Inc., a lab in Tokyo, calculated the age of the tools by analyzing the rock that covered them, Mokhtar said. The result has a margin of error of 610,000 years, he said. Some previous discoveries have suggested there were humans in Southeast Asia up to 1.9 million years ago, but those have been disputed, said Harry Truman Simanjuntak, a researcher at the National Research Center of Archaeology in Jakarta. Simanjuntak cautioned that others still need to investigate claims about the axes' age. The oldest previous evidence of human existence in Malaysia was stone tools dating back about 200,000 years, found at the same excavation site in Perak. The archeologists are trying to find human bone remains in Perak, Mokhtar said, but stressed that it might be unlikely because of decay due to warm, humid climate conditions. The oldest bones found in Perak so far have only been about 10,000 years old. (Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) AP Scraping Prohibition
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
And you sat back and watched it. I wasn't present. There were no admitted witnesses to the death, Kodiak Brown Bear can let out one hell of a scream; thus the time was noted. When in pain or anger, such as in a fight with another bear, the sound is terrifying - even from a distance. I've heard it from a pissed Kodiak, in a live trap - you instantly check to make sure the trap is holding! Such traps are usually a four-foot piece of corrugated culvert, blocked at one end, with a sliding trap-door on the other. The release is an electric DC motor - on a timer. Most often, a Kodiak will return to the same spot, within three days, from 50 miles away - usually staying a greater distance from mankind or being damned quick to run. In the summer, you keep a keen eye open, when around a garbage source, within the limited hours of darkness. The serious threat is the presence of mom (sow) & cubs - at any time. Been there, done that; I believe in the providence of God! (Another true story!)
I was just teasing you a bit. Good story.
Did you read the article or just get your panties in a wad and zip off a quick response? : ) FROM THE ARTICLE: However, other chopping tools, as well as human remains, have been found in Africa that are much older, with some dating back 4 million years, he said. (Did you catch that, Old Friend? 4 MILLION) Geochronology Japan Inc., a lab in Tokyo, calculated the age of the tools by analyzing the rock that covered them, Mokhtar said. The result has a margin of error of 610,000 years, he said. (note that the axes in question could be 1.2 Million years old OR 2.4 Million years old) And, no, not just anyone is saying anything. These are scientists and archeologists who are making the statements and deciding the numbers. These are professionals, not a bunch of bloggers stating opinions.
Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?
God is always good!
My statement stands. You don't even know how they came up with these numbers. You take it on faith. Faith in man. Use your head. There can be no scientific method to determine the age of something allegedly a million years old. They weren't there and there is NO WAY IN HELL to scientifically prove any of these supposed ages in millions of years. You googled an artlcle that you thought would make your point and expect me to take it as a fact when you can't even tell me how they came up with this number. Ridiculous.
That is exactly what is happening.
Which version, the Hebrew or the English? I can't seem to find where in Genesis the exact year was given of Creation, can you find it?
The original issue is the matter of proverbial "Mother Nature," implying "life," in general. As to the age of humans, the jury is still out, in my mind. The end of humans could happen at any time; depraved and un-natural beasts that we are! Hopefully, the beasts of the field and the birds of the air will survive. How does that 70s song go? "In the year 2525 - if man is still alive, we may find..." {Lord, oh dear, I'm actually old enough to remember that one? Lucky, I guess I dunno, some times.}
By "dealing with it", I don't mean massive aerial assault, I mean on a case by case basis as the need arises.
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#16. To: FormerLurker (#0)
#17. To: Old Friend (#15)
You believe in millions of years.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#18. To: FormerLurker (#10)
#19. To: FormerLurker (#17)
So what are you, one of those "geniuses" who think the Earth and all life on it was created 2000 years ago?
#20. To: Refinersfire (#16)
As a member of Hunt Fair Chase, A Life Member of GOA, A Life Member of North American Hunting Club.. I am 110% against this type of Hunting.. end of story..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#21. To: Old Friend (#19)
A few more years then 2000. Millions is laughable.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
#23. To: FormerLurker (#21)
#24. To: FormerLurker (#12)
#25. To: lodwick, Former Lurker (#18)
#26. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)
But, it's not likely that a child would have the comparable exposure to a wolfe, as they would a pet dog.
#27. To: Old Friend (#15)
#28. To: Old Friend (#25)
I don't know the situation out there. I don't think that just killing the wolves for the fun of it would be right. I think that the local people should make their own decisions. They have first hand knowldege and should decide.
#29. To: Refinersfire (#22)
Hunting/killing is for food and self-protection.. after that it becomes a sport.. and I am not a sport hunter..
#30. To: lodwick, Former Lurker (#28)
#31. To: FormerLurker, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#32. To: lodwick (#29)
And self-protection extends to the native wildlife
#33. To: All (#29)
#34. To: FormerLurker, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#35. To: Refinersfire (#28)
Out of Stater's, that spend big money, to have the joy of a kill.
#36. To: Old Friend (#25)
I don't know the situation out there. I don't think that just killing the wolves for the fun of it would be right. I think that the local people should make their own decisions. They have first hand knowldege and should decide.
#37. To: X-15, FormerLurker, All (#34)
OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
#38. To: Refinersfire, all (#32)
And self-protection extends to the native wildlife
#39. To: Old Friend (#35)
Maybe they can pass a law that if you are out of State and you want to hunt wolves you have to do it with primative weapons. Like knives and home made bows. Or bare hand wolf wrestling would be fun to watch on pay per view.
#40. To: lodwick (#38)
If you don't know what needs to be killed, just let the cockroaches fill up your home, and wonder what to do.
#41. To: Refinersfire (#28)
#42. To: SKYDRIFTER (#36)
The bear took nearly four hours to bleed to death, trying to get the barrel off its neck.
#43. To: Old Friend (#26)
I used to have a dog that was about half wolf. We had to get rid of it because it bit some kid riding by on a bicycle. I liked the dog.
#44. To: SKYDRIFTER (#43)
#45. To: Old Friend, FormerLurker (#19)
The world flat. lol. That is what "scientists used to think. If they had only consulted their Bible and read Isiah they would have known better.
#46. To: abraxas (#45)
Malaysian archeologists have unearthed prehistoric stone axes that they said Friday were the world's oldest at about 1.8 million years old.
#47. To: Old Friend (#42)
#48. To: SKYDRIFTER (#47)
#49. To: Old Friend (#46)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#50. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
#51. To: abraxas (#49)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#52. To: FormerLurker (#3)
If you live out in the wilderness, then you should be prepared to deal with the creatures that inhabit that area when necessary,....
#53. To: Old Friend (#23)
Go read your Bible. Add up all the begats and begats. Go back to the original creation and you have your answer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: Old Friend (#46)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#55. To: eskimo (#52)
That is exactly what is happening.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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