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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
Views: 8647
Comments: 460


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"Compassionate Conservatism" at it's best...

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#373. To: X-15 (#371)

those are good points.

i'm learning as i'm reading along here. it is a controversial issue as was stated in the last article you posted and as evidenced by this thread. i didn't realize that moose and caribou were a staple in the diets of native alaskans who might not have food otherwise. at the same time, it's really difficult to think about the suffering of the animals with these horrid kill methods described above not limited to the aerial shootings--the killing of the cubs in their dens, the bloodied knives which cause the wolves to bleed to death, the taut wads piercing their stomachs. just awful.

question. don't laugh. i'm ignorant on this and on hunting period. does or has anyone eaten wolf meat? since they're plentiful, that would seem a solution to this.

christine  posted on  2009-02-04   23:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: christine, X-15 (#373)

Basically, if the wolf lobby gets it's way - there will be no hunting !

Period.

The wolves gobble up all the yummy critters, there's basically no hunting left, the yummy critters die off, wolves are off limits for hunting (protected predator class) and no more hunting is the final result.

X - am I close ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-04   23:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#375. To: All (#374)

And in the world of Obamalamadingdongs, if there's no hunting - there's really no need for guns !

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-04   23:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: X-15 (#362)

Alaskan Group Asks for Permission to Kill Wolf Pups

You just don't get it, do you.. This is just the type of article, that the left can use against Hunting. They can put up some pictures of Wolf Pups and everyone's heart strings are pulled.. and the next thing you know, we have more laws against moral hunting.. But damn anyone, that says what I just did.. they have to be against hunting..

It is you and your type of hunters, that will cost us our rights, to hunt in this country..

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-02-04   23:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: Rotara (#374)

Basically, if the wolf lobby gets it's way - there will be no hunting !

Yes and No.. there are some groups that want a total ban on all Hunting and the Ownership of Guns. There are some groups that are using this type of Hunting, to push for Outlawing Guns, the Hunting part is just the means. Then there groups that want a balance manner of Hunting.

Then on the Hunting side of the issue, there are groups that join the above group, in having a balanced manner in Hunting. And then there are those like X, that seem to have a No Limit of the how and where.

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-02-05   0:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: Refinersfire (#377)

And then there are those like X, that seem to have a No Limit of the how and where.

I don't see 'no limit' coming from X.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-05   0:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: christine (#373)

Not that I know of. I do know of some people that tried to eat coyote meat in an attempt to utilize more than just the hide/skull/claws and they couldn't drown it in enough BBQ sauce to make it palatable, I'm guessing wolf would be no better. Contrast with the fact that you can eat bear and mountain lion/panther steaks and it's supposed to be good eating.

Wildlife management has NEVER led to the extermination of any animal, unregulated hunting has. The FedGov tried to exterminate the coyote in the Lower 48 from the mid-1940's to the late 1950's and couldn't do it. The wolves aren't going anywhere.

Did you know that there are wolves in France? They're "protected", but the villagers still kill them and frustrate the French FedGov.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-02-05   1:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: Rotara (#374)

You got it. It's a backdoor method to eventually ban all hunting by showing cute, cuddly wolf pup pictures along with evil films of wolves being shot. Notice that ONLY WHITE MEN are shown killing wolves, not eskimo's/Indians/blacks. Deduce what you want from that, too.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-02-05   1:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: Rotara, christine, FormerLurker (#378)

I don't see 'no limit' coming from X.

Digest the following dilemna in contrast to the issue of wolves in Alaska. The problem: too many elk. The solution: shoot them. The enviro-weenie complaint: let the wolves do it. The problem with that: $$$$$$. What SHOULD have happened all along: regulated hunting by the citizens.

Source: www.thedenverch annel.com/news/18639944/detail.html

Elk Shooting Begins At Rocky Mountain National Park Up To 100 Elk Will Be 'Culled'

ESTES PARK, Colo. -- Elk roaming throughout Rocky Mountain National Park are being taken down one-by-one as a federal program to thin the herd gets under way.

Wednesday was the first day of the so-called "culling" operation, a controversial program meant to save the park's willow and aspen stands, which have been ravaged by the largest concentrated elk herd in the country.

The team of six to 10 volunteer hunters had trained with national park and Colorado Division of Wildlife rangers.

"The culling team has a primary shooter, a primary observer, a secondary shooter, and a secondary observer," said Larry Rogstad, with the Colorado Division of Wildlife.

Sharpshooters spotted the first herd shortly after gathering in the shadow of Longs Peak Wednesday morning, but they quickly scrapped the target because the rocky hillside didn't offer a safe shot.

"This is a heavily visited area -- Rocky Mountain National Park. And we want to ensure there is an immediate backstop behind every animal before we shoot," said Ben Bobowski, with Rocky Mountain National Park.

Soon after, a female elk was spotted in Upper Beaver Meadows and immediately taken down.

"The animal separated itself from the herd and was down in a matter of seconds," Bobowski said.

After 11 years of research, feedback and planning, the National Park Service decided to go with the culling program, with the intent that trained volunteer hunters would shoot only one or two female elk a day.

"Out of respect for the animal and the integrity of the ecosystem, it's important to do this right now," Bobowski said.

The National Park Service has been criticized for culling because there were other options. The idea of fertility control is still being researched but the DOW said reintroducing wolves to the park would not work.

"To intensely manage a pack of wolves would take an exorbitant amount of resources," Rogstad said.

Fences that encompass 61 acres have been erected in three areas to protect vegetation but fencing the entire park was impractical. The vegetation serves as food for other animals such as beaver, badgers, birds and butterflies.

The elk cannot be relocated because of chronic wasting disease.

"Moving an animal with a potential disease is certainly not a good idea," Rogstad said.

After each elk is shot, it will be tested for chronic wasting disease and then its carcass will be given away to winners of a lottery. Rogstad said 5,400 people applied to receive the meat. Selected winners will get all the meat from one carcass at no cost. The individual who gets the carcass will not get the head of the animal, which will be kept for research.

Kyle Patterson, spokeswoman for RMNP, said the number of elk killed in the culling operation pales in comparison to the number of elk legally hunted in Colorado, outside the park. In 2007, 49,000 elk were killed in the state and in 2006, 57,000 elk were killed by hunters. Patterson said a total of 1,174 of those killed in 2006 and 2007 combined were in Game Unit 20, which sits right outside RMNP.

Public hunting in the national park was outlawed in 1929 and it remains illegal.

The culling operation will occur every weekday until mid-March, pending good weather. Rocky Mountain National Park hopes to have 100 to 200 elk killed by the end of the season.

The estimated cost of the program will vary year to year, but the annual cost is estimated at $200,000, DOW officials said.

Culling takes place in many areas of the country. The DOW said it is an efficient and humane way to control and reduce herds when herd populations have exceeded the carrying capacity of their habitat.

There are about 600 to 800 elk in the park and 1,000 to 1,300 elk in and around the nearby town of Estes Park.

Rotara/christine: here's the flip side to the "elk problem" in RMNP that should blow your mind when you combine it with EVERYTHING I've flung at FormerLurker to combat his bullshit:

Source: www.thedenverch annel.com/news/18582672/detail.html

Wildlife Group Wants Cease-Fire In Elk Culling

DENVER -- An environmental group is asking federal officials not to go through with plans to use sharpshooters to thin the elk herds in Rocky Mountain National Park.

WildEarth Guardians says in a letter sent Wednesday that the planned culling would violate a long-standing policy against most firearms in national parks.

"National Parks are supposed to be sanctuaries from firearms," said Rob Edward of WildEarth Guardians. "The National Park Service is using members of the public to solve with rifles that which should be the bailiwick of wolves," said Edward.

The Bush administration repealed the firearms ban, but a gun-control group is suing to have it reinstated.

WildEarth Guardians also says park officials didn't fully consider the release of wolves to reduce the herds before it decided on sharpshooters.

Park officials approved a plan to shoot a limited number of elk over 20 years because of overgrazing they say has damaged habitat and threatened other species.

SO, DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE IS AGAINST WOLF HUNTING/MANAGEMENT IN ALASKA (THEY START WITH BEING OUTRAGED OVER AERIAL SHOOTING, BUT IT'S REALLY ALL HUNTING). WILDEARTH GUARDIANS IS AGAINST CULLS/HUNTING OF ELK IN RMNP AND WANTS WOLVES INTRODUCED TO KILL ELK. IT COSTS $200,000 TO CULL ELK WHICH HAVE BEEN OFF- LIMITS TO HUNTING IN RMNP SINCE 1929, A HUGE MISTAKE WHICH IS SELF-EVIDENT. THE WOLF LOBBY CAN GO TO HELL.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-02-05   2:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: X-15, Rotara, christine, (#381)

You have to wonder what the secondary effects of culling are. Didn't work out so well for elephants. Not advocating against it just wondering. Elephants are self aware so that may make a difference.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2009-02-05   2:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: X-15, Refinersfire, Rotara (#277) (Edited)

Fuck you and fuck FormerLurker, I know what kind of cock-sucking bastards you two really are

You certainly have cock on your mind X-15, as you mention it a lot. But no thanks on whatever proposition you seem to be making.

you want to ban ALL hunting and you start with the wolves/polar bears/etc. in increments.

You sound like the rabid pro-abortion freaks who were raving about how if there were a ban against partial-birth abortions, then ALL abortions would become illegal (as if that would be a bad thing).

However, as I've said at least several times here, I have no quarrel with those who hunt for food because they NEED to. My issue is with those who do it for fun.

As far as weapons, I certainly believe people have the RIGHT to own weapons to DEFEND themselves. If they need to use those weapons to hunt for food, then so be it, but to kill for pure enjoyment is depraved.

In regards to the topic of this thread, it is still highly dubious as to whether there is need for human intervention in order for caribou and moose herds to flourish. The numbers you mention in your reports from the State of Alaska make no sense, where it is claimed that each wolf is responsible for the loss of 12 moose or 24 caribou per year. That's saying that each wolf devours an entire moose each month, or two caribou each month. Perhaps a full grown lion would eat that much, but I find the estimate a bit high for a wolf...

Regardless, nature has always balanced the numbers on its own, and doesn't need man's help in controlling those numbers.

Of course there is no mention of what ELSE could be thinning the moose and caribou herds, such as the case of calves not surviving to maturity. Could it be environmental issues, such as aerial spraying (chemtrails), pollution (mercury), or other as of yet unknown reasons?

Has anybody even tried to collar some calves to see what happens to them?

FUCK YOU!!

Again, no thanks. Perhaps you can ask Rotara, he might be able to accommodate your needs...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   6:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: X-15 (#277) (Edited)

cock-sucking

Since you have cock on your mind so much, perhaps this could help you out...

Perhaps you prefer your cock on a stick...

I bet you like the giant cock. You could suck on that for a good long time I think.

Or maybe you like black cocks better...

NZ finds Black Cocks hard to swallow


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   8:58:04 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: abraxas (#361)

You can't prove millions of years. Nothing you said proved shit except that you are a religious person. Your religion is evilution. It is your religion becasue you grasped hold of it because it said no God. Well believe what you want. People are still allowed to be stupid in this country.

Your comment here Nobody with a lick of sense regarding science denies that theory of evolution is scientific.

You are one stupid person. All scientists that practice true science would admit that evolution is foolish.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How did grass evolve?

How did eyes evolve.

Evolution doesn't have any answers to anything. Your religion is a stinking corpse.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   9:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: Refinersfire (#377)

We need to start hunting the anti hunters.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   9:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: Old Friend (#385)

All scientists that practice true science would admit that evolution is foolish.

Name some.

You don't even know what science is apparently, you seem to think it's a religion or something...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   9:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#388. To: abraxas (#367)

One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Peter, iii, 8.

God is outside of time numbnuts. But he created time and our world is governed by it. Damn your slow.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   9:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#389. To: Old Friend (#386)

We need to start hunting the anti hunters.

Perhaps you'd like to say that to my face fucktard. Oh what a christian person you are, now you're ready to start shooting people who disagree with your urge to kill defenseless animals.

You are a disciple of satan if you are anything at all...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   9:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#390. To: Old Friend (#388) (Edited)

But he created time and our world is governed by it. Damn your slow

Hey idiot, how many hours are there in a day on Jupiter, Mars, or other worlds? Did it take him 24 hour days there as well, or did he make those in a different number of hour days?

You are a joke. NOWHERE in the Bible does it mention what a day is in terms of God, and for you to think it does shows you don't even know what the Bible says and doesn't say.

Besides, God doesn't write books, and for men to claim they speak for God is blasphemy.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   9:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: abraxas (#370)

Ricky, I have no difficulty distinguishing faith from science.

You are delusional. You can't distinguish the world right in front of your eyes from make believe. You know nothing of science. What you are calling science is nothing but a retard's faith.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-05   9:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: RickyJ (#391)

You know nothing of science. What you are calling science is nothing but a retard's faith.

Hey Ricky, why don't you show us what you know about science. What does the atomic number of an element represent?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   9:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: FormerLurker (#390)

Hey idiot, how many hours are there in a day on Jupiter, Mars, or other worlds? Did it take him 24 hour days there as well, or did he make those in a different number of hour days?

I don't know why I bother with you sometimes. You need to go back to gradeschool.

God spoke to the people of this planet. Day and night cycles on this planet. 24 hours. Are you stupid or something. Why do you ask such stupid questions?

Tell me what came first the fuck or the child. How to people get here without a fuck happening first? There wasn't even any sperm unless there was a man first. Nowhere to stick it unless there was a woman. A real problem for your evil cult religion that they can't answer. I know they think we came from mud and monkeys. Keep tickling your ear with what you want to hear.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   9:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#394. To: FormerLurker (#389)

Perhaps you'd like to say that to my face fucktard. Oh what a christian person you are, now you're ready to start shooting people who disagree with your urge to kill defenseless animals.

If you want to take peoples food away. You should obviously be hunted. Then people can hunt in peace. Go eat some grass you stupid cow.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   10:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#395. To: Old Friend (#393) (Edited)

God spoke to the people of this planet.

So since it isn't mentioned in the Bible, God couldn't have created the other planets in the solar system, right?

Tell me what came first the fuck or the child.

Well gee whiz dude, I guess nobody ever taught you about the "birds and the bees", eh?

What are you, 8 years old? I'll fill you in on a little secret. It wasn't the child...

A real problem for your evil cult religion that they can't answer. I know they think we came from mud and monkeys.

That you believe in magical thinking is quite obvious. Poof, here's the Earth. Poof, all of a sudden it's teaming with life, and poof, here's a guy called Adam who is the one who banged Eve and made us all, without ever wondering how we could all get here without a large amount of incest going on.

You don't even acknowledge that Adam as originally written means HUMANS, and was NOT a single man as your magical fairytale insists.

You also are ignorant of most 20th century science, and are more than likely ignorant of earlier developments, such as Newtonian physics, astronomy, and any sort of math past elementary arithmetic.

Thankfully, there are more intelligent people on this planet than you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   10:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#396. To: Old Friend (#394)

You should obviously be hunted.

Try it asshole. If my Rottweiler doesn't get you, Mr. Mossberg or Mr. Glock might have something to say to you about it...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   10:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#397. To: Old Friend (#394)

If you want to take peoples food away.

And you are of course a lying prick. I've made it clear that I don't have a quarrel with those who hunt for food out of necessity, I have a problem with douchbags who do it because they ENJOY TO KILL.

Perhaps you should go visit your pals, the Israelis. You could go kill a whole bunch of little Pali kids, that'd turn you on, wouldn't it...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   10:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#398. To: FormerLurker (#395)

Tell me what came first the fuck or the child.

Well gee whiz dude, I guess nobody ever taught you about the "birds and the bees", eh?

Then quit saying we evolved. It is insulting to people with working brains.

It is a huge problem for your gutter religion of ignoring Christ and worshiping the creatures and thinking they came from the spontaneous combustion of mud.

So if evolution is true tell me how people got here before fucking was possible. Come on your cult is depending on you.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   10:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#399. To: FormerLurker (#396)

Dayton Ohio. Email me when you get here.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   10:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#400. To: FormerLurker (#397)

If you want to take peoples food away.

And you are of course a lying prick. I've made it clear that I don't have a quarrel with those who hunt for food out of necessity, I have a problem with douchbags who do it because they ENJOY TO KILL.

You said eating meat was a sin.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   10:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#401. To: Old Friend (#398)

Then quit saying we evolved. It is insulting to people with working brains.

For you to believe in fairytales shows where YOUR brain is at. That you can't understand things that normal adults can indicates that you are developmentally challenged.

Evolution covers the entire chain of events from the first microbes to the first fish in the sea, to the first amphibious creatures, to birds, and finally mammals. That we weren't there to see exactly what happened over billions of years means we can't know exactly how it all happened, but it did happen nonetheless.

That you rely on the words of men living in the desert several thousands of years ago as your ultimate truth and answer to how it all happened shows how stupid you truly are. If all of what they say happened did in fact happen, then we'd be seeing such things today and there would be no doubt as to it's accuracy.

The fact is, the very people who have maintained the scriptures over the thousands of years readily acknowledge that much of what is in the Torah (Old Testament) are simply stories meant to teach a spiritual lesson, and are not necessarily accurate descriptions of what truly happened at the dawn of time.

Add to that thought. The words of men are NOT the words of God. For you to consider those men spokesmen for God Himself shows how little you think of God, and how small your mind is. You apparently are so gullible you'd believe anyone who claims to be speaking for God, if what they were saying agreed with what your notion of God is.

It is a huge problem for your gutter religion of ignoring Christ

It is YOU who ignores the teachings of Jesus and spits on him by using his name in your homicidal arguments.

worshiping the creatures and thinking they came from the spontaneous combustion of mud.

Nobody is talking about WORSHIPPING animals, but YOU are saying they materialized out of thin air. If anything, you haven't read the part of the Bible where it is written that Man comes from dust.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

You obviously don't even know what is written in that Bible you constantly thump on.

So if evolution is true tell me how people got here before fucking was possible. Come on your cult is depending on you.

Did you know that bacteria don't fuck? Tell me why they don't fuck, c'mon, your religion depends upon you...

In all seriousness, animals have fucked since there were animals, and even fish fuck.

That's the part of the Bible you can't seem to understand, in that God created NOT just humans, but ALL living things as male and female.

Even microbobes have facets of both, along with some plants, although many species of plants DO have both male and female.

And you see, science isn't a religion. Religion requires blind faith and unquestioning obedience to that doctrine. Science is the pursuit of knowledge, and is ever changing as new discoveries are made.

For people such as you, that is unacceptable. You NEED to be told why you are here, how everything was made, and have it told to you in a way a child would be able to understand. Complexity is not acceptable, and anything that conflicts with your fairytale version of life and Creation is a lie.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   11:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: FormerLurker (#401)

Evolution covers the entire chain of events from the first microbes to the first fish in the sea, to the first amphibious creatures,

It is a made up fairy tale where frogs turn into people. Talk about a dumb. Anyway it doesn't cover shit. They can't demonstrate it in the lab. Junk science.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#403. To: FormerLurker (#401)

If all of what they say happened did in fact happen, then we'd be seeing such things today and there would be no doubt as to it's accuracy.

Back at you. Show me something that is evolving. You can't can you.

Your evilution religion can't even explain the question you dodged.

What came first the child or the fuck. Explain that one if you can. Oh that's right you already tried and couldn't.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#404. To: FormerLurker (#401)

Nobody is talking about WORSHIPPING animals, but YOU are saying they materialized out of thin air. If anything, you haven't read the part of the Bible where it is written that Man comes from dust.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

They didn't get here spontaneously or evolve. They were created. Duh..

Yeah you worship animals. Wolves and other food creatures.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#405. To: FormerLurker (#401)

Did you know that bacteria don't fuck?

Uh....In case you didn't know. WE AREN'T BACTERIA.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#406. To: Old Friend (#399)

Dayton Ohio. Email me when you get here.

First off, I'm not the one who said I'd hunt a person down, YOU did. In fact, you said you wanted to hunt ME down.

That show's how much of a "christian" you are, and what sort of god you worship, as only an evil person would want to hunt down another human, thus, since you are evil, you must worship an evil god, such as satan.

You USE the Bible as an excuse to do whatever the hell you want, tricking people into thinking you're some sort of "christian" soldier, where in fact you are a murderous bastard who worships satan.

I get a kick out of fuckwits like you, you prove to me how fucked up people can be, not that I needed further proof, but you certainly do so nonetheless.

Now, if you really want to hunt me down, you need to do it on your own. You see, I'm not going to tell you where I live to make your task easier.

BUT, if you do actually locate me, I will rip your fucking throat out if I'm close enough. If not, I have a few tools at my disposal, on the chance you might try to shoot me from a distance.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   11:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#407. To: Old Friend (#400)

You said eating meat was a sin.

Actually, JESUS said that eating animal flesh was a sin. Do you think I'm Jesus?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   11:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#408. To: FormerLurker (#401)

Religion requires blind faith and unquestioning obedience to that doctrine. Science is the pursuit of knowledge, and is ever changing as new discoveries are made.

That was a really dumb statement. Here is why.

First it is not blind faith. It is based on the word. You don't get that though.

Second. If science is the purist of knowledge? Then why is it always changing?

Science is the law of gravity. Things that can be proven. Your gutter cult religion of evilution isn't science. It is a fairy tale for haters of God and his judgements and his righteousness. So you can have a reason not to believe the truth. You believe a lie. And it is kind of funny because it is such a stupid lie that only fools fall for.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#409. To: Old Friend (#402)

It is a made up fairy tale where frogs turn into people.

Shows how much you know. Please provide a link to a scientific source that states what you just said.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   11:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#410. To: FormerLurker (#407)

Actually, JESUS said that eating animal flesh was a sin.

You are a liar. Come on quote it. You can't.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#411. To: Old Friend (#403)

Show me something that is evolving. You can't can you.

Viruses are CONSTANTLY evolving. You are a total idiot, aren't you...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-05   11:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#412. To: FormerLurker (#409)

bacteria turns into X , X turn into Y. Y turns into Z. Z turns into a frog. A frog turns into C. C turns into a person.

It goes something like that.

It is s stupid theory for stupid people.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#413. To: FormerLurker (#411)

Viruses are CONSTANTLY evolving. You are a total idiot, aren't you...

New species asswipe.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-05   11:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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