#83. To: X-15, Christine, Jethro Tull, Formerlurker, All (#31)
I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:
The FAA prohibits what's proposed by Sarah - that caps the issue, by itself.
In Alaskan history, many of the 'seasonal' aircraft crashes are from what's termed the "moose stall." A stupid pilot spots a moose, then circles it, oblivious to the fact that the aircraft is flying too low, down-wind, with a visual speed (groundspeed) far more than the actual airspeed, required to keep the aircraft from stalling. Even with quick reflexes, the aircraft ends up stalling and impacting the ground, before achieving functional flying airspeed. Even with the "stall warning" going off, pilots get so mentally and visually focused on the moose, that they don't hear it - so report a handful of surviving pilots & their passengers.
So, Sarah now wants to invent the "wolf stall." (And McCain wonders what went wrong.)
I just defined it. It was the date of creation 0 at creation
Ok, then I say the Earth formed billions of years ago, and life did not all of sudden pop up, it took another billion years or so for sentient creatures to walk the Earth.
In fact, what about all the other worlds being created as we speak? They aren't forming in a day, they are still being formed from gasses. Why doesn't the Bible speak about them, and why THEY aren't forming in a day?
In fact, are you sure you know how long a day is in the eyes of the Creator?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I do find the words "By their fruits ye shall know them" to be spot on, as only hypocrites would claim to be Christlike yet have no problem with killing innocent creatures.
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Of course you drool over little Pali kids getting WilliePete burns all over their bodies too...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Oh God, you're right. I want to cry - I remember listening to it in a restaurant across from the Army Recruiting Office in Anchorage. That was 40 years ago! Too bad I missed its message, I could have slit my wrists & avoided all this anguish!
If I didn't love you so much, I'd accuse you of cruelty - 40 fuckin' years ago; my God!
Thing is, there are MANY other things to eat. I'm not a vegetarian, YET. But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You have MANY reasons not to, and absolutely ZERO reasons why you should.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.
Are you pro-abortion or pro-life ?
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.
Why are cows more worthy then rodents. For farming you have to kill innocent ants, grasshoppers, crickets, and rats among other creatures. Why must they die for you to eat vegetables. Vegetables are for bugs to eat.
Any aerial thinning of wolf packs is handled by Fish and Game and only when necessary.
I don't believe wholesale slaughter to be necessary or morally acceptable. I think if a rancher or farmer has a problem with wolves, they need to get some attack dogs that will guard their stock, and fire upon the wolves when warned by their dogs.
Although you have to wonder about the wisdom of keeping livestock in a wilderness area teaming with wolves in the first place. Perhaps that's what Darwin meant by "survival of the fittest". I don't think he had helicopter gunships attacking wildlife in mind however...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
What do YOU think. I've always been pro-life, and my posting history will bear that out...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't believe wholesale slaughter to be necessary or morally acceptable.
What about RAID on wasp nests? Or foggers to kill bugs? What about mowing the grass. I noticed sometimes I kill crickets and grasshoppers. Once even got a baby rabbit.
Why are cows more worthy then rodents. For farming you have to kill innocent ants, grasshoppers, crickets, and rats among other creatures. Why must they die for you to eat vegetables. Vegetables are for bugs to eat.
I have a problem killing any innocent creature. I doubt I'd have a problem killing a creature that attacked me however, no matter what species. As far as bugs, I don't kill them unless they BUG me. In regards to farming, there's usually natural alternatives to pesticides, as well as natural alternatives in eliminating vermin and other pests that damage crops.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
In regards to farming, there's usually natural alternatives to pesticides, as well as natural alternatives in eliminating vermin and other pests that damage crops.
What do YOU think. I've always been pro-life, and my posting history will bear that out...
Excellent !
It's difficult to get behind all the "Save the (blanks)" who can't even defend the basic rights of unborn men and women.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
But how pro life are you. Do you support the death penalty for abortionists and the "mothers".
Do you support the death penalty for other crimes?
I don't support the death penalty for the mothers, as they are confused and misguided. I do think there would be some moral justification in seeking the death penalty against those who do the misguiding, and who actually perform the "procedure" except in the very rare case of medical necessity.
As far as other cases of the death penalty, I'd support it in cases where the person is truly guilty of cold blooded murder of innocent life, especially when children are kidnapped from their parents, abused, and murdered.
Then again, perhaps a lifetime of torment would suit them better. Perhaps when I'm a bit more spiritually pure I'd condemn the taking of ANY life whatsoever, but I'm not there yet...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Bugs aren't necessarily harmed by tilling the earth. They can usually either fly away or survive the disturbance.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't believe wholesale slaughter to be necessary or morally acceptable.
LOL! We are talking about thinning not "wholesale slaughter".
Perhaps you could cure your seemingly irrational hysteria concerning this matter by spearheading a project to repopulate wolves in your area. They roamed most of north America only a few hundred years ago.
When we get crossover into outright worship of the Creation (versus the Creator), please ping me. ;-)
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That's what I find extremely interesting in terms of the Essenes and their way of life, as it IS in harmony with Nature, and what a truly spiritual person would seek.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
A similar project was considered in my old stomping grounds.
The adults prevailed. ;-)
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i've never seen charlotte's web, but i could name dozens of shows and movies with animals in which i have cried. i even sobbed when i watched Free Willy. if i had my way, no living creature would suffer or die like in the Garden of Eden.
Please give us all YOUR definition of "a truly spiritual person" if you would.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
if i had my way, no living creature would suffer or die like in the Garden of Eden.
IIRC, man became a meat eater after Adam and Eve's fall from grace. Could be wrong though.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams