IIRC, man became a meat eater after Adam and Eve's fall from grace. Could be wrong though.
No, you have it right. Thing is, that Garden of Eden wasn't necessarily within this realm, nor on this physical world.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
man became a meat eater after Adam and Eve's fall from grace. Could be wrong though.
Think about this. They were naked before the fall. If they hadn't fallen it would always be nice out and the women would always be naked. Damn you Adam.
was it a better world then or were we blissfully ignorant? i know the music was better. :)
I remember it as both - forgive the paradox. WOW, the music was SO great!
"I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in - yeah, yeah; ooh yeah..."
War was dangerous and sex was fun; talk about nostalgia!
From "The Big Chill," to "The Great Chill." Man, like where did the freakin' time go? We need to locate Grampa Gump; he always had the correct answers.
Uh, hey! Quit looking at me like that; I don't have no stinkin' answers!
Please give us all YOUR definition of "a truly spiritual person" if you would.
One who has forsaken material desires and devoted him or herself to seeking communication with God through various techniques including prayer and meditation, as well as the rejection of any animal flesh for food.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Perhaps you could cure your seemingly irrational hysteria concerning this matter by spearheading a project to repopulate wolves in your area. They roamed most of north America only a few hundred years ago.
Wolf populations increased because they had a larger food supply. White man's intruduction of small pox wiped out 90% of the native populations. There is speculation that this is why there were so many buffalo on the pains, their prime preditor had died off.
No, you have it right. Thing is, that Garden of Eden wasn't necessarily within this realm, nor on this physical world.
O K there FL. LOL
Pardon me if I consider your 'spiritual musings' with a grain of salt.
I've read a lot of what you've put forward about 'spirituality' and as much work as I need I can still tell that on such matters you are as lost as a goose in a blizzard.
No offense. ;-)
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Think about this. They were naked before the fall. If they hadn't fallen it would always be nice out and the women would always be naked. Damn you Adam.
And if they hadn't succombed to tempation they wouldn't have known lust.
Yes, God's manifest glory in the Garden and on Adam and Even must have been ... glorious.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
I've read a lot of what you've put forward about 'spirituality' and as much work as I need I can still tell that on such matters you are as lost as a goose in a blizzard.
Yet you believe some dude in the sky snapped his fingers and created the world in a day, and all that exists in seven of those days, correct?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I hunt and kill coyotes: canis lupis vs. canis latrans, one's bigger and one's smaller. There's a reason the wolves were exterminated from the lower 48 states: they're KILLERS of livestock and people.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Yes, God's manifest glory in the Garden and on Adam and Even must have been ... glorious.
If there truly was a single man named Adam (which there wasn't according to the actual Hebrew texts), and there was just one female named Eve, did Cain bang his mom, sisters, and/or daughters to make a bunch of babies? Where'd WE come from then if he didn't?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Yet you believe some dude in the sky snapped his fingers and created the world in a day, and all that exists in seven of those days, correct?
I can tell you this as fact: I've met Jesus and know truth.
It's keeping it that I have to give myself to daily.
You are a blind man barking in the dark just to hear your own voice.
Again, no offense.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
I support killing wolves from the air if wildlife biologists say to thin them out. I'd volunteer to pull the trigger on 1,000 wolves if given the opportunity.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Uh huh. I've met God Himself and he said you are deluded, and to tell you so.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I'd volunteer to pull the trigger on 1,000 wolves if given the opportunity.
Then you are a sick fuck.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
If there truly was a single man named Adam (which there wasn't according to the actual Hebrew texts), and there was just one female named Eve, did Cain bang his mom, sisters, and/or daughters to make a bunch of babies? Where'd WE come from then if he didn't?
When you become born again by the Holy Spirit AND I can know in my heart I'm recommitted to serving the truth with all my heart, soul and strength - then let's have a serious discussion. ;-)
It's pointless until then. You just make it up as you go.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
and it would be a different matter if it were a clean kill every time rather than shooting the poor things in the back causing them to suffer for however long. i realize i'm being idealistic, but it does seem to me that's a particularly horrific method.
Uh huh. I've met God Himself and he said you are deluded, and to tell you so.
Like I said..
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
There's a reason the wolves were exterminated from the lower 48 states: they're KILLERS of livestock and people.
One time years ago I had a dog appear in the middle of the desert who led me to an Indian reservation as night was falling when I was on foot and hopelessly lost with no natural bearings to guide me. I do not doubt animals are highly intelligent, and are more compassionate and caring than most humans.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
and it would be a different matter if it were a clean kill every time rather than shooting the poor things in the back causing them to suffer for however long. i realize i'm being idealistic, but it does seem to me that's a particularly horrific method.
We are certainly on the same page here christine.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
C'mon Rotara, don't cop out, tell us where we came from if there were only one man and one woman. I want to know what YOU think on this...
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
I'm not copping out; I'm sparing myself the waste of time that occurs while engaging you.
Be it "Man Made Global Warming", ecology, "Spirituality", etc.
You are a God mocker, which is your problem. Not mine.
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
You wouldn't know the first thing about the Holy Spirit if it flew on top of your head. BTW, did you know the term Holy Spirit refers to the feminine aspect of God, where God is the unity of both male AND female, and that is why Genesis states "God created MANKIND in THEIR own image, male and female God created them"?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You do realize that if we didn't kill off a bunch of Bambi-moms every year, all deer would suffer as they over-populated, right?
shhhhh !
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
Wolf populations increased because they had a larger food supply.
The same thing happens here from time to time but in some places people depend on the same food supply and these are the areas where some packs are thinned.
I'm still killing coyotes nearly every weekend as long as it's cold weather. I have the FULL support of my local US Forest Service technicians (that's "forest rangers").
People look away when they see an Indian with a wolf-hide draped over their head and it's claws on a necklace around their neck.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Wrong. It's people like you that believe their preacher over their own intelligence and conscience that mock God, as they seek not the Truth, but rely on fairytales to sooth themselves into thinking just because they BELIEVE in something their eternal happiness is guaranteed, and proceed to do whatever they wish since they think they have it all in the bag simply because of that belief.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The same thing happens here from time to time but in some places people depend on the same food supply and these are the areas where some packs are thinned.
Hence leading to an over population of other animals, leading to death by starvation as THEIR food supplies dwindle.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
People look away when they see an Indian with a wolf-hide draped over their head and it's claws on a necklace around their neck.
Beautiful
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
Incidently Rotara, God didn't pen the Bible, MEN did. Those MEN were not always honest, and much of that contained in the Bible has nothing to do with God, but the DESIRES of MEN.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The wildlife conservation organizations listed below represent the interests of millions of sportsmen and women from across America. We appreciate the complexities in delisting the Northern Rocky Mountain distinct population segment of gray wolves under the Endangered Species Act. We submit these comments in response to the Federal Register notice published on October 28, 2008 at 73 Fed. Reg. 63926.
We support delisting this population and offer the following six principles to guide the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and state wildlife agencies.
1. When wolf populations meet scientific viability criteria for recovery they no longer require federal protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). They should be de-listed if recovery plan goals are met and where regulatory mechanisms are in place to adequately manage the species.
2. After the wolf is de-listed, scientifically sound wolf management programs administered by state wildlife agencies should maintain sustainable wolf populations to preclude the need to re-list under the ESA.
3. Reflecting the success of other historic hunter/conservationist-led species recovery programs, wolves should be managed as big game animals in areas designated for wolf occupancy and wolf seasons should be regulated by the states.
4. Where and when hunting is deemed appropriate under state regulations, methods used by hunters must conform to Fair Chase principles.
5. When classified as game animals, wolf populations should be maintained in accordance with the biological and cultural carrying capacities of the habitats they occupy.
6. Management of individual wolves and wolf populations should also recognize the need to balance management objectives with respect for private property and human well-being.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this significant regulatory action. Please note that the organizations and individual members of the hunting and sustainable use conservation community may separately submit their own comments in response to the de-listing proposal.
Boone and Crockett Club Congressional Sportsmens Foundation Dallas Safari Club Houston Safari Club National Shooting Sports Foundation National Wild Turkey Federation Quality Deer Management Association Ruffed Grouse Society Sand County Foundation Wildlife Management Institute
Campfire Club of America Conservation Force Foundation for North American Wild Sheep Mule Deer Foundation National Trappers Association Pope & Young Club Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Safari Club International Texas Wildlife Association
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941