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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
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#181. To: SKYDRIFTER, christine, all (#139)
Iron Butterfly - In A Gadda Da Vida
Seems like most women I know think the same thing...)8^D!!
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, :-)
I correct that to be Emperoa of the Globe.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Individually, they do more for wildlife than any other group of Timothy Treadwell wannabe's on the planet.
_________________________________________________________________________ No. I'm saying the article you linked about man not being omnivors is bullshit.
Do you REALLY believe that? True macro evolution belief is only for die-hard believers who have gone over the edge of reality into the abyss of insanity.
God is always good!
We have INCISORS for MEAT: P.S. coyotes have been known to get into watermelons but that doesn't mean they're evolving into cows.
_________________________________________________________________________ Says who, you? There is a LARGE body of evidence that indicates man was originally a herbivore, and there is no physiological evidence that man was originally an omnivore. Man has BECOME an omnivore over time, but he wasn't made for that originally.
Horses have INCISORS, are you saying they are meat eaters?
But anyways, Carbon dating is only reliable if you think the rate of decay is a constant. If it isn't a constant then carbon dating may only work reliably for a few hundred years at best. There is evidence the Carbon-14 decay rate is not a constant. I just happened to respond to Old Friend poking fun at another, calling them "flat earther" for having a different persepective re: man's time on this earth. I had just read the article re: the axes prior to checkin out 4um. Hence, I thought I would share that millions of years of humans is not so far fetched in the realms of archeology and science. Nobody mentioned carbon dating of the axes, but rather rock dating. The margin of error on this particular dating was give or take 610K years, not a few hundred years.
Horses have INCISORS, are you saying they are meat eaters? I can open a beer bottle with my teeth.
True macro evolution belief is only for die-hard believers who have gone over the edge of reality into the abyss of insanity. Do you think the Earth is the center of the Universe? Apparently you do, as you believe that all that exists revolves around you and your world. How small can you think? Creation is an ongoing process, and we can see billions of stars in this galaxy alone, each of which is a sun (in case you didn't know what a star was). Each of those stars (or suns) may well have their own planetary system, and at least a few of those planets amongst those distant solar systems could have intelligent life on them. Have you never imagined anything other than what you've been told, or beyond what you were taught to think? If it's not dictated to you by a preacher, must it be a lie or impossible? You are apparently the sort of person who clings to junk science and superstition, while at the same time throwing stones at those who speak of true science. Were you at the bottom of your class in grade school? Did you ever finish high school? You are irrational and akin to those who believed the world was supported by elephants traveling around in circles.
Hmmm. I wonder what sort of scientific name that would be, brewavore?
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they?
Huh? Is that what you and others believe, that evolution is about coyotes evolving into cows? Try looking at bird skeletons and then looking at dinosaur skeletons, they are virtually identical. That is what is meant by evolution. Same goes for dogs from wolves, elephants from wooly mammouths, etc.
To hell with horses, here's a fur coat made with tanned coyote hides: _________________________________________________________________________ Most are true herbivores, and some are opportunistic omnivores. In other words, most only eat plants and nuts, but some eat bugs, snails, etc. when or if they can find them.
Ever hear of Karma?
For most that has already happened.
God is always good!
Karma: there's a coyote out there that I'm going to kill soon. Hopefully it's hide will be all furred-up and not have any mange. Here's a representative example from my happy hunting grounds: _________________________________________________________________________ Wouldn't it be worse for someone to premeditatedly kill their own child with time to think about it. Yes it would be worse. Off topic but... Israel planned its bombardment and slaughter of Palestinians which can be seen by the fact that for 3 months prior to their attack there had been virtually no rocket attacks on Israel by anyone. .
God is always good!
You will receive that which you give, and reap what you sow.
You really do believe that crap. UNBELIEVABLE!
God is always good!
BTW, do you go into your neighbor's yards at night and poison their dogs? That picture you posted sure looks like a dead dog (German Shepard).
You really believe this single little chunk of matter is the center of the Universe. Before I had access to the Internet I thought people such as you existed in the Middle Ages, but not in the 20th century (and of course the 21st century nowadays). I thought only retards and jungle dwellers were as uneducated and totally clueless on such things. I've seen many things since I first logged onto the net, but that sort of ignorance still shocks me to this day.
Man is not the only great ape that is an omnivore and I'm not even going to bother posting science to back it up because you never look at it anyway.
There are a multitude of scientific sources that indicate man was not originally an omnivore, but has all of the physiological traits of a herbivore. I don't care what accusations you make, you're wrong.
You googled an artlcle that you thought would make your point and expect me to take it as a fact when you can't e LOL!! So sayeth you. Let me get this straight........I take it on faith while you hold your Bible up to answer all scientific inquiries. Touche on the 'use your head' tip. So, you think the Dinos were cruising around in the Garden of Eden? Must of been cramped in there. I understand that humans have a feeble concept of linear time to help them survive. Without that, our feeble little brains might snap.....but God has no such problems to contend with. Yes, there are scientific methods to date objects, artifacts, stars, galaxies. All sorts of pertinent issues that were mysteriously omitted from the Bible. According to your line of thinking the sun is still revolving around the earth since mere mathematical formulas proved this erroneous line of thinking. Sheesh, it amazes me that this notion of dating in context to the Bible continues in this day and age. It's comical. How many scientists have been deemed heretics for simply stating the truth......truth that conflicts with linear and literal interpretations of the Bible? Actually, I have the humility and faith to not put God in the same linear box that humans exit in. What is a week to God, Old Friend? What is a day? What is a moment? An eternity? Please check your Bible and get back to me. I'm not asking about human perceptions here.
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they? Most are true herbivores, and some are opportunistic omnivores. In other words, most only eat plants and nuts, but some eat bugs, snails, etc. when or if they can find them. Fruitarian Evolution: Science Fact or Science Fiction? In contrast to the extensive fossil record evidence of meat in the evolutionary diet, there is virtually no credible scientific evidence of a strict fruitarian or veg*n diet by our prehistoric human (and australopithecine) ancestors. Much much more at the link.
Actually, I have the humility and faith to not put God in the same linear box that humans exit in. What is a week to God, Old Friend? What is a day? What is a moment? An eternity? Please check your Bible and get back to me. I'm not asking about human perceptions here. Sadly, Old Friend is not alone in his misguided beliefs. If people like that were basically non-violent, it wouldn't be as troublesome of a thought...
You quote a blog site (an anti-vegan site at that) as your "scientific proof"? Find me a university that states what you believe, then perhaps I'll concede. Till then... I could list hundreds of pro-vegan sites that state the opposite of what you posted. I can also post SCIENTIFIC sources.
That's not what I was commenting on and you know it. You said "creation is an ongoing process", that is what I find so unbelievable. What is it that you think has been created lately without man doing it? Even then man is only using the resources already in existence, no new matter is being created by man. To believe in macro evolution one must believe that in enough time that the computers of today, which are much less complex than humans, could come into existence without anyone ever making them and programs for them that can do meaningful things such as edit an image could happen by pure chance without anyone actually making them. Sorry, but that kind of faith is WAY beyond my level of faith in anything, including God.
God is always good!
Oooo big assumption. You didn't read the site did you. Knew you wouldn't.
Oh and BTW, that link you posted does NOT dispute any of the physiological evidence that I mentioned, it simply beats down straw men.
It's obvious that YOU didn't, or if you did, you thought it said something that it doesn't.
New stars, planets, and life on those worlds. In fact, the very fact that life is constantly recreating itself here on THIS planet each second of each day IS Creation in Progress.
How about a pro-vegetarian site that makes the claim that humans are omnivores? Humans are Omnivores Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore- insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions and similar functions can be served by several forms. Omnivorism The Great Apes Gorillas are more typically vegetarian, with less emphasis on fruit. Several years ago a very elegant study was done on the relationship between body size and diet in primates (and some other mammal groups). The only primates on the list with pure diets were the very small species (which are entirely insectivorous) and the largest (which specialize in vegetarian diet). However, the spectrum of dietary preferences reflect the daily food intake needs of each body size and the relative availability of food resources in a tropical forest. Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates). Again more at the link.
BTW, I never said that God did not create all that exists, I simply said it did not happen the way ancient desert dwellers described it. Can't you see that Nature IS the process of Creation? Can't you understand that evolution is but a tiny piece of that Creation, and that Creation itself goes well beyond that?
LOL!! The correct amount of thinning at the correct time prevents this. It's called game management, a centuries old technique that was diligently practiced by many older civilizations as if their very lives depended on getting it right.
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"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#182. To: christine (#168)
"...things would look a whole lot different around here were i in control. ;)"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#183. To: FormerLurker (#172)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#184. To: All (#180)
I wish you were Emperor of the Globe
#185. To: FormerLurker (#178)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#186. To: FormerLurker (#171)
Didn't catch this well thought out comment of yours. So you're saying the video is fake and people aren't shooting at wolves from aircraft, and that Sarah Palin doesn't support it?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#187. To: FormerLurker (#85)
Ok, then I say the Earth formed billions of years ago, and life did not all of sudden pop up, it took another billion years or so for sentient creatures to walk the Earth.
#188. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker (#186)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#189. To: farmfriend (#186)
No. I'm saying the article you linked about man not being omnivors is bullshit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#190. To: X-15 (#188)
We have INCISORS for MEAT
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#191. To: RickyJ (#59)
Totally off topic dude.
#192. To: FormerLurker, X-15, all (#190)
We have INCISORS for MEAT
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#193. To: RickyJ (#187)
(Edited)
Do you REALLY believe that?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#194. To: wudidiz (#192)
I can open a beer bottle with my teeth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#195. To: FormerLurker (#194)
Hmmm. I wonder what sort of scientific name that would be, brewavore?
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#196. To: X-15 (#188)
coyotes have been known to get into watermelons but that doesn't mean they're evolving into cows.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#197. To: FormerLurker (#190)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#198. To: wudidiz (#195)
Monkeys don't eat meat, do they?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#199. To: X-15 (#197)
To hell with horses, here's a fur coat made with tanned coyote hides:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: Rotara (#116)
When we get crossover into outright worship of the Creation (versus the Creator), please ping me. ;-)
#201. To: FormerLurker (#199)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#202. To: Old Friend (#121)
What about if a confused and misguided guy goes in a liquor store and kills someone in a moment of bad judgement.
#203. To: X-15 (#201)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#204. To: FormerLurker (#193)
Creation is an ongoing process...
#205. To: X-15 (#201)
Here's a representative example from my happy hunting grounds:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: RickyJ (#204)
(Edited)
You really do believe that crap.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#207. To: FormerLurker (#189)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#208. To: farmfriend (#207)
Man is not the only great ape that is an omnivore
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#209. To: Old Friend (#51)
My statement stands. You don't even know how they came up with these numbers. You take it on faith. Faith in man. Use your head. There can be no scientific method to determine the age of something allegedly a million years old. They weren't there and there is NO WAY IN HELL to scientifically prove any of these supposed ages in millions of years.
#210. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#198)
Humans have been eating meat since the dawn of the Homo genus. Humans appeared with the advent of a brand-new genus (Homo) ~2.5 million years ago. Humans evolved on the savanna-- a very different environment from the forest home of the great apes. From the very inception of our genus, humans have been eating animal foods. There is overwhelming scientific evidence to support this point. (Some of the evidence is discussed in this and the preceding section; also see Part 1 of the Paleolithic Diet vs. Vegetarianism interview series, available on this site, for additional information and citations.) The diet of some vague prehistoric frugivore that may or may not be an ancestor is irrelevant in light of the status of humans as a new genus with a different diet (i.e., eating more animal foods) and evolving in a different environmental niche.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#211. To: abraxas, Old Friend (#209)
Sheesh, it amazes me that this notion of dating in context to the Bible continues in this day and age. It's comical. How many scientists have been deemed heretics for simply stating the truth......truth that conflicts with linear and literal interpretations of the Bible?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#212. To: farmfriend (#210)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: FormerLurker (#206)
You really believe this single little chunk of matter is the center of the Universe.
#214. To: FormerLurker (#212)
You quote a blog site (an anti-vegan site at that) as your "scientific proof"?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#215. To: farmfriend (#210)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#216. To: farmfriend (#214)
You didn't read the site did you. Knew you wouldn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#217. To: RickyJ (#213)
You said "creation is an ongoing process", that is what I find so unbelievable. What is it that you think has been created lately without man doing it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#218. To: FormerLurker (#215)
Adapted from a talk by John McArdle, Ph.D. Introduction
There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.
Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.
The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.
There are very few frugivores amongst the mammals in general, and primates in particular. The only apes that are predominantly fruit eaters (gibbons and siamangs) are atypical for apes in many behavioral and ecological respects and eat substantial amounts of vegetation. Orangutans are similar, with no observations in the wild of eating meat.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#219. To: RickyJ (#213)
To believe in macro evolution one must believe that in enough time that the computers of today, which are much less complex than humans, could come into existence without anyone ever making them and programs for them that can do meaningful things such as edit an image could happen by pure chance without anyone actually making them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#220. To: FormerLurker (#163)
Hence leading to an over population of other animals, leading to death by starvation as THEIR food supplies dwindle.
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