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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
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#269. To: Refinersfire (#267)
Because it's legal to kill them.
_________________________________________________________________________ I stand 110% against such hunting..
I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct. But macro evolution is only a fairy tale that has no evidence to support it whatsoever. If macro evolution were proven true then God would be a liar saying he created all things in six days. If God is a liar, then what difference does it make if he exists or not? I said my faith in God is not irrational, and it isn't. If believing in God required me to be irrational to do so then I couldn't do it. But your faith in macro evolution and man made global warming is irrational.
God is always good!
After reading more of your posts on this thread, I know it is of no value to debate this with you.. you kill for the trill. To which I am wholeheartedly against. In my step-father's family, many were Game Wardens, and all were against the killing of any animal, that was NOT used for meat/skin.
Oh really?.. A Local Garage Owner, has 5 kills so far.. NONE brought back with him.. the fckin asshat.. If you are responding to the quote in italics above, you should send your comments to the person who posted that quote. There are lots of people who ignore the hunting regulations. You must salvage the hide and have it sealed within 30 days of the kill in most game management units.
I am sorry, I was replying to you and must have not copied all of my post/your reply.. again, sorry about that..
Me too; and I actually do it.
You and FormerLurker need to get over yourselves and your feigned sense of outrage over the FUCKING WOLVES. Remember, $12.40 buys a non-resident wolf license in Alberta, Canada; they aren't ate up with the "Save the WOLF!!" bullshit.
_________________________________________________________________________ You are an anti-hunter who keeps trying to cloak himself in "my family this..." and "responsible hunting only if..." bullshit. Fuck you and fuck FormerLurker, I know what kind of cock-sucking bastards you two really are, you want to ban ALL hunting and you start with the wolves/polar bears/etc. in increments. FUCK YOU!!
_________________________________________________________________________ I miss prairie dog fishing.
4um Traitor The hunting regulations are for the benefit of whom exactly? Do you really think there are so many hunters that they could if they wanted to make wolves extinct? Are wolves in any way whatsoever in any danger of going extinct? If not then the regulations are just a way for the state to get more money out of people through fines. Do you like the idea of someone telling you that you cannot do something on your own property that is hurting no one else? And how are the enforcement of these regulations suppose to occur? Cameras set everywhere to watch your every move, or are they just going to rely on people turning their neighbors in?
God is always good!
I stand 110% against such hunting.. You stand against mercy killings of animals so they won't starve to death. Well, I stand 100% against such cruel behavior to animals. No animal should have to starve to death when a bullet can end their suffering instantly. Animals are not people and do not have the same protection as humans do to life. We are commanded by God to kill and eat animals. They are for us, not us for them.
God is always good!
The hunting regulations are for the benefit of whom exactly? The wildlife of Alaska and the people of Alaska who depend on a robust wildlife population. Do you really think there are so many hunters that they could if they wanted to make wolves extinct? NO. Are wolves in any way whatsoever in any danger of going extinct? No. If not then the regulations are just a way for the state to get more money out of people through fines. Do you like the idea of someone telling you that you cannot do something on your own property that is hurting no one else? I do not hunt wolves on my own property. And how are the enforcement of these regulations suppose to occur? In the usual manner. People are reported breaking the law, people are confronted by enforcers for breaking the law. Cameras set everywhere to watch your every move, or are they just going to rely on people turning their neighbors in? Haven't run into a single camera out in the bush and my neighbors have never accused anyone falsely.
There is nothing scientific about the theory of Evolution. Its all made up. Someone imagined it. On the other hand if the Bible is true you would expect to find some archelogical evidence pertaining to certain events found in the Bible. Take the flood for example. If that is true as the Bible says it is. Then you would expect to see some evidence of that event since it was supposed to be global. You would expect to find billions of dead things buried in mud laid down by water all over the earth. That is what you find in the fossil record. The fossil record supports the creation model. In the fossil record there are no intermediary species as would be required for evolution to be true. As far as their dating method. It is flawed circular reasoning, but you know that. The Bible is true the flood happened. Real scientists usually know this.
I'm not even going to post the article...one of hundreds I found castigating the people who are slaughtering for the love of the kill. People can do the research on their own. Yeah I'm an old John Denver lover and animal/tree hugger from way back. The case and reasons against this slaughter have been made quite well by scientists, native american activists and many others, so I won't get involved in the debate or unwarranted personal attacks. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
We've come a long way baby !
4um Traitor Oh boo fucking hoo, you don't like to hear the truth so you block your ears. You're a typical example of what is wrong with people today, and the sort of person responsible for the mess this country is in. Hear no evil, see no evil, but you certainly have no problem SPEAKING evil on the other hand... I didn't like you when I first saw you here, but thought you were a better person than I had originally thought so I decided to consider you an ally over time. My first impression was spot on.
Thanks for the post Indie. I appreciate your views on this.
No use trying to speak logically to Old Friend, if his TV evangelist (Hagee perhaps?) didn't tell him, then it must be a lie...
No you are not. God could very well work through any process God chooses, and just because YOU think he can't doesn't make it so. If macro evolution were proven true then God would be a liar saying he created all things in six days. God didn't say that, MEN did. That you think God sat down and wrote a book illustrates how childish you are.
What part of unverifiable don't you understand. It is not science if it cannot be verified. Sheesh you think yourself smart but you are making a fool of yourself. You are correct.
YOU need to get over your belief that YOU have the right to kill anything that moves, just because it gives you a cheap fucking thrill.
They can easily go extinct. How many wild Buffalo are left in the US these days???
you articulated my feelings on this too. i appreciate the links.
Wrong Ricky. You are feeling JUSTIFIED in killing animals by MEN who TRANSLATED ancient writings into what they FELT like writing, to give them JUSTIFICATION for what they had already decided they were going to do... In Hebrew, the English phrase "dominion over animals" means "guardianship, or stewardship" over them, and does not give a green light to exploitation and slaughter. You are the product of TV evangelism, and a very fine example of such.
So since the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the same flood, then the Sumerian writings must all be true as well, right?
WRONG!
from the article: While Kempthorne heads the Dept. of Interior, the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture’s (USDA) National Research Center has current reports that wolves have restored much balance in the wild, keeping coyote populations down. Another 3-year study radio collared wolves in packs whose habitats surrounded the perimeter of cattle ranches. The wolves constantly crossed through cattle herds at night. In 3 years, wolves killed only 8 cattle. The National Geographic Channel aired a segment about Yellowstone’s wolves being a great success for the environment there. Why the rush to kill wolves after allowing them to flourish, especially if they are maintaining a balance among other predators?
Well didn't you just say that since the Bible mentions the flood, it HAS to ALL be true? I'm just using your own logic here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but by using YOUR logic, since the Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the flood, it ALSO HAS to ALL be true.
Because it gives the "sportsmen" a hard-on, and scores some points with them for Sarah Palin...
I'm just using your own logic here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but by using YOUR logic, since the Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the flood, it ALSO HAS to ALL be true. There is nothing logical about you. The Bible is Gods word. History books are not. I would type it slower for you but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Says who? I'll tell you who, it is MEN that say that, not GOD. There is nothing logical about you. You are so dense it's pathetic, where you can't even respond to your OWN logic in a sensible way, you decide to attack me personally instead. You are a nutjob bud.
Whatever mumbo jumbo you're using for an excuse, I'd love to know if you could hold a gun in your hand and blow away these wild beautiful sentient creatures needlessly yourself without feeling guilt? And how does your religious stuff even fit on this thread? What galaxy are you in? Why are you discussing the flood? What's the frequency Kenneth?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
Hey, this is God Can I please have your attention There's a need for intervention Man, I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing Yeah, this is God You fight each other in my name Treat life like it's a foolish game I'd say you've got the wrong idea Oh, all I'm asking for is love Well I've seen you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you Yeah, this is God I've given everything to you But look at what you do to the world that I created This is God What's with this attitude and hate You grow more ignorant with age You had it made, now look at all you've wasted Oh, all I'm asking for is love Oh, I've seen you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you, yeah I know your every thought, your heart and soul and every move There are so many consequences to the things you do All I'm asking for is love Haven't you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you A change in you, oh ~~Phil Vassar So what Bible are YOU using Old zionist friend??
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
What would be the reward for producing one of Palin's severed legs - and I am not advocating violence or dismemberment in any form.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Those beautiful creatures would tear you up given the chance and devour you on the spot. I would have no problem killing them for survival and/or for food.
God is always good!
The reward is hell.
God is always good!
Those beautiful creatures would tear you up given the chance and devour you on the spot. ZERO debate points awarded. Irrelevant. You imply all creatures must die who would kill a human given the opportunity. I would have no problem killing them for survival and/or for food. ZERO Debate points awarded. They are NOT being killed for survival or for food.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
No you are not. God could very well work through any process God chooses, and just because YOU think he can't doesn't make it so. Yes I am correct. Macro evolution depends on random chance for life to begin and evolve. If it is random chance alone, then God is not needed for it to occur. If you don't believe me then ask any scientist and they will tell you what I am saying here is correct.
God is always good!
God didn't say that, MEN did. That you think God sat down and wrote a book illustrates how childish you are. It's called the inspired word of God. You can choose to believe men made it up, but I don't believe that at all. For me it is the inspired word of God written down by men. God is more than capable of preserving his inspired word should anyone try to change it. God made all things we can know about in six 24 hour days. He could have done it in a nano-second if he wanted to, but he chose to do it in six 24 hour days.
God is always good!
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#270. To: X-15 (#234)
In the past five years, the state has relied on private pilots and gunners to kill wolves in different parts of the state where moose or caribou populations are too low to meet the needs and demands of subsistence and sport hunters. More than 800 wolves have been killed in the past five years as a result of the program.
#271. To: FormerLurker (#252)
#272. To: X-15 (#269)
Because it's legal to kill them.
#273. To: Refinersfire (#263)
That's the problem here.. this is being done mostly by Out of Stater's, that spend big money, to have the joy of a kill. Most don't even eat the meat nor keep their kill. The last report I got on this issue, was most of the kills, end up dog food..
#274. To: eskimo (#273)
#275. To: Refinersfire (#265)
I would in a heartbeat, as I would trust a wolf before most humans anymore..
#276. To: Refinersfire, FormerLurker (#270)
I stand 110% against such hunting..
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#277. To: Refinersfire, FormerLurker (#272)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#278. To: X-15 (#277)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#279. To: eskimo (#273)
There are lots of people who ignore the hunting regulations. You must salvage the hide and have it sealed within 30 days of the kill in most game management units.
#280. To: Refinersfire (#270)
In the past five years, the state has relied on private pilots and gunners to kill wolves in different parts of the state where moose or caribou populations are too low to meet the needs and demands of subsistence and sport hunters. More than 800 wolves have been killed in the past five years as a result of the program.
#281. To: RickyJ (#279)
#282. To: abraxas (#264)
#283. To: FormerLurker (#246)
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I will, however, weigh in with my opinion.
This goes against every fiber of my moral beliefs (not desert religions..they all love the excuse to needlessly kill whenever they get the chance.)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#284. To: Old Friend (#282)
The Bible is true the flood happened. Real scientists usually know this.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#285. To: Rotara (#262)
FL has earned the second spot on my bozo filter (The obnoxious atheist drone 'nobody' has #1 permanently locked up). The sheer volume of garbage put forth is justification enough; these goofy attacks are further justification.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#286. To: IndieTX (#283)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#287. To: abraxas, Old Friend (#264)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#288. To: RickyJ (#271)
I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#289. To: Old Friend (#255)
But you don't understand them. You just accept them because some guy in a white jacket with a lable of "scientist" said so. That makes you a willing ignorant follower.
#290. To: X-15, Refinersfire (#276)
You and FormerLurker need to get over yourselves and your feigned sense of outrage over the FUCKING WOLVES.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#291. To: RickyJ (#279)
Do you really think there are so many hunters that they could if they wanted to make wolves extinct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#292. To: IndieTX (#283)
#293. To: RickyJ, Refinersfire (#280)
We are commanded by God to kill and eat animals
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#294. To: Old Friend (#282)
The Bible is true the flood happened.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#295. To: FormerLurker (#294)
So since the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the same flood, then the Sumerian writings must all be true as well, right?
#296. To: IndieTX (#283)
#297. To: Old Friend (#295)
WRONG!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#298. To: christine, IndieTX (#296)
Why the rush to kill wolves after allowing them to flourish, especially if they are maintaining a balance among other predators?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#299. To: FormerLurker (#297)
Well didn't you just say that since the Bible mentions the flood, it HAS to ALL be true?
#300. To: Old Friend (#299)
The Bible is Gods word.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#301. To: Old Friend, formerlurker (#299)
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"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#302. To: Old Friend (#299)
"This is God" by Nashville songwriter Phil Vassar
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#303. To: FormerLurker (#0)
#304. To: IndieTX (#301)
Whatever mumbo jumbo you're using for an excuse, I'd love to know if you could hold a gun in your hand and blow away these wild beautiful sentient creatures needlessly yourself without feeling guilt?
#305. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#303)
What would be the reward for producing one of Palin's severed legs - and I am not advocating violence or dismemberment in any form.
#306. To: RickyJ, ALL (#304)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#307. To: FormerLurker (#288)
>>I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct.
#308. To: FormerLurker (#288)
(Edited)
If macro evolution were proven true then God would be a liar saying he created all things in six days.
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