So since the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the same flood, then the Sumerian writings must all be true as well, right?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
While Kempthorne heads the Dept. of Interior, the U.S. Dept. of Agricultures (USDA) National Research Center has current reports that wolves have restored much balance in the wild, keeping coyote populations down. Another 3-year study radio collared wolves in packs whose habitats surrounded the perimeter of cattle ranches. The wolves constantly crossed through cattle herds at night. In 3 years, wolves killed only 8 cattle. The National Geographic Channel aired a segment about Yellowstones wolves being a great success for the environment there. Why the rush to kill wolves after allowing them to flourish, especially if they are maintaining a balance among other predators?
Well didn't you just say that since the Bible mentions the flood, it HAS to ALL be true?
I'm just using your own logic here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but by using YOUR logic, since the Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the flood, it ALSO HAS to ALL be true.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Why the rush to kill wolves after allowing them to flourish, especially if they are maintaining a balance among other predators?
Because it gives the "sportsmen" a hard-on, and scores some points with them for Sarah Palin...
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Well didn't you just say that since the Bible mentions the flood, it HAS to ALL be true?
I'm just using your own logic here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but by using YOUR logic, since the Epic of Gilgamesh mentions the flood, it ALSO HAS to ALL be true.
There is nothing logical about you. The Bible is Gods word. History books are not. I would type it slower for you but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Says who? I'll tell you who, it is MEN that say that, not GOD.
There is nothing logical about you.
You are so dense it's pathetic, where you can't even respond to your OWN logic in a sensible way, you decide to attack me personally instead.
You are a nutjob bud.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Whatever mumbo jumbo you're using for an excuse, I'd love to know if you could hold a gun in your hand and blow away these wild beautiful sentient creatures needlessly yourself without feeling guilt? And how does your religious stuff even fit on this thread? What galaxy are you in? Why are you discussing the flood? What's the frequency Kenneth?
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
Hey, this is God Can I please have your attention There's a need for intervention Man, I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing Yeah, this is God You fight each other in my name Treat life like it's a foolish game I'd say you've got the wrong idea
Oh, all I'm asking for is love Well I've seen you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you
Yeah, this is God I've given everything to you But look at what you do to the world that I created This is God What's with this attitude and hate You grow more ignorant with age You had it made, now look at all you've wasted
Oh, all I'm asking for is love Oh, I've seen you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you, yeah
I know your every thought, your heart and soul and every move There are so many consequences to the things you do
All I'm asking for is love Haven't you hurt yourselves enough Oh, I've been waiting on a change in you A change in you, oh
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
Whatever mumbo jumbo you're using for an excuse, I'd love to know if you could hold a gun in your hand and blow away these wild beautiful sentient creatures needlessly yourself without feeling guilt?
Those beautiful creatures would tear you up given the chance and devour you on the spot. I would have no problem killing them for survival and/or for food.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
>>I said macro evolution does not need a God to occur. And I am correct.
No you are not. God could very well work through any process God chooses, and just because YOU think he can't doesn't make it so.
Yes I am correct.
Macro evolution depends on random chance for life to begin and evolve. If it is random chance alone, then God is not needed for it to occur. If you don't believe me then ask any scientist and they will tell you what I am saying here is correct.
If macro evolution were proven true then God would be a liar saying he created all things in six days.
God didn't say that, MEN did. That you think God sat down and wrote a book illustrates how childish you are.
It's called the inspired word of God. You can choose to believe men made it up, but I don't believe that at all. For me it is the inspired word of God written down by men. God is more than capable of preserving his inspired word should anyone try to change it.
God made all things we can know about in six 24 hour days. He could have done it in a nano-second if he wanted to, but he chose to do it in six 24 hour days.
You hold no moral high ground here, you're an anti-hunter. I get my "cheap fucking thrills" exposing you for the fraud you are. Go back to El-Pee, Fred Mertz.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
I can't, I'm not enough of a wild eyed bloodlustful fanatic wishing to kill a bunch of "Mooselem" children, and was banned for daring to speak out against those who were ecstatic over the deaths of innocent people.
I'm sure you fit in quite nicely there though, so I'm sure you are a member in good standing at ElZionPost.org...
And BTW slick, I'm not Fred. I am also not an anti-hunter, I am against shooting creatures from airplanes and killing animals for sport.
I have no quarrel with those who depend on what they hunt for food, just with those who do it for fun.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Nobody is killing wolves for sport from an airplane, you and the Defenders of Wildlife are a bunch of goddamn, motherfucking, lying sons-of-bitches. Eat shit and die you jackass.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Macro evolution depends on random chance for life to begin and evolve.
I don't think you understand what so-called "macro evolution" means. It implies a large scale change across species rather than a small change within species. In fact, the term isn't widely used anymore, where most scientists see evolution as one whole biological process.
So what I am saying is that those changes that caused evolution to take place could VERY WELL be the act of a Creator, not the random chance that you think the term demands.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Nobody is killing wolves for sport from an airplane
No, they are doing it for political show as to excite all the "sportsmen" who ejaculate over a "good" kill while dreaming of Sarah Palin holding their dicks.
you and the Defenders of Wildlife are a bunch of goddamn, motherfucking, lying sons-of-bitches. Eat shit and die you jackass
Hmmm, did I hit a nerve or something?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
So claim the people who not only wrote it, but who decided what books would go into it.
God is more than capable of preserving his inspired word should anyone try to change it.
You believe Adam was an individual man. "A-dam" means HUMAN in Hebrew, where the word MAN is "eesh". So your English translation is corrupt and means something totally different than what the original text says, thus it was NOT written by God since the meaning was not preserved, according to your logic.
God made all things we can know about in six 24 hour days.
You neglect the fact that you have no idea what length a day is in terms of God's time, even IF the actual translation of what you think it says is grammatically correct.
I do know that there is some truth in Genesis, just not the truth that you think.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
If you want to LIE to the other 4um members, that's your business, but I'll continue to expose you and your anti-hunting agenda.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
So what I am saying is that those changes that caused evolution to take place could VERY WELL be the act of a Creator, not the random chance that you think the term demands.
Hey Jackass. Quit trying to undermine the foundations of the Bible.
Evolution is not compatible with Gods word. Yes jackass it is GODS word.
Evolution implies death and suffering and new species coming out of that. The Bible teaches there was no death before sin. So therefore evolution isn't compatible with Gods word. The Earth and all that was in in was created in 6 days. You would have Adam and Eve sitting on a pile of dead bones and listening to God say that there is no death unless they eat from the tree.
So if you want to have your own little cult religion where you cut and paste from the Bible to your whim of the day and mix and smear it with the godless religion of evilution. Then that is fine do that. But don't try to tell anyone anything about the Bible. Becuase you don't get it.
So how am I lying? My opinion that this assault by air is morally bankrupt and is totally unnecessary. The facts are, it IS taking place, although you are apparently trying to say it isn't, which makes YOU the liar.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Hey Jackass. Quit trying to undermine the foundations of the Bible
You don't even understand the first thing about what the true Hebrew text of the Bible says, whether it be right or wrong, so screw off.
Evolution is not compatible with Gods word.
So says Old Friend, who apparently never understood anything beyond 1st grade science.
Evolution implies death and suffering and new species coming out of that.
You are such an idiot it's sort of sad in a way. Evolution is about genetic changes taking place over time causing a new species to develop from an existing species, or for a broad spectrum event to change MANY species at once.
That you can't let go of the mistranslated words of men trying to relate a story that people might grasp thousands of years ago as THE DE FACTO story of the Universe is your problem, not mine.
So if you want to have your own little cult religion where you cut and paste from the Bible
That you refuse to consider what you THINK is true might NOT be true, and refuse to look at the powerful evidence of Jesus being an Essene (Nazarene), where his teachings were drastically different than what YOU think they are, well, that is ALSO your problem...
You have been given the choice and the opportunity, you have made your decision. Good luck with that.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Fucking liar. I posted the links to the Alaska Fish & Game regulations and you wouldn't look for yourself. You don't have the moral high ground here, you are not the arbiter of what is and is not true. The truth is you want to see the eradication of tens of thousands of caribou and moose by the wolves, you only bring emotional rhetoric to the table:
Facing a "serious conservation concern," members of the Alaska Board of Game voted to adopt a predator management program to help a severely declining caribou herd in Game Management Unit 9D (Figure 1). The Southern Alaska Peninsula (SAP) herd presently numbers 600 caribou, down from a historical high of 10,000 caribou in 1983.
"It would be irresponsible in this case for us not to take action to help this herd," says ADF&G Division of Wildlife Conservation Director Doug Larsen.
The SAP declined dramatically over the last five years (Figure 2), in spite of good nutrition and minimal hunting harvest. The problem has been calves are not living as long as they should. Adequate numbers of calves have been born each year, but survival has been poor. During the past two years, nearly all of the calves been killed.
The management program approved by the Board will focus on removing wolves near the SAP calving grounds. Department staff plan to use a helicopter to locate and kill about 25 wolves from two to four wolf packs in the area. Goals of the program are to allow calves to survive to adulthood and to stop the overall herd decline. Brown bears, though abundant, do not kill as many calves as do wolves on the Alaska Peninsula.
"This type of focused predator reduction is very similar to programs conducted elsewhere by state and federal agencies addressing conservation concerns," Larsen said.
Although the herd ranges extensively on federal lands contained in the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge, they tend to calve on state lands, where predator control can be conducted.
Surveys confirmed nearly all calves died early in life and at a much higher rate than observed in other Alaska herds (Figure 3). Field studies on the Alaska Peninsula have shown that just about all calf deaths at this stage of life are caused by large predators (Figure 4).
The future of the SAP depends on whether or not calves survive during the next few years, and with high fuel prices and a lack of alternative food sources, the welfare of many local communities depend of the future of this herd.
Caribou herds have disappeared before, but because the SAP herd has been identified by the Board as important for human consumption, the Department is mandated by Alaska's "intensive management" law to take steps to rescue the herd.
The herd's decline was initially suspected when caribou surveys conducted in 2003-2005 indicated a drop in the number of calves reaching adulthood. Winter population counts in 2004-2005 also indicated a population decline, but not dramatically different than patterns seen in the late 1980s, when a decline was followed by herd growth.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.
The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests.
Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
LOL, you are pathetic. I guess to you, Einstein was a total idiot since he didn't use a Bible to formulate his Theory of Relativity.
You have no concept of anything that requires intelligence or insight beyond the mind of a small child. I feel like I'm tossing pearls before swine.
Good day.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You neglect the fact that you have no idea what length a day is in terms of God's time, even IF the actual translation of what you think it says is grammatically correct.
God did it six 24 hour days. They were the length of our present days or man could not have lived on Earth then. You can't reasoned with and choose to believe what you want to believe so it does no good trying to reason with you. Maybe someday you will realize you are wrong, then again maybe you won't, but either way you are wrong about macro evolution and man-made global warming.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
4um Traitor "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
Fucking liar. I posted the links to the Alaska Fish & Game regulations and you wouldn't look for yourself.
Hey dick breath, I know they are making excuses for themselves, it doesn't mean those excuses are valid or beyond reproach.
Their science has been called into question more than once by other groups of scientists, and as far as I can tell they have made faulty assumptions and misleading statements.
You took issue with the fact that I reported the aerial targetting of wolves, at first apparently saying that it was NOT going on. Perhaps I misunderstood you, but that is the impression I get.
Regardless, it's QUITE apparent you are a firm supporter of killing animals for sport. Fuck you.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
He is here not to learn, but rather push an agenda. Or he is as dense as you said. :=)
So Ricky, have you burned any crosses on your neighbor's lawns lately?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Actually, I hunt coyotes for very specific reasons: the USFS technicians tell me to tear them up, there's too many in the areas I hunt and they commit predation on deer fawn and turkey poults. I alluded to that in post #161. But I knew I could draw you out into the open when I just let on that it was all about drawing blood. You're not to bright, boy.
Game. Set. Match. Motherfucker.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus, shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. When will he come to Kenya to save us?
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
I've wasted enough time here myself trying to get retards such as yourself to understand anything beyond Sesame Street. So ok, you side with those who wish to kill animals for pure enjoyment, and side against those who wish to speak out against the cruelty of such practices.
You care not about the suffering of other creatures, in fact, you condone it.
You are a self-righteous hypocrite, a jackass, and a fool.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen