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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
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#322. To: FormerLurker (#318)
Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future. The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests. Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska. _________________________________________________________________________ That ones going to leave a few marks !
4um Traitor LOL, you are pathetic. I guess to you, Einstein was a total idiot since he didn't use a Bible to formulate his Theory of Relativity. You have no concept of anything that requires intelligence or insight beyond the mind of a small child. I feel like I'm tossing pearls before swine. Good day.
God did it six 24 hour days. They were the length of our present days or man could not have lived on Earth then. You can't reasoned with and choose to believe what you want to believe so it does no good trying to reason with you. Maybe someday you will realize you are wrong, then again maybe you won't, but either way you are wrong about macro evolution and man-made global warming.
God is always good!
FL is about as dense as a bar of titanium.
_________________________________________________________________________ Total waste of (my) time.
4um Traitor He is very similar to Mike Ferret. He is here not to learn, but rather push an agenda. Or he is as dense as you said. :=)
God is always good!
Hey dick breath, I know they are making excuses for themselves, it doesn't mean those excuses are valid or beyond reproach. Their science has been called into question more than once by other groups of scientists, and as far as I can tell they have made faulty assumptions and misleading statements. You took issue with the fact that I reported the aerial targetting of wolves, at first apparently saying that it was NOT going on. Perhaps I misunderstood you, but that is the impression I get. Regardless, it's QUITE apparent you are a firm supporter of killing animals for sport. Fuck you.
So Ricky, have you burned any crosses on your neighbor's lawns lately?
Actually, I hunt coyotes for very specific reasons: the USFS technicians tell me to tear them up, there's too many in the areas I hunt and they commit predation on deer fawn and turkey poults. I alluded to that in post #161. But I knew I could draw you out into the open when I just let on that it was all about drawing blood. You're not to bright, boy. Game. Set. Match. Motherfucker.
_________________________________________________________________________ I've wasted enough time here myself trying to get retards such as yourself to understand anything beyond Sesame Street. So ok, you side with those who wish to kill animals for pure enjoyment, and side against those who wish to speak out against the cruelty of such practices. You care not about the suffering of other creatures, in fact, you condone it. You are a self-righteous hypocrite, a jackass, and a fool.
You never answered why Jesus sinned when he ate fish.
As much as you think you might have "won" something here, it's apparent that YOU are not too bright as you've presented yourself to be a bloodthirsty asshole who gets his kicks killing God's creatures, not for food, but for sheer enjoyment. You are not as slick as you think you are, you little twit.
He didn't, so he didn't sin.
Prove it.
Oh and BTW, boy, you apparently don't know how to spell the word "too", unless you MEANT to say "to bright" in trying to say I was not going to a place called bright. Regardless, you're certainly a dim bulb even in a dimly lit room.
As soon as you prove macro evolution I will.
God is always good!
He didn't, so he didn't sin. Jesus ate fish with his disciples and like 5000 people. He also gave fish to people to consume. If eating meat is a sin then why would Jesus give his people something that would be a sin for them to consume?
well, interesting. have you ever noticed that on every issue there's differing opinions among the experts?
Prove it. Give me the Biblical quote if you'd like.
I have only said that God could very well be in control of what changes occur through evolution. That I am not saying that God doesn't exist must piss you off, eh? BTW, are you trying to say that ALL the species and types of creatures that inhabit the Earth today did so since the beginning of time here on Earth? Prove to me that you know how long a day is in the eyes of God.
A Real Hunter does not kill for sport, but because he/she uses his kill for food.. Also, you remind me of a "hunter" I know, that makes a high 6 figure income, but lives in a 3 room apartment with his Stuffed Kills.. and once told me, that he knows that where he lives, is in not the best part of town, but loves to scare the fck out of those who live around him..
No, I don't.. but there is a huge difference between "mercy" killings and Sport Hunting.. My Great Uncle Jim, in his role of Game Warden, had to set up a program to reduce the % of Deer on many PP&L owned lands.. he did it in a proper and moral manner, and to this day.. I am proud of his actions..
Wait a sec here.. you stated, you set out to decieve another member here, with what you were posting and you want to talk about having "moral" ground..
BULLSHIT! I personally know of someone who has, and posted about this person, back up on this thread..
The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas- X's posted article.. So which is it? Because I see airplane/aerial as one and the same..
Oh and BTW, boy, you apparently don't know how to spell the word "too", unless you MEANT to say "to bright" in trying to say I was not going to a place called bright. I'll give X-15 benefit of doubt, but this thread did remind me of getting hollered at at work for trying to bright the place up too much.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I'm gonna make any wolves on my property wear little snow plows. Where can I hire some PETA volunteers?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
LOL.. EDIT: I know of one here locally, that protest all of our hunting cabins, you can have him.. but once you take him, we don't want him back! ;-)
This, apparently, came from contribution #311. Thankfully, the intellectual who authored this persuasive argument is on my s_tlist because I don't see #311 but I'm glad to get an occasional glimpse of what I'm missing. I've been too busy to visit this site for the past 10 days or so but, clearly, the level and the civility of debate here has improved much.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I don't post much at LP because of the same thing.. I love a good debate, but when every other word is of that level, oh well.. all I can say, is that it shows my age.. I'm just getting too old for it..
I heard that (the brain) size does not matter and I tend to agree. Regardless of size, one's mind is a terrible thing to (turn to) waste.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
What a waste it is to lose one's mind. How true that is.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Hell with politics, I just want a flunky I can dress like a reindeer and send across town with packages. Oops, I've said too much.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
DAMN! you own me a new screen for my laptop with that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't you have to have one first?
Dang it Dak, you had me so messed up with your last post to me, I had to edit my last post.. Dang it, dang it, DANG IT!
Chew on this: Source: Anchorage Daily News www.adn. com/news/alaska/w.../wolves/story/410461.html Aerial hunting program kills 124 wolves State wildlife officials believe they have saved more than 1,400 moose or nearly 3,000 caribou -- or some combination thereof -- with a winter program to kill wolves from aircraft, although the wolf kill remains far below what the state wanted. Pilot-gunner teams have taken 124 wolves to date, according to Bruce Bartley, spokesman for the Alaska Division of Wildlife Conservation. The goal was 455 to 670 wolves. Still, the kill, which is ongoing, is more than the 97 wolves gunners took last year. The program runs as long as conditions allow or until state biologists decide wolf-kill quotas have been met. The kill has been low this year because of a March that lacked the fresh snow and good light needed for optimum hunting conditions. The exact number of moose or caribou saved by thinning wolf populations is hard to determine. Fish and Game's ungulate survival calculations are based on an average consumption of approximately 12 moose or 24 caribou per wolf per year. A kill of 124 wolves would thus translate to 1,488 moose or 2,976 caribou or some combination thereof. But if the moose are small -- calves or yearlings -- and easy to kill, the wolves might eat more. If the hunting is difficult, the wolves might be forced to survive on less. And in some cases, wolves can supplement their main diet of moose and caribou with other prey such as Dall sheep or beavers. Meanwhile, the number of moose and caribou saved for reproductive purposes, wildlife viewing and some hunting could be much smaller if wolves killed in March or April are quickly replaced by cubs in the summer. Wolves have high reproductive rates, leading some biologists to question the effectiveness of the hunts. Studies conducted on the Kenai Peninsula by noted biologist Rolf Peterson from Michigan Technological University found that even if 40 percent of the wolves in a pack died over a winter, pack sizes could be rebuilt by the start of the next winter. Peterson found the Kenai wolves killed, on average, one moose every 4.7 days. The hunting efficiency of wolves in winter is what led state wildlife officials to support aerial wolf hunting -- or wolf control as it is commonly called -- in areas of the state where biologists believe moose and caribou populations have been depressed by predation from bears and wolves, bad winters or in some cases by humans overhunting them. The ability of wolf populations to quickly rebuild and retain high rates of predation has been one of the arguments opponents of the hunts have used to criticize aerial gunning as inefficient and unnecessary. However, most opposition to the hunts is built around an affection for wolves by proponents. Long a subject of fear and loathing in North America, wolves were exterminated in most of the Lower 48 in the last century. They hung on only in the far north forests of Minnesota until American attitudes changed, and a program was begun to restore the animals to their traditional range. Wolves have since spread from Minnesota into nearby Midwestern states, and a reintroduction program initiated in Yellowstone National Park has helped wolves to re-establish old hunting grounds in Wyoming, Montana and Colorado. Meanwhile, the animals have become a wildlife-viewing icon for nature lovers everywhere. CONTROVERSIAL PRACTICE Aerial wolf control in Alaska remains highly controversial. Citizen efforts to stop it continue. Alaska voters have twice approved initiatives to stop the hunts, and another is slated to go on the ballot later this year. In March, Superior Court Judge William F. Morse invalidated the aerial killing of wolves in several small areas of the state while issuing a ruling upholding the predator control program. The suit was filed by Friends of Animals, Defenders of Wildlife and the Alaska Wildlife Alliance. Ron Clarke, assistant director of the state's Division of Wildlife Conservation, told The Associated Press that Morse's ruling was largely a victory for the program. "It reaffirms the state's position," he said. "We thought we were doing it appropriately and for the most part we are." Later in March, the shortfalls identified by Morse were fixed and the programs reactivated, according to Cathie Harms, spokeswoman for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. But Priscilla Feral, executive director for Friends of Animals, wasn't satisfied. "The state's mean-spirited and deeply unpopular wolf-shooting forays must stop," she told the Associated Press. Wolf-control teams in airplanes kill a fraction of the 1,200 to 1,300 wolves taken by trappers in Alaska each year, but the airplane kills remain at the center of a hot debate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolf kill summary: Preliminary Fish and Game numbers Here is a breakdown, by game management unit, of the 124 wolves killed by same- day airborne hunting and the 157 by more traditional hunting and trapping, according to Fish and Game. Alaska has a total of 26 game management units. GMU 13 WHERE: Nelchina Basin, a broad area generally bounded by the Glenn Highway on the south, the Denali Highway to the north, the Copper River to the east and the Chickaloon River to the west. Desired population: 135-165 Fall population estimate: 242-296 Wolf kill, same-day airborne: 33 Wolf kill, hunting and trapping: 53 Total: 86 Post-control population: 156-210 GMU 16 WHERE: Drainage of the Yentna River, a tributary to the Susitna River just north of Anchorage Desired population: 30-60 Fall population estimate: 106-173 Wolf kill, same day airborne: 20 Wolf kill, hunting and trapping: 23 Total: 43 Post-control population: 63-130 GMU 19A WHERE: North slope of the Alaska Range in a huge area around the tiny village of Sleetmute Desired population: 30-36 Fall population estimate: 59-93 Wolf kill, same day airborne: 15 Wolf kill, hunting and trapping: 16 Total: 31 Post-control population: 28-62 GMU 19D WHERE: North slope of the Alaska Range in a huge area around the town of McGrath Desired population: 40 Fall population estimate: 86-114 Wolf kill, same day airborne: 29 Wolf kill, hunting and trapping: 23 Total: 52 Post-control population: 34-62 GMU 12 AND 20E WHERE: Swath of land half the length of the Alaska-Canada border from Wrangell- St. Elias National Park and Preserve in the south to the community of Eagle Desired population: 88-103 Fall population estimate: 366-398 Wolf kill, same day airborne: 27 Wolf kill, hunting and trapping: 42 Total: 69 Post-control wolf population: 259-311
_________________________________________________________________________ State wildlife officials believe they have saved more than 1,400 moose or nearly 3,000 caribou -- or some combination thereof -- with a winter program to kill wolves from aircraft, although the wolf kill remains far below what the state wanted. Hmmmmm. 124 wolves or 4,400 moose / caribou. There is some kind of moral relativism argument in here, I'm sure of it. BTW a moose bit my sister once ~(#/
4um Traitor Four stories of the flood PREDATE the Bible. As do many Biblical stories that have been previously recorded in Sumerian texts. Real scientists actually know that the flood was not a WORLDWIDE event, but rather an event that occured in an ISOLATED area. How did the dinos fit into the ark? How about giraffes that were never indiginous to the area? Maybe God used quantum physics to get 'er done just as Jesus used quantum physics to feed the masses all those fishes. The theory of evolution is equally scientific as the theory of gravity. The difference is that the theory of gravity is now LAW, while the body of evidence regarding the theory of evolution is still growing. The theory includes a much more expansive body of evidence than fossil records. Nobody with a lick of sense regarding science denies that theory of evolution is scientific. Of coure, I don't expect a person who denies inductive reasoning in lieu of the term verifiable to understand an iota about science. In regards to the infallible word of the Bible, refer to Jeremiah, 8, 8: How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The Bible actually tells you that the scribes have lied and tampered with the message. What about trusting all the prophets? Jeremiah, 23, 26-27: How long shall this be in the heart of the prophesy lies? Yea, they are prophets of deceit of their own heart. Even Jesus told you to beware, Luke 24, 25: Then he (Jesus) said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart, to believe all that the prophets have spoken.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#323. To: X-15 (#321)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#324. To: Old Friend (#319)
You aren't to bright are you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#325. To: FormerLurker (#314)
You neglect the fact that you have no idea what length a day is in terms of God's time, even IF the actual translation of what you think it says is grammatically correct.
#326. To: Rotara (#323)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#327. To: X-15 (#326)
FL is about as dense as a bar of titanium.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#328. To: X-15 (#326)
FL is about as dense as a bar of titanium.
#329. To: X-15 (#321)
Fucking liar. I posted the links to the Alaska Fish & Game regulations and you wouldn't look for yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#330. To: RickyJ (#328)
He is here not to learn, but rather push an agenda. Or he is as dense as you said. :=)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#331. To: FormerLurker (#329)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#332. To: Rotara (#327)
Total waste of (my) time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#333. To: FormerLurker (#332)
#334. To: X-15 (#331)
But I knew I could draw you out into the open when I just let on that it was all about drawing blood. You're not to bright, boy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#335. To: Old Friend (#333)
You never answered why Jesus sinned when he ate fish.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#336. To: RickyJ (#325)
They were the length of our present days or man could not have lived on Earth then.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#337. To: X-15 (#331)
You're not to bright, boy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#338. To: FormerLurker (#336)
Prove it.
#339. To: FormerLurker (#335)
You never answered why Jesus sinned when he ate fish.
#340. To: X-15 (#321)
#341. To: Old Friend (#339)
Jesus ate fish with his disciples and like 5000 people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#342. To: RickyJ (#338)
As soon as you prove macro evolution I will.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#343. To: X-15 (#277)
#344. To: RickyJ (#280)
(Edited)
You stand against mercy killings of animals so they won't starve to death.
#345. To: X-15, FormerLurker (#309)
You hold no moral high ground here, you're an anti-hunter. I get my "cheap fucking thrills" exposing you for the fraud you are. Go back to El-Pee, Fred Mertz.
#346. To: X-15, FormerLurker (#311)
Nobody is killing wolves for sport from an airplane, you and the Defenders of Wildlife are a bunch of goddamn, motherfucking, lying sons-of-bitches. Eat shit and die you jackass.
#347. To: X-15, FormerLurker (#322)
(Edited)
Nobody is killing wolves for sport from an airplane, - X
#348. To: FormerLurker, X-15 (#337)
X-15: You're not to bright, boy.
#349. To: Refinersfire (#347)
#350. To: Dakmar (#349)
(Edited)
I'm gonna make any wolves on my property wear little snow plows. Where can I hire some PETA volunteers?
#351. To: Refinersfire (#346)
you and the Defenders of Wildlife are a bunch of goddamn, motherfucking, lying sons-of-bitches. Eat shit and die you jackass.
#352. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#351)
I've been too busy to visit this site for the past 10 days or so but, clearly, the level and the civility of debate here has improved much.
#353. To: Refinersfire (#352)
#354. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#353)
#355. To: Refinersfire (#350)
EDIT: I know of one here locally, that protest all of our hunting cabins, you can have him.. but once you take him, we don't want him back!
#356. To: Dakmar (#355)
Hell with politics, I just want a flunky I can dress like a reindeer and send across town with packages. Oops, I've said too much.
#357. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#353)
(Edited)
one's mind is a terrible thing to (turn to) waste.
#358. To: Dakmar (#355)
#359. To: FormerLurker (#334)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#360. To: X-15 (#359)
Aerial hunting program kills 124 wolves
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#361. To: Old Friend (#282)
The Bible is true the flood happened. Real scientists usually know this.
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