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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
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Comments: 460
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#29. To: Refinersfire (#22)
Amen. Palin is speaking of self-protection in the AK. And self-protection extends to the native wildlife and the introduced cattle, horses, sheep, goat, etc. that may be there.
ping to above..
I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:
_________________________________________________________________________ And the Wolf is what?
'Sport killing' - no. Protecting your livestock, or yourself, 'Yes."
OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
_________________________________________________________________________ Maybe they can pass a law that if you are out of State and you want to hunt wolves you have to do it with primative weapons. Like knives and home made bows. Or bare hand wolf wrestling would be fun to watch on pay per view.
The last I was in Alaska, a bear couldn't be legally killed, without its charging an exposed human, or breaking into a home. At one point, in my home town, somebody got tired of being chased inside by a local bear; did a star-cut on the top of a 55 gallon drum, bent the 'teeth' inwards, then baited it with salmon. The bear took nearly four hours to bleed to death, trying to get the barrel off its neck. After that, Fish & Game brought in a live-catch bear trap & started hauling the in-town bears off to remote places. In one case, Fish & Game chartered an amphibious plane (Gruman Goose) to cart a tranquilized bear far away. The tranquilizer started wearing off, en route, & the pilot got so scared that he crashed the plane into the open water, between King Salmon & Kodiak Island. The people got out, but the bear drowned. The pilot was considered for indictment for being party to the death of the bear. A true story! "In Alaska, anything can happen - and it usually does."
Yes and No.. as they pay Farmers, for any Proven Wolf Kill of Livestock.. and to my understanding, that is Final Value, not Auction Value..
And the Wolf is what? Native - unless you've something to the contrary. I'm tired of this stupid thread. If you don't know what needs to be killed, just let the cockroaches fill up your home, and wonder what to do.
I use a Compound Bow.. ;-) as for the Wolf Wrestling, I would pay to see that...lol (p.s. my money is on the wolf)
I don't worry about cockroaches, as I keep my house clean.. btw.. they have NOTHING to do with this debate.. it is about a manner of killing/hunting that is immoral.. and the stats, are against a valid argument on behalf of this manner..
Some game is not fit for human consumption, such as bear & wolves. The last I knew Alaska Fish & Game required sport hunting moose & caribou meat to be harvested, often going to charity food providers. That even extended to "road- kill" moose, in particular. Caribou are rarely close to civilization. However, caribou males killed during mating season take on an odor/taste which makes the meat unfit for even dog food. (The details are gross)
And you sat back and watched it. I have seen Gentle Ben. Bears are nice. You should have got out your swiss army knife and helped it out.
I've always been curious about "half-wolf," as Eskimos laugh at those who leave their dogs out for wolf-mating; they consistently discover scraps of dog fur, bones & blood, after the wolf departs. Logic suggests that half-wolf is possible, but I've never known of a believable case, save claims of artificial insemination. I don't envy the vet who has to jerk off a wolf! It could be that the case of timber wolves is different; I can't speak to that history.
This was in Texas when I was a kid. I took their word for it. Looked wolfish.
There are plenty of artifacts a million years older than the Bible, long before Isiah (sic) roamed the earth. January 30th, 2009 @ 4:39am By JULIA ZAPPEI Associated Press Writer KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Malaysian archeologists have unearthed prehistoric stone axes that they said Friday were the world's oldest at about 1.8 million years old. Seven axes were found with other tools at an excavation site in Malaysia's northern Perak state in June, and tests by a Tokyo laboratory indicate they were about 1.83 million years old, said Mokhtar Saidin, director of the Center for Archaeological Research at the University of Science Malaysia. The group released their conclusions Thursday, and other archeologists have not yet examined the results. "It's really the first time we have such evidence (dating back) 1.83 million years," Mokhtar said, adding that the oldest axes previously discovered were 1.6 million years old in Africa. However, other chopping tools, as well as human remains, have been found in Africa that are much older, with some dating back 4 million years, he said. Geochronology Japan Inc., a lab in Tokyo, calculated the age of the tools by analyzing the rock that covered them, Mokhtar said. The result has a margin of error of 610,000 years, he said. Some previous discoveries have suggested there were humans in Southeast Asia up to 1.9 million years ago, but those have been disputed, said Harry Truman Simanjuntak, a researcher at the National Research Center of Archaeology in Jakarta. Simanjuntak cautioned that others still need to investigate claims about the axes' age. The oldest previous evidence of human existence in Malaysia was stone tools dating back about 200,000 years, found at the same excavation site in Perak. The archeologists are trying to find human bone remains in Perak, Mokhtar said, but stressed that it might be unlikely because of decay due to warm, humid climate conditions. The oldest bones found in Perak so far have only been about 10,000 years old. (Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) AP Scraping Prohibition
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
And you sat back and watched it. I wasn't present. There were no admitted witnesses to the death, Kodiak Brown Bear can let out one hell of a scream; thus the time was noted. When in pain or anger, such as in a fight with another bear, the sound is terrifying - even from a distance. I've heard it from a pissed Kodiak, in a live trap - you instantly check to make sure the trap is holding! Such traps are usually a four-foot piece of corrugated culvert, blocked at one end, with a sliding trap-door on the other. The release is an electric DC motor - on a timer. Most often, a Kodiak will return to the same spot, within three days, from 50 miles away - usually staying a greater distance from mankind or being damned quick to run. In the summer, you keep a keen eye open, when around a garbage source, within the limited hours of darkness. The serious threat is the presence of mom (sow) & cubs - at any time. Been there, done that; I believe in the providence of God! (Another true story!)
I was just teasing you a bit. Good story.
Did you read the article or just get your panties in a wad and zip off a quick response? : ) FROM THE ARTICLE: However, other chopping tools, as well as human remains, have been found in Africa that are much older, with some dating back 4 million years, he said. (Did you catch that, Old Friend? 4 MILLION) Geochronology Japan Inc., a lab in Tokyo, calculated the age of the tools by analyzing the rock that covered them, Mokhtar said. The result has a margin of error of 610,000 years, he said. (note that the axes in question could be 1.2 Million years old OR 2.4 Million years old) And, no, not just anyone is saying anything. These are scientists and archeologists who are making the statements and deciding the numbers. These are professionals, not a bunch of bloggers stating opinions.
Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?
God is always good!
My statement stands. You don't even know how they came up with these numbers. You take it on faith. Faith in man. Use your head. There can be no scientific method to determine the age of something allegedly a million years old. They weren't there and there is NO WAY IN HELL to scientifically prove any of these supposed ages in millions of years. You googled an artlcle that you thought would make your point and expect me to take it as a fact when you can't even tell me how they came up with this number. Ridiculous.
That is exactly what is happening.
Which version, the Hebrew or the English? I can't seem to find where in Genesis the exact year was given of Creation, can you find it?
The original issue is the matter of proverbial "Mother Nature," implying "life," in general. As to the age of humans, the jury is still out, in my mind. The end of humans could happen at any time; depraved and un-natural beasts that we are! Hopefully, the beasts of the field and the birds of the air will survive. How does that 70s song go? "In the year 2525 - if man is still alive, we may find..." {Lord, oh dear, I'm actually old enough to remember that one? Lucky, I guess I dunno, some times.}
By "dealing with it", I don't mean massive aerial assault, I mean on a case by case basis as the need arises.
It doesn't matter. The dates are the same. Show me a contradiction in dates if your not just blabbering. Or just use the good old King James version. God promised his word would be translated into all tongues. Have faith in your creator. He is not a weakling like some seem to think.
wasn't that the 60s? ;)
Let's see; YOU - needless massacre of innocent creatures. Uh huh. So are you still slapping your mom around and killing puppies to pass the time? Or have you progressed to bigger and better things yet?
Totally off topic dude. But anyways, Carbon dating is only reliable if you think the rate of decay is a constant. If it isn't a constant then carbon dating may only work reliably for a few hundred years at best. There is evidence the Carbon-14 decay rate is not a constant.
God is always good!
Ok then. Since you claim to KNOW the date, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us.
There are no innocent creatures. None. Herds have to be thinned out from time to time. I am sorry you do not appreciate this or comprehend why. Animals are not human, treating them as if they are is a mistake.
God is always good!
Whether or not that is true, does that make the slaughter of these creatures any less repulsive or senseless? Wolves are the ancient ancestors of the dog, and as such, should be treated with respect. Or are you ok with shooting dogs from the air as well?
That's a convenient notion and self-righteous excuse if you plan on killing them.
Did you know the Hebrew word ADAM means MANKIND and is NOT the name of a man?
Speaking from experience obviously...
You said that earlier. You sound like a broken record player. Anyway Adam is the name of a man. That being so someone probably took his name and used it as the name for mankind. Not that complicated. I'm surprised you didn't figure it out. On second thought no i'm not.
Are you now trying to say this does not happen, and is not official State of Alaska policy?
The Sarah Palin bullshit is to be observed within the context that to do arial wolf hunting, in the interest of public safety, mandates that the aircraft are far more of a public threat, than the wolves. Not to mention that the FAA prohibits the actions proposed, even within the context of "public use aircraft" regulations. If a wolf is far enough away from civilization to be hunted from the air; there is no threat to the public. That's Sarah Palin and her Tampax thinking. It really is that simple. I guess I flew the Alaskan "bush" for too many years (15). Makes a fella overly pragmatic and sensible - not very popular, these days.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHunting/killing is for food and self-protection.. after that it becomes a sport.. and I am not a sport hunter..
#30. To: lodwick, Former Lurker (#28)
#31. To: FormerLurker, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#32. To: lodwick (#29)
And self-protection extends to the native wildlife
#33. To: All (#29)
#34. To: FormerLurker, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#35. To: Refinersfire (#28)
Out of Stater's, that spend big money, to have the joy of a kill.
#36. To: Old Friend (#25)
I don't know the situation out there. I don't think that just killing the wolves for the fun of it would be right. I think that the local people should make their own decisions. They have first hand knowldege and should decide.
#37. To: X-15, FormerLurker, All (#34)
OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
#38. To: Refinersfire, all (#32)
And self-protection extends to the native wildlife
#39. To: Old Friend (#35)
Maybe they can pass a law that if you are out of State and you want to hunt wolves you have to do it with primative weapons. Like knives and home made bows. Or bare hand wolf wrestling would be fun to watch on pay per view.
#40. To: lodwick (#38)
If you don't know what needs to be killed, just let the cockroaches fill up your home, and wonder what to do.
#41. To: Refinersfire (#28)
#42. To: SKYDRIFTER (#36)
The bear took nearly four hours to bleed to death, trying to get the barrel off its neck.
#43. To: Old Friend (#26)
I used to have a dog that was about half wolf. We had to get rid of it because it bit some kid riding by on a bicycle. I liked the dog.
#44. To: SKYDRIFTER (#43)
#45. To: Old Friend, FormerLurker (#19)
The world flat. lol. That is what "scientists used to think. If they had only consulted their Bible and read Isiah they would have known better.
#46. To: abraxas (#45)
Malaysian archeologists have unearthed prehistoric stone axes that they said Friday were the world's oldest at about 1.8 million years old.
#47. To: Old Friend (#42)
#48. To: SKYDRIFTER (#47)
#49. To: Old Friend (#46)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#50. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
#51. To: abraxas (#49)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#52. To: FormerLurker (#3)
If you live out in the wilderness, then you should be prepared to deal with the creatures that inhabit that area when necessary,....
#53. To: Old Friend (#23)
Go read your Bible. Add up all the begats and begats. Go back to the original creation and you have your answer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: Old Friend (#46)
Anyone can say anything. Tell me how they came up with this number.
#55. To: eskimo (#52)
That is exactly what is happening.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: FormerLurker (#53)
Which version, the Hebrew or the English? I can't seem to find where in Genesis the exact year was given of Creation, can you find it?
#57. To: SKYDRIFTER (#54)
How does that 70s song go? "In the year 2525 - if man is still alive, we may find..."
#58. To: RickyJ (#50)
Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?
ME - against needless massacre of innocent creatures.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: abraxas (#49)
#60. To: Old Friend (#56)
It doesn't matter. The dates are the same.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#58)
#62. To: X-15 (#34)
OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: RickyJ (#61)
There are no innocent creatures.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: Old Friend (#56)
God promised his word would be translated into all tongues
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: Old Friend, abraxas (#46)
Anyone can say anything.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)
#67. To: X-15 (#31)
I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: FormerLurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#20)
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