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Title: Sarah Palin Champions Barbaric Aerial Hunting of Wolves
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ
Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: defendersactionfund
Post Date: 2009-02-03 17:56:11 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Barbaric, Animal slaughter, Compassionate Conservatism, Sarah Palin
Views: 9058
Comments: 460


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"Compassionate Conservatism" at it's best...

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#58. To: RickyJ (#50)

Are you sure you aren't a former mental patient? Or maybe an escaped one?

Let's see;

YOU - needless massacre of innocent creatures.
ME - against needless massacre of innocent creatures.

Uh huh. So are you still slapping your mom around and killing puppies to pass the time? Or have you progressed to bigger and better things yet?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: abraxas (#49)

Totally off topic dude.

But anyways, Carbon dating is only reliable if you think the rate of decay is a constant. If it isn't a constant then carbon dating may only work reliably for a few hundred years at best. There is evidence the Carbon-14 decay rate is not a constant.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Old Friend (#56)

It doesn't matter. The dates are the same.

Ok then. Since you claim to KNOW the date, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#58)

There are no innocent creatures. None. Herds have to be thinned out from time to time. I am sorry you do not appreciate this or comprehend why. Animals are not human, treating them as if they are is a mistake.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: X-15 (#34)

OK, I just saw that this is from the Defenders of Wildlife, they're the hunting world's equivalent of the ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE.

Whether or not that is true, does that make the slaughter of these creatures any less repulsive or senseless? Wolves are the ancient ancestors of the dog, and as such, should be treated with respect.

Or are you ok with shooting dogs from the air as well?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: RickyJ (#61)

There are no innocent creatures.

That's a convenient notion and self-righteous excuse if you plan on killing them.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Old Friend (#56)

God promised his word would be translated into all tongues

Did you know the Hebrew word ADAM means MANKIND and is NOT the name of a man?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Old Friend, abraxas (#46)

Anyone can say anything.

Speaking from experience obviously...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)

You said that earlier. You sound like a broken record player. Anyway Adam is the name of a man. That being so someone probably took his name and used it as the name for mankind. Not that complicated. I'm surprised you didn't figure it out. On second thought no i'm not.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   22:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: X-15 (#31)

I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:

Are you now trying to say this does not happen, and is not official State of Alaska policy?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: FormerLurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#20)

The Sarah Palin bullshit is to be observed within the context that to do arial wolf hunting, in the interest of public safety, mandates that the aircraft are far more of a public threat, than the wolves. Not to mention that the FAA prohibits the actions proposed, even within the context of "public use aircraft" regulations.

If a wolf is far enough away from civilization to be hunted from the air; there is no threat to the public.

That's Sarah Palin and her Tampax thinking. It really is that simple.

I guess I flew the Alaskan "bush" for too many years (15). Makes a fella overly pragmatic and sensible - not very popular, these days.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-02-03   22:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Old Friend (#66) (Edited)

Anyway Adam is the name of a man.

Only to those who know absolutely nothing about Hebrew and believe whatever bullshit somebody tells them because it makes them feel good.

So again, what DATE DID GOD CREATE THE EARTH? I wouldn't ask if you didn't firmly say you knew what it was.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#69)

It was created in the year 0 AC

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   22:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#69)

So again, what DATE DID GOD CREATE THE EARTH? I wouldn't ask if you didn't firmly say you knew it what it was.

The date?

I don't really know the exact date, but I am sure it was a Sunday.

Approx. 6000 years ago is a good estimate though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Old Friend (#66)

Anyway Adam is the name of a man. That being so someone probably took his name and used it as the name for mankind.

Uh huh. The people that wrote it didn't mean it was any particular man, it was in fact the word for HUMAN (or HUMANKIND). It's only because some people of limited intelligence needed a nice little fairytale to make them happy that the English translation changed the meaning of the text.

From Hebrew/English Dictionary (The Ancient Hebrew Research Center)

a-dam Human 1082-C (N)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:37:23 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: RickyJ (#71)

I don't really know the exact date, but I am sure it was a Sunday.

Approx. 6000 years ago is a good estimate though

Do you REALLY believe that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Refinersfire (#28)

That's the problem here.. this is being done mostly by Out of Stater's, that spend big money, to have the joy of a kill. Most don't even eat the meat nor keep their kill. The last report I got on this issue, was most of the kills, end up dog food..

Nonsense, all nonsense.

eskimo  posted on  2009-02-03   22:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Old Friend (#70)

It was created in the year 0 AC

Uh huh. Now give us the exact year in terms of BC, as unfortunately your AC era is undefined.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#63)

That's a convenient notion and self-righteous excuse if you plan on killing them.

How can I eat them if I don't kill them first?

Eating them alive would be wrong.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)

I have no good reason not to believe that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FormerLurker (#55)

By "dealing with it", I don't mean massive aerial assault, I mean on a case by case basis as the need arises.

Any aerial thinning of wolf packs is handled by Fish and Game and only when necessary.

eskimo  posted on  2009-02-03   22:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#75)

I just defined it. It was the date of creation 0 at creation

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   22:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: RickyJ (#71)

Rickys estimate is a good one. Anyone who thinks otherwise should prove it.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   22:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: RickyJ (#71)

Approx. 6000 years ago is a good estimate though.

BTW, did you know that Sumeria was a civilization with cities, agriculture, government, and science around that time? Are you saying the Sumerians popped up magically all of sudden out of nothing?

In fact, the Sumerian civilization can be traced back to 5300 BC.

That's 7300 years ago, and there were people around WAY before them...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: eskimo (#78)

Any aerial thinning of wolf packs is handled by Fish and Game and only when necessary.

The government regulates too many things. Pretty soon they are going to tell you where you have to work and who have to marry.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-02-03   22:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: X-15, Christine, Jethro Tull, Formerlurker, All (#31)

I couldn't find the regulation that allows hunters to hunt from an airplane, please find the regulation that permits it:

The FAA prohibits what's proposed by Sarah - that caps the issue, by itself.

In Alaskan history, many of the 'seasonal' aircraft crashes are from what's termed the "moose stall." A stupid pilot spots a moose, then circles it, oblivious to the fact that the aircraft is flying too low, down-wind, with a visual speed (groundspeed) far more than the actual airspeed, required to keep the aircraft from stalling. Even with quick reflexes, the aircraft ends up stalling and impacting the ground, before achieving functional flying airspeed. Even with the "stall warning" going off, pilots get so mentally and visually focused on the moose, that they don't hear it - so report a handful of surviving pilots & their passengers.

So, Sarah now wants to invent the "wolf stall." (And McCain wonders what went wrong.)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-02-03   22:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Nice video...and yes, I support responsible wildlife management...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2009-02-03   22:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Old Friend (#79)

I just defined it. It was the date of creation 0 at creation

Ok, then I say the Earth formed billions of years ago, and life did not all of sudden pop up, it took another billion years or so for sentient creatures to walk the Earth.

In fact, what about all the other worlds being created as we speak? They aren't forming in a day, they are still being formed from gasses. Why doesn't the Bible speak about them, and why THEY aren't forming in a day?

In fact, are you sure you know how long a day is in the eyes of the Creator?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: RickyJ (#82)

I do find the words "By their fruits ye shall know them" to be spot on, as only hypocrites would claim to be Christlike yet have no problem with killing innocent creatures.

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Mudboy Slim (#84)

Nice video...

Of course you drool over little Pali kids getting WilliePete burns all over their bodies too...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: christine (#57)

wasn't that the 60s? ;)

Oh God, you're right. I want to cry - I remember listening to it in a restaurant across from the Army Recruiting Office in Anchorage. That was 40 years ago! Too bad I missed its message, I could have slit my wrists & avoided all this anguish!

If I didn't love you so much, I'd accuse you of cruelty - 40 fuckin' years ago; my God!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-02-03   22:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: RickyJ (#76)

How can I eat them if I don't kill them first?

Thing is, there are MANY other things to eat. I'm not a vegetarian, YET. But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: RickyJ (#77)

I have no good reason not to believe that.

You have MANY reasons not to, and absolutely ZERO reasons why you should.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   22:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: SKYDRIFTER (#88)

was it a better world then or were we blissfully ignorant? i know the music was better. :)

christine  posted on  2009-02-03   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FormerLurker (#89)

But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.

Are you pro-abortion or pro-life ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-03   23:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: FormerLurker (#89)

But I do feel sorrow over those creatures who live miserable lives being raised in horrific conditions simply to serve as food, and those who die agonizing deaths for whatever reason.

i do too.

christine  posted on  2009-02-03   23:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker (#89)

Why are cows more worthy then rodents. For farming you have to kill innocent ants, grasshoppers, crickets, and rats among other creatures. Why must they die for you to eat vegetables. Vegetables are for bugs to eat.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   23:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: FormerLurker (#87)

Sheeeze...aren't WE the surly ones this evening?

LOL...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2009-02-03   23:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: eskimo (#78)

Any aerial thinning of wolf packs is handled by Fish and Game and only when necessary.

I don't believe wholesale slaughter to be necessary or morally acceptable. I think if a rancher or farmer has a problem with wolves, they need to get some attack dogs that will guard their stock, and fire upon the wolves when warned by their dogs.

Although you have to wonder about the wisdom of keeping livestock in a wilderness area teaming with wolves in the first place. Perhaps that's what Darwin meant by "survival of the fittest". I don't think he had helicopter gunships attacking wildlife in mind however...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   23:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#93)

Did you cry when you watched Charlotte's web?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-03   23:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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