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Title: Two 4um Rules
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Published: Feb 5, 2009
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2009-02-05 15:13:31 by christine
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Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be.
First, I should clarify that Rule #1 includes fellow posters. As you all know, I have a very liberal and tolerant free speech policy here. There is no rule against ad hominems or profanity. However, I have noticed of late a marked increase of both to the point where it's become most unsavory and is setting a tone that, I feel, is beneath us as reasonable and mature adults. Other than the two specified rules to which I expect adherance, no one's speech is constrained, so I'm requesting that you please employ self restraint.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
self restraint

That standard might be too high for one or two of us...
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-02-05 15:24:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: christine (#0)
As Gentlemen of the first order, I am sure all of our friends here will read and heed.
This Country and its people are in great distress, which should be of our paramount interest, not this endless internecine battling among ourselves.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 15:28:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine (#0)
most unsavory and is setting a tone that, I feel, is beneath us as reasonable and mature adults.

Thank You.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-02-05 15:28:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: christine (#0)
Oh man. Well there goes my next post out the window. *sighs*
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-05 15:31:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: tom007, turtle (#3)
Tom...
I hope this does not restrict us from going Turtle hunting with a big stick????

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 15:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: christine (#0)
Profanity is never required to eviscerate the commentary of a drooling, slack jawed, perfidous, malignant, malefactorious, microencephalic, duplicitous, squirrel brained, lizard breathed, slimewad, of a no good back shooting yellow dog having miniscule intellect and discernment with morals that would make a Harlot blush.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-02-05 15:34:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
There is no law against hunting turtles and other pests and varmints. At least, none that I know about. >(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-05 15:34:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
I hope this does not restrict us from going Turtle hunting with a big stick????

No Way - Chris approves of turtle hunting from heliochopters.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-02-05 15:34:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: farmfriend (#4)
Oh man. Well there goes my next post out the window. *sighs*

LOL!
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-02-05 15:35:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: farmfriend (#4)
farm...
You better go looking for a halo.
I just dug mine out of the closet.
I see Christine with a beeg club with a spike in it.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 15:35:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: bluegrass (#1)
then there will be chrissy restraint. :)

christine posted on 2009-02-05 15:36:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: christine (#0)
I'm sorry. I have a tendency to get a little ticked off and use words I shouldnt when posting on certain JBT topics. So, if I am one of those mentioned, I apologize. If I'm not, I'll still try to do better.
This is too good a site to let it go downhill.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-02-05 15:37:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Cynicom (#10)
You better go looking for a halo.

I left mine on a bedpost somewhere. What's the cost of a replacement?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-05 15:37:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: PSUSA (#12)
This is too good a site to let it go downhill.

Agreed.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 15:39:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: farmfriend (#4)
Oh man. Well there goes my next post out the window. *sighs*

Now now, no worries, don't despair. It's all a question of semantics. For example, while it is not appropriate to say to any particular annoying dipwad on this forum something like "I am going to take you and feed you feet first into a wood-chipping machine, then take your pulverized remains and feed them to wild pigs, then pee on the pig droppings" you CAN say "Gosh, it would be a darn shame if some deranged psychopath were to take you and feed you feet first into a wood-chipping machine, then take your pulverized remains and feed them to wild pigs, then pee on the pig droppings. Would just break my heart." See how that works? Just a question of how you phrase it, that's all. Easy as pie.
*Whistles innocently* *looks around wide-eyed* *wonders if anyone buys it...*
Science flies you to the moon.
Religion flies you into buildings.

Elliott Jackalope posted on 2009-02-05 15:41:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: PSUSA, christine (#12)
I tend to get ticked off and use profanity when discussing the inhumane actions of Israel.
I will try to be good in the future.

Lady X posted on 2009-02-05 15:45:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: christine (#11)
"You have been banned for being too danged impolite" would be a rarity in this rude world.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-02-05 15:52:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: christine (#0)
Two 4um Rules

Thank God Love isn't one of them.
Erectus Walks Amongst Us
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2009-02-05 15:53:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: PSUSA, christine (#12)
This is too good a site to let it go downhill.

Agree.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-02-05 15:53:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine (#0)
I'm new here, thanks for the education.
My alter ego, Itisa1mosttoolate, thanks you too.

Itistoolate posted on 2009-02-05 15:54:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Cynicom, christine (#2)
This Country and its people are in great distress, which should be of our paramount interest, not this endless internecine battling among ourselves.

Methinks some of the more egregious malefactors have little to no interest in America or its people. If they can keep the more passionate of us riled up, discussion and insight is lost. F4 is a sort of a microcosm in this regard.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-02-05 15:55:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Lady X (#16)
I will try to be good in the future.

I checked with management, we are still allowed to punch, pummel, prod, prick, paste, pound,pulverize,prune and pulp Turtle anytime he shows up here.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 15:59:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: christine, Jethro Tull, Diana, All (#0)
Personally, I'm not opposed to any language, so long as it is used dynamically and within reasonable constraints. Occasionally, a "BAC" appears, needing verbal nuking; but that seems to be a rare event. Add Goldi, but she's on the other side of the cosmos.
Hmmm, I'd nearly forgotten Goldi. A good sign, I guess.
But, Chris, when you ask anyone to tone it down, it's got to be way out of hand, thus I trust your judgment. I think that stand would easily pass the forum consensus.

SKYDRIFTER posted on 2009-02-05 16:11:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Original_Intent (#6)
Profanity is never required to eviscerate the commentary of a drooling, slack jawed, perfidous, malignant, malefactorious, microencephalic, duplicitous, squirrel brained, lizard breathed, slimewad, of a no good back shooting yellow dog having miniscule intellect and discernment with morals that would make a Harlot blush.

LOL love your use of the word microencephalic!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-05 16:12:07 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Lady X, Christine, All (#16)
I will try to be good in the future.

That requires getting ticked off and using profanity when discussing the inhumane actions of Israel. (Or the USA, for that matter.)
Keep up the good work! {:-))

SKYDRIFTER posted on 2009-02-05 16:15:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Elliott Jackalope (#15)
Just a question of how you phrase it, that's all. Easy as pie.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-05 16:15:38 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#23)
thank you, SKY.

christine posted on 2009-02-05 16:19:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Elliott Jackalope (#15)
well done. ;)

christine posted on 2009-02-05 16:20:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: christine, All (#28)
well done. ;)

Read my few words on the thread titled The Million Gun Owners March. I only attacked the lousy crooked bastard politicans.

LACUMO posted on 2009-02-05 16:24:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: christine (#0)
(1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target

Gee whiz, not even Smilin' Bernie Made-Off?
You're gonna miss out on some good recipe threads.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2009-02-05 16:26:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: farmfriend (#24)
LOL love your use of the word microencephalic!

Thanks. I've always preferred it over the more plebeian "pinhead" as being a trifle more cutting. Of course the distinction is often lost on pinheads, after all they are pinheads.
However, I can't help thinking I left out an adjective or two. :-)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-02-05 16:47:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Original_Intent, christine (#6)
Profanity is never required to eviscerate the commentary of a drooling, slack jawed, perfidous, malignant, malefactorious, microencephalic, duplicitous, squirrel brained, lizard breathed, slimewad, of a no good back shooting yellow dog having miniscule intellect and discernment with morals that would make a Harlot blush.

Better than kicking a perfectly good dog. ;-)
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-05 17:17:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: James Deffenbach, Cynicom, tom007, christine (#7)
Is it okay if I call them homos?
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-05 17:54:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Turtle (#33)
Whatever gets your shell hard.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-02-05 18:15:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Cynicom, James Deffenbach, tom007, Lady X (#22) (Edited)
I checked with management, we are still allowed to punch, pummel, prod, prick, paste, pound,pulverize,prune and pulp Turtle anytime he shows up here.

Turtle laughs at you and your pitiful little army, which is what it would take to defeat Turtle, and even then you still couldn't do it, anyway.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-05 19:17:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Turtle (#35)
Turtle laughs at you and your pitiful little army, which is what it would take to defeat Turtle, and even then you still couldn't do it, anyway.

How's Michael doing these days? I heard or read somewhere that he had to sell Neverland. Sounds like you were a regular visitor there. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-05 20:29:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: farmfriend (#13)
I left mine on a bedpost somewhere.

Whose?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
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Critter posted on 2009-02-05 20:33:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#36)
Turtle laughs at your pathetic attempt at a comeback.
Get back to work, Buckwheat.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-05 20:33:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Turtle, all (#35)
I liked the pound and pulverize part. hehehehehehehehe

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 20:39:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Turtle (#38)
Get back to work, Buckwheat.

Well, if I actually were buh-weet I might say Otay but since that is just one of your hallucinogenic fantasies brought on by inordinate and copious use of illicit 'shrooms (or something), I will just point and laugh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-05 20:42:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Critter (#37)
Whose?

I don't kiss and tell but could you check around yours?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-05 20:55:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: farmfriend (#41)
could you check around yours?

well, what do you know... what have we here...
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Restaurants Schenectady, NY
Critter posted on 2009-02-05 21:00:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Rotara (#32) (Edited)
Better than kicking a perfectly good dog. ;-)

Or kicking a perfectly good anti-states rights wolf lobbyist

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
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X-15 posted on 2009-02-05 21:09:07 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: bluegrass (#21)
If they can keep the more passionate of us riled up, discussion and insight is lost.

~ Bingo! they win *s*

I don't feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. (Galileo Galilei)
Amandil posted on 2009-02-05 21:36:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: christine (#11)
then there will be chrissy restraint. :)

I hope we're talking those fuzzy handcuffs...the regular ones chafe the hell out of my wrists.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2009-02-05 22:26:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: X-15 (#43)
hehehehe
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-05 22:29:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Turtle (#35)
pitiful little army, which is what it would take to defeat Turtle

Might want to reconsider your syntax there bro.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-02-05 22:55:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: tom007 (#47)
Might want to reconsider your syntax there bro.

Is Turtle sinning again????

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-05 22:56:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: All (#47)
By the way those cheap Bell Hop pants you bot for cynicon, Jeff and me split, and, well, cynicon got the wait staff excited from the night before and lets just say you can deduct a couple of hours off from Thursdays time sheet.
Turtle Island is looking to be a pretty good place.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-02-05 22:59:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: tom007 (#47) (Edited)
pitiful little army, which is what it would take to defeat Turtle
Might want to reconsider your syntax there bro.

In defense of chelonian syntax, I will state unequivocally that what we have here is a fine specimen of a perfectly formed noun clause nested within a non- restrictive adjective clause modifying "army."
Turtle hammers out OK grammar on the keyboard, which never manages to interfere with his strange brand of reptilian logic.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA.
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randge posted on 2009-02-05 23:13:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Rotara, chritine (#32)
This is a welcome revision of the rules. Thank you.
Oh, lookie, the worst violator of such new standards of behavior demonstrates with his signature he still does not get it.
Listen Rotara, discussion that you do not agree with nor get does not then denote a '4UM traitor.'
Get a life, and get a clue.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-05 23:57:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: X-15 (#43) (Edited)
Or kicking a perfectly good anti-states rights wolf lobbyist

Don't use your anti-state smear tactic to villify someone with whom you disagree with concerning killing animals for fun, or from airplanes so that others can have the "pleasure" of killing larger trophies for their wall. Nobody said anything about taking rights away from states, but then again, do you think the state should have absolute power?
The aerial shooting of wolves from airplanes is more of a moral issue than a legal one.
However, the people of Alaska have TWICE banned aerial hunting in two separate referendums, but were twice overturned by their own legislature.
That's more of a politician's right (and those who bribe them) matter than a state's rights issue, as the people are obviously not being represented by their own elected officials.
Last time I checked, the state is supposed to represent the will of the PEOPLE of that state, not the interests of lobbyists who bribe the right people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-02-06 0:00:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: randge (#50)
Turtle hammers out OK grammar on the keyboard, which never manages to interfere with his strange brand of reptilian logic.

Turtle's Brain works ten times faster than his turtle paws.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-06 5:02:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Ferret Mike, Christine (#51)
This is a welcome revision of the rules. Thank you. This is a welcome revision of the rules. Thank you.

Mike...
Civility is always welcome.
We are all in the same boat, so whacking each other with the oars instead of rowing makes it tougher on the other oarsmen.
No one expects people to kiss and make up but a pat on the back now and then is helpful.
Whacking turtle is allowed.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-06 5:24:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Cynicom (#54)
Whacking turtle is allowed.

Like the MOB does it ??? or like sissies in canoes do it ???
If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.
Henry David Thoreau - 1849
noone222 posted on 2009-02-06 5:28:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: noone222 (#55)
or like sissies in canoes do it ???

Well, like sissies, cause none of us are mobsters and we do like to have Turtle to kick around. (Nixon)

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-06 5:31:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Cynicom (#56)
we do like to have Turtle to kick around. (Nixon)

Was Nixon "Gay" too ???
If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.
Henry David Thoreau - 1849
noone222 posted on 2009-02-06 5:33:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: noone222 (#57)
as Nixon "Gay" too ???

Good heavens, turtle is not gay. Just look at all the gurls we never see him with????
You mean he is funnin us rubes????

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-06 5:35:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: noone222, Cynicom (#57)
Was Nixon "Gay" too ???

Turtle detects a weasel.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-06 5:51:26 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: Turtle (#59)
No place is better than Turtle Island.

Take Interstate 40 East to the "Hershey Highway" ... make a "LEFT" and stop at the truck containing 2 400 lb. cross-dressers. Ask for Turtle !
If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.
Henry David Thoreau - 1849
noone222 posted on 2009-02-06 6:07:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Turtle, noone222, Cynicom (#59)
Was Nixon "Gay" too ???

I don't think turtle is gay. Heck, only a real "man" could get it up with turtle's "babes". I don't think even I am man enough for that, and I sure as shit ain't gay.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
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Critter posted on 2009-02-06 6:12:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Critter (#61)
I don't think turtle is gay. Heck, only a real "man" could get it up with turtle's "babes". I don't think even I am man enough for that, and I sure as shit ain't gay.

Valid point, for sure.
If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.
Henry David Thoreau - 1849
noone222 posted on 2009-02-06 7:19:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: ferret mike (#51)
Listen Rotara, discussion that you do not agree with nor get does not then denote a '4UM traitor.'
Get a life, and get a clue.

You'd look good with a pin pulled grenade in your mouth.
Or standing up against a wall.
Or under a bus.
You World Communist Traitor against America and every patriot alive or dead.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-06 10:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: Cynicom, ferret mike (#54)
Mike...
Civility is always welcome.
We are all in the same boat, so whacking each other with the oars instead of rowing makes it tougher on the other oarsmen.
No one expects people to kiss and make up but a pat on the back now and then is helpful.
Whacking turtle is allowed.

If that malodorous rodent Traitor were found on my side of the wire in or my boat I assure you the rodent would be dead quickly.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-06 10:25:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: Rotara (#63)
Didn't you take the time to read what Christine has just said about making threats against members here?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-02-06 10:32:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Rotara, christine (#63)
Unlike you, I have used grenades and have learned the proper way to use them. And I have been to war, have you?
You are a loud mouth and a braggard with no concern for anything that is not your brand of maglomania and intolersnt political dogma.
You dance at the edge of the new policy challenging it in a passive agressive fashion every bit as much as you do your little blow fish, or male peacock routine with me trying to impress yourself and others.
Your use of patriot to cloak the true nature of brown boot behavior that systematically and thugishly eradicates what to people like you is unacceptable political advocacy and belief is contrary to the mission and purpose of this board. That you allegedly speak for the only true, patriotic perspective that should be tolerated is your little way to resonate with the sort of spirit Adolph Hitler operated in, nothing more.
And here I don't have to do more than point out the obvious, as you are definitely more then willing and able to continually discredit yourself and show you are a thug wannabe, nothing more.
Your childish and malicious use of violent references as to how opponents of yours' should be handled makes it clear to me that it is you, not me who are on the wrong board.
This is a free speech zone, not a place to bully and threaten to attempt to drive others away or threaten their existence.
Whine to someone else, like someone who actually gives a shit about your garbage. You are pathetic and amusing to me, little else.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 0:54:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: FormerLurker (#65) (Edited)
Heh, since when did his hindmost ever care a bit about anything else then what his highly developed sense of megalomania produces?
He doesn't care about what Christine does or says; only what he things, says and does.
He is, in his opinion here to dictate, not listen to others.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 1:07:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: ferret mike, weasel mike (#66)
Once again you little f**king World Socialist Obamalamadingdong pond scum sucking Traitor; you can't talk your way out of it. You asked for it, you're going to get it.
Did you get your MillionCivilian Osnitch Corps assignment yet, you lying sack of shit America hater ?
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 9:53:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Rotara, christine (#68) (Edited)
You are a coward, and a fuck wad. Naturally one of the ways you like to shut down conversation and discussion is to accuse people of belonging to a conspiracy.
Nobody gives marching orders to me, which you don't care, as the goal you serve is to shut people up, and to try to dehumanize them.
I am here to tell you the bullying does not work, you do not scare me nor am I intimidated. I am disappointed this forum administration is gutless enough to put up with you, but as for you, clown, you don't mean shit to me.
You are ignorant, intolerant, and here to shut down lively debate and discussion if one of the participants makes you wet your pants in anger because you disagree with them so.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 11:32:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
O-ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-ma!
Got Meadowgrass?
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-02-07 11:43:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#69)
I am disappointed this forum administration is gutless enough to put up with you....

You're lashing out from frustration, and in so doing you're also taking advantage of christine's good nature and high pain threshold.
Let he who is without iniquity impart inertia to the first projectile.
And, for the record it takes an incredible amount of guts to defend this free speech principle and policy.
chris is a better man than me because (if it was up to me) I'd have kicked some folks to the moon by now.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 11:43:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: HOUNDDAWG (#71) (Edited)
And your opinion on this new death threat by Rot? Why do you try to bring fire to me and do not put heat to someone who takes pains to go against her policy stated in this thread. If you want to make an impact on me that causes pause, you don't do so by being unbalanced in your approach.
Unless you address that too, your words mean nothing here.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 11:48:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Original_Intent (#70)
I do not agree with the new POTUS on everything, and would love to engage in lively discussion in regards to him.
But if there is a lynch mob's air of intolerance to discussion that keeps the setting on never respecting those who disagree with the mindset views that are solely allowed to be in play, I am not going to go out of my way to waste my time discussing with those who respect only their clique and mindset.
I am here to tell you I am not gone from here either. I am impossible to drive away.
I am fine with annoying you, right back at you.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 11:58:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: Ferret Mike, Original_Intent (#73)
I am here to tell you I am not gone from here either. I am impossible to drive away.

Obama is quite the disappointment isn’t he?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-02-07 12:00:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
FWIW I'd trust you over hounddog, any day, were the shit to hit the proverbial fan. Politically we are not on the same side, not even close, but at least you're honest about it and you probably have a better understanding on what we freedom lovers are up against. Unlike hounddog who is nothing more than a french surrender monkey and probably a cop too.

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PSUSA posted on 2009-02-07 12:01:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
I stated my opinion in private and he politely acknowledged it.
To have done so publicly would have defeated the purpose because his personality is different from yours and it would have almost certainly resulted in a "FUCK OFF!" had I posted for all to see.
Now, we need to discuss your schedule to fit you in to the penalty box, because you certainly know better than to kick chris in the puss when you're upset.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 12:02:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Rotara, Christine, Ferret Mike (#68) (Edited)
you little f**king World Socialist Obamalamadingdong

Few things get up my nose like seeing another puppet in office after enduring eight years of Jr. If there is anything else that makes my eyes bleed it's a defense of the current Zero in the White House. It's just icing on the cake to see someone who can spell, and is otherwise seems to be a reasonable human being defend him.
That's Ferret.
But look:
"If that malodorous rodent Traitor were found on my side of the wire in or my boat I assure you the rodent would be dead quickly."
That is out of line. I think you need to control your temper. I share your hostility toward the forces now on the march that are going to send this country down the drain. But your comments, prove nothing, advance nothing, and do you no credit.
This kind of back and forth looks better over on LP. It makes the forum an ignorant echo chamber of pointless vituperation. We've seen enough of it. It goes nowhere.
Chrissy's right. We need to draw a line somewhere. I think suggesting that someone stick a grenade in his chops and pull the pin is a bit rich. I think both of you should retire to your corners.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 12:09:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Ferret Mike (#73)
intolerance

Can u please stop with the PC buzz words? They might be appropriate for Psych 101 at some university of lower learning, but honest to christ they irritate the crap out of me.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 12:12:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
You forgot "lynch mob."
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 12:15:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: HOUNDDAWG (#76)
I am fair to Christine not with abuse, but with a refusal to pander to her. I consider her a friend, and I tell friends when I disagree with them or where I see hypocrisy in regards to their actions or lack thereof.
She is free to take issue with me or agree, I will listen. I refuse to be a blind Rotara with a confirmed thirst for the blood of those disagreeing with him, and who is obviously in the middle of having a bad Charlie Manson complex.
If she takes issue with me, I always listen. My point is, not enough people take the time to listen to others, or respect the process of dialog or discussion in here.
What is the point of a free speech forum if the main point of many is to drive away opposing views? I am here to tell you, this is not how free speech works.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 12:20:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: randge (#79)
lynch mob

Thanks, you're right. That phrase, to me, is meant to conger up an image of the Jim Crow South, circa, 1930. Victimhood makes my stomach churn.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 12:21:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: randge, Rotara, christine, Ferret Mike (#77)
Your post and my PM to Rotara are similar but that is coincidental.
For the record you and I don't chat in private at all.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 12:22:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: ferret mike, weasel mike, Feral Reserve Globalist Party World Socialist Traitor (#80)
How about a magic trick mikey ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:26:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: randge, Rotara, Ferret Mike (#77)
Chrissy's right. We need to draw a line somewhere. I think suggesting that someone stick a grenade in his chops and pull the pin is a bit rich. I think both of you should retire to your corners.

Well said, randge. I hope your advice is followed.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-02-07 12:26:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: scrapper2 (#84)
Well said, randge. I hope your advice is followed.

I'm glad you're here.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:27:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
Oh yes, I know that makes your head swim, but no; I like diversity. It is a strength and a central notion to what the U.S.A. is, and that's just a fact of life you have to deal wiyh and come to terms about.
It is something I am a proponent of. But thanks for sharing anyway.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 12:27:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: Jethro Tull (#86)
that's just a fact of life you have to deal wiyh and come to terms about

Like I said..
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:28:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: HOUNDDAWG (#82)
For the record you and I don't chat in private at all.

No, we don't.
But that's not because I hold anything against you.

Cheers.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 12:30:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Ferret Mike, HOUNDDAWG (#80)
but with a refusal to pander to her.

Exactly what does this mean??
Do you not understand that she is your hostess and you are a guest?
Reminds me of an old Turkish saying--'The guest is the donkey of the host'..

Lady X posted on 2009-02-07 12:33:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Lady X (#89)
Exactly what does this mean??
Do you not understand that she is your hostess and you are a guest?
Reminds me of an old Turkish saying--'The guest is the donkey of the host'..

Prediction: the world socialist traitors will once again hijack FREEDOM4um and use it to advance their anti-American agenda.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:35:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: Rotara (#90)
Prediction: the world socialist traitors will once again hijack FREEDOM4um and use it to advance their anti-American agenda.

Impossible.
Too many hardheads here.
You can rack 'em. You can waterboard them.
They will never change.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 12:41:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
I am fair to Christine not with abuse, but with a refusal to pander to her. I consider her a friend, and I tell friends when I disagree with them or where I see hypocrisy in regards to their actions or lack thereof.
She is free to take issue with me or agree, I will listen. I refuse to be a blind Rotara with a confirmed thirst for the blood of those disagreeing with him, and who is obviously in the middle of having a bad Charlie Manson complex.
If she takes issue with me, I always listen. My point is, not enough people take the time to listen to others, or respect the process of dialog or discussion in here.
What is the point of a free speech forum if the main point of many is to drive away opposing views? I am here to tell you, this is not how free speech works.

*sigh*
She's a little tired right now. You may recall that a high profile patriot-on air personality recently criticized 4um, and it seems that the longest winded folks are also the same people who never acquainted themselves with the clear and unambiguous mission statement.
She shouldn't have to retread old ground in a pointy, prickly exchange with you, Mikey. You know her feelings as well as anyone. I know that you feel as if the 271st VietCong Regiment is honeymooning in your skivvies when certain folks gang up on you.
But, hey, chris doesn't take sides when I'm getting gang fanged, either. Sometimes I have to step back because even if I "really tell them bastards!" it's bad for my health and the net gain is zip.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 12:42:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: randge (#88)
But that's not because I hold anything against you.

Roger that.
Thanks.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 12:43:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: randge (#91)
Impossible.
Too many hardheads here.
You can rack 'em. You can waterboard them.
They will never change.

It wasn't impossible during the height of the last selection.
This was Fobama Central Station. The faux Ron Paul supporters turned out to be world socialist anti-American moles.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:44:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: Lady X (#89)
Yes, and I have been on many forums since the mid ninties, and understand well the role and perogeratives if forum management. I am criticising here in a constructive manner that even falls smackly under the aupices of the thread topic at hand.
I would be out of line to call her names, threaten of to bully; however even hosts are not above the law in certain aspects of the mix in forum.
It is actually a pander and less then an act of friendship not to espress exactly what you feel about a situation or if you desire management to either rebut the point, or walk the walk of the talk.
Along with regard and deference one gets as a leader comes responsibility and accountibility. I wouldn't bother to post what I did if I did not value her friendship. IT is sad you do not see this or understand this. But in the current intolrant mindset of many in this forum, you do not surprise me by your comments.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 12:45:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: christine (#0)
do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target

I would love to smack Alan Greenspan on the side of the head (hypothetically)
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
purpleman posted on 2009-02-07 12:46:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: ferret mike (#95)
But in the current intolrant mindset of many in this forum, you do not surprise me by your comments.

Anyone that tolerates you America hating fucking Traitors is worse than worthless.
You vipers make the bushbots seem tame.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 12:50:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: HOUNDDAWG (#92)
You may recall that a high profile patriot-on air personality recently criticized 4um,

Who was that "high profile patriot on air personality"? How weird...

scrapper2 posted on 2009-02-07 12:51:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: HOUNDDAWG (#92)
You may recall that a high profile patriot-on air personality recently criticized 4um

What was that about?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2009-02-07 12:51:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: Ferret Mike (#95)
IT is sad you do not see this or understand this.

What I saw was the use of the word 'pander'.
You really shouldn't have gone there.

Lady X posted on 2009-02-07 12:52:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Ferret Mike (#86)
I like diversity. It is a strength.

I know you like diversity, and that's why you are a political side show. Liberals like you have redefined the purpose of racial preference policies as "promoting diversity." Diversity translated out of Orwellian Newspeak into English, means government approved racial discrimination against "non-Hispanic white" Americans. Diversity, by definition, empowers and grows central government, thereby removing both personal freedom and tax dollars from my pocket. In that regard, proponents of diversity are enemies to a constitutional republic despite whatever they say to the contrary.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 12:56:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: HOUNDDAWG (#92)
"She shouldn't have to retread old ground in a pointy, prickly exchange with you, Mike"

Part of the baggage that goes with leadership on the macro, or posting a thread like this on the micro is the boredom and even agrivation of process.
Your argument that she should post a thread about an obviously nessesary rule change children like Rot beg for and then not follow through with the easily anticipatable process that owning a venue for discussion on the Internet or creating an administrator's announcement threat will cause makes little sense.
I am glad you are gentleman enough to defense Christine, but I assure you, I am not out of the envalope of what is acceptable behavior.
You know who here is, talk to him. You have no foundation to build plausible angles of attack regarding my words here. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 12:57:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: ferret mike (#102)
Part of the baggage that goes with leadership on the macro, or posting a thread like this on the micro is the boredom and even agrivation of process.
Your argument that she should post a thread about an obviously nessesary rule change children like Rot beg for and then not follow through with the easily anticipatable process that owning a venue for discussion on the Internet or creating an administrator's announcement threat will cause makes little sense.
I am glad you are gentleman enough to defense Christine, but I assure you, I am not out of the envalope of what is acceptable behavior.
You know who here is, talk to him. You have no foundation to build plausible angles of attack regarding my words here. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

he he he he heeeeee
FOFLOL !!!
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:00:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: Lady X (#100)
Wrong, as you wish me to ignore the opened floor for discussion in topic on this thread if any observation might cause Christine to counter my words.
My words are an invitation for her to do so, and I assure you I always listen when she or someone else I talk to posts back - or posts in general in forum for that matter.
To not say my mind in this context as not to possibly discomfort an Emperor by perhaps mentioning he has no clothes would to be living in the mindset of the people of that particular story's mindset which is so amusingly lampooned there.
No, I like and respect Christine, so I say exactly what I have on my mind to her.
And am more then willing to her hr rebuttal or respect her actions and decisions. Even if I do not concur with them.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:05:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: PSUSA, Ferret Mike (#75)
FWIW I'd trust you over hounddog, any day, were the shit to hit the proverbial fan.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 13:07:09 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#104)
Wrong, as you wish me to ignore the opened floor for discussion in topic on this thread if any observation might cause Christine to counter my words.
My words are an invitation for her to do so, and I assure you I always listen when she or someone else I talk to posts back - or posts in general in forum for that matter.
To not say my mind in this context as not to possibly discomfort an Emperor by perhaps mentioning he has no clothes would to be living in the mindset of the people of that particular story's mindset which is so amusingly lampooned there.
No, I like and respect Christine, so I say exactly what I have on my mind to her.
And am more then willing to her hr rebuttal or respect her actions and decisions. Even if I do not concur with them.

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
You take up a lot of space saying absolutely nothing.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:08:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#92)
You may recall that a high profile patriot-on air personality recently criticized 4um,

Really? I missed that. Can you clue some of us slow ones in?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 13:12:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: Rotara (#94)
The faux Ron Paul supporters turned out to be world socialist anti-American moles.

that really surprised me.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 13:13:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#97) (Edited)
But in the current intolrant mindset of many in this forum, you do not surprise me by your comments.
Anyone that tolerates you America hating fucking Traitors is worse than worthless.

I like: "I would enjoy breaking the nose of anyone that tolerates America hating fucking Traitors with the butt of my rifle."
Mikey, right now, everything is being stolen from us. Everything we've worked for. And the feeling here is NO ONE in Washington is going to do anything to make that get any better. Moreover, there is an ingrained opinion that those who are allowed to get within an inch of power are doing everything in THEIR power to make things WORSE.
Now with that in mind, you know who you are dealing with here. People know they're being ROBBED. They could care less about, and give a shit about lectures on about "responsiblity and accountablity."
Folks are becoming more interested in the prospect of salutary homicide than in 20th century social rhetoric.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 13:15:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: farmfriend (#108)
The faux Ron Paul supporters turned out to be world socialist anti-American moles.
that really surprised me.

They effed up with that strategy. That type of betrayal leaves no room for maneuvering. I'm glad they did it, but I shall NEVER forgive them. Up to the point of death.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:16:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: Ferret Mike (#102)
You know who here is, talk to him. You have no foundation to build plausible angles of attack regarding my words here. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

It's ironic that with the whole worldwide web at your fingertips you chose to make this place home. Obviously there are places where you'd be a star and very little rancor would ever erupt because folks there who share your politics would find you fascinating and a real asset.
Perhaps you like being pummeled and simultaneously feeling that it's your destiny to improve christine's character?
And, you didn't feel obliged to seek her leave before heaping up steaming ladles of character building advice on her, right?
I never thought that I'd have to bring this up to you, but, I actually had to tell two very nasty boys at Liberty Forum that talking with chris is a privilege, and then jerk both of their tickets. (And, YES she respected my decision because I was serving as her "lawyer" at the time and she never dialogued with either of them ever again.)
Would it serve any purpose to point out that you invite controversy, and that you obviously don't feel the need to ask anyone's permission before offering your opinions about them?
And, you are intelligent, polite and sensitive enough to know when you're frustrated and lashing out, hence a different standard applies when I make unsolicited observations concerning you.
And, frankly I was a little disappointed to learn that you posted under a phony screen name and denied it when asked if it was you. (several months back)
So, having seen that it's not out of the realm of possibility that you use your eloquence to hide a childish and willful stubbornness, and at times a tad of intellectual dishonesty.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-07 13:16:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: Rotara (#97)
"Anyone that tolerates you America hating fucking Traitors is worse than worthless."

And how is someone who here is making an impassioned rebuttal of the First Amendment and the right to free speech by dehumanizing and calling for the death of those who do not agree with you respect for this country or it's constitution going to impress anyone with nonsense such as you serve up here?
You are a baby, who's mind and heart resonates more with fictional villains who fight fictional bat men and their implausible cinematic antics then with our founding fathers, and what they believed and build.
You have not a single idea of what they fought for and why, you just are to full of notions of destroying all opposition, which is a fascist mindset, not one of a man who cherishes freedom and the inalienable rights of human beings everywhere.
You no doubt would like to put on the airsd of a Thomas Jefferson, but you actually have the stink of Hitler to you.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:16:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: Rotara (#110)
I'm glad they did it, but I shall NEVER forgive them. Up to the point of death.

Yeah I hear ya. I don't get over things easily and betrayal is the worst.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 13:18:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: randge (#109)
But in the current intolrant mindset of many in this forum, you do not surprise me by your comments.
Anyone that tolerates you America hating fucking Traitors is worse than worthless.

I like: "I would enjoy breaking the nose of anyone that tolerates America hating fucking Traitors with the butt of my rifle."
Mikey, right now, everything is being stolen from us. Everything we've worked for. And the feeling here is NO ONE in Washington is going to do anything to make that get any better. Moreover, there is an ingrained opinion that those who are allowed to get within a inch of power are doing everything in THEIR power to make things WORSE.
Now with that in mind, you know who you are dealing with here. People know they're being ROBBED. They could care less about, and give a shit about lectures on about "responsiblity and accountablity."
Folks are becoming more interested in the procpect of salutary homicide than in 20th century social rhetoric.

The days for the stupid dance are over.
This is war and the enemy within couldn't be more clear.
It's time we answered the call and reached CONSCIOUSNESS about our plight.
S#it, CPS hauled off another pile of children for the Motherland while we were typing.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:18:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: ferret mike, weasel mike (#112)
How dare you quote Jefferson you fucking Obot Traitor.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:19:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: christine (#0)
I gotta mow the lawn.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 13:25:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: HOUNDDAWG (#111)
"And, frankly I was a little disappointed to learn that you posted under a phony screen name and denied it when asked if it was you. (several months back)"

Well, since long before I have ever been here I have long known to be a starter of returning bannee accounts, and that one did not cross any likes any of the other obviously phony and meant to lampoon accounts in here from time to time.
I respected Christine's request to own the account you speak of, so I did so. I didn't do so because I wanted to do so. It served it's purpose which was always very narrow in scope.
I wanted to get in touch with a couple of folks Goldi's rude and irrational banning of me I could only touch via an account there, and it allowed me to have a bit of fun around election time at LP.
Your criticism is noted and I respect it. If fact, for the most part, I have learned all I had to learn from exploring the tactics of opening returning bannee accounts at places like the Free Republic, and part of this being so is because I do recognize when and when now when it is pointless, or a waste of time. Thanks for the feedback, hope mine here to you helped some.
I would also point out to that I knew quite well I was obviously being myself and recognizable at the end of that account, I obviously was not hiding.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:32:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: randge (#116)
I gotta mow the lawn.

LOL!

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 13:33:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: ferret mike (#117)
Well, since long before I have ever been here I have long known to be a starter of returning bannee accounts, and that one did not cross any likes any of the other obviously phony and meant to lampoon accounts in here from time to time.
I respected Christine's request to own the account you speak of, so I did so. I didn't do so because I wanted to do so. It served it's purpose which was always very narrow in scope.
I wanted to get in touch with a couple of folks Goldi's rude and irrational banning of me I could only touch via an account there, and it allowed me to have a bit of fun around election time at LP.
Your criticism is noted and I respect it. If fact, for the most part, I have learned all I had to learn from exploring the tactics of opening returning bannee accounts at places like the Free Republic, and part of this being so is because I do recognize when and when now when it is pointless, or a waste of time. Thanks for the feedback, hope mine here to you helped some.
I would also point out to that I knew quite well I was obviously being myself and recognizable at the end of that account, I obviously was not hiding.

you snake
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:39:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: Rotara (#110)
"They effed up with that strategy. That type of betrayal leaves no room for maneuvering. I'm glad they did it, but I shall NEVER forgive them. Up to the point of death."

Heh, I really like Dr. Paul and he would be an exceptional POTUS. I have always always always stated very plainly stainly one, that I do not agree with many of his proposals.
I respect his leadership ability, common sense approach to things and he would be better at healing the rifts that divide us as a people, so I was right to support him in the primaries.
You wanting to twist my words and wanting to paint me as dishonest and a poser is your problem, not mine.
I really lie and respect Ron Paul, and it is your problem you don't see that nor understand why I do, not mine.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: Rotara (#119)
I even had John Robinson come into Jimrob's LP thread he started on a visit to blast me. It's always nice to know when they show they care. ;-)
In any event, call me a snake, but I do actually identify myself my real name and local. So really, why should I mind if you take issue with what I have done with returning bannee accounts, ultimately I always have owned every one of them as well. I would say the snake is you, someone who threatens someone else and does so with their ID shrouded.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:45:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: ferret mike (#120)
Heh, I really like Dr. Paul and he would be an exceptional POTUS. I have always always always stated very plainly stainly one, that I do not agree with many of his proposals.
I respect his leadership ability, common sense approach to things and he would be better at healing the rifts that divide us as a people, so I was right to support him in the primaries.
You wanting to twist my words and wanting to paint me as dishonest and a poser is your problem, not mine.
I really lie and respect Ron Paul, and it is your problem you don't see that nor understand why I do, not mine.

Oh stop it already. Enough of your lying bull shit.
Enough already.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:45:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: Rotara (#122)
It's not all bs. He said he lied. Did you not notice that? I know it must be a lie to claim to respect Ron Paul and then vote for someone who is about as close to a mirror opposite as you could ever hope to find.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 13:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: Rotara (#122)
Actually, I am quite consistent. I say nothing here I have not always said in regards to Ron Paul.
You see, my words are belief based, yours' here are spin meant to denigrate me and to try to assassinate my character.
I really admired William O. Douglas, Wayne Morse, Ron Paul and others for the same thing, the passions they have or had to defend their beliefs and because of their deep personal integrity.
That is just fact, regardless of whatever spin you would like to try to weave.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:52:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: James Deffenbach (#123) (Edited)
I noticed I said I have been a disruption at Free Republic and LP. Then ultimately owned the efforts.
I supported Ron Paul in the primaries, and I was disappointed he did so poorly, and see where this lack of support was manipulated.
I at no time ever claimed to be a proponent of many line items on his personal agenda, so Rot's whine is pointless.
That he does not understand you can disagree with someone yet still like or even support them is in fact the central notion that is the keystone to his personal problems here. Not to mention it is the root as well of his apparent love of the fascist passion to utterly destroy any opposition you might have politically or socially.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 13:59:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: ferret mike (#124)
LOL
blah blah blah my name is corn flake world socialist mikey mckarthy and I'm a fucking liar and Traitor blah blah blah
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 13:59:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
Your words: I really lie and respect Ron Paul

I doubt many people believe you ever supported Ron or respect him when you admitted voting for Obama. Obama is the mirror opposite of Ron Paul. You may have never heard this before but anyone who can hold two contradictory thoughts, thoughts which are unalterably opposed, and consider them both valid, is quite likely insane.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 14:04:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
who can hold two contradictory thoughts, thoughts which are unalterably opposed, and consider them both valid, is quite likely insane.

Turtle's Brain is large and can hold many contradictory thoughts, and Turtle is completely sane.
Turtle knows what you are thinking, so you'd better quit it and not even post it.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 14:07:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
Obama is the mirror opposite of Ron Paul

As in Obama is a socialist and RP is a constitutionalist. They're mutually exclusive, and therefore exchanging support from one to the other is a steaming pile.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 14:13:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: Turtle (#128)
Two words for you; apalone spinifera.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-02-07 14:15:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: Rotara (#126) (Edited)
You really aught to leave the warm, comforting fires of your carefully cultivated megalomania and try to join the real world, Rot old bean.
You know things are not always going to go your own way, so you seek to cultivate 4UM as your own personal garden of intolerant hatred and delightful bigotries where you can rhetorically give workshops how to banzai tree one's mind into a narrow and dwarfish manner to anyone willing to blindly listen to you.
Worry about the deceit in your own personal agendas. You worry too much about others to try to spare you the pain of actually dealing with your own personal devils, so I do feel sorry for you.
You do not scare me, you also do not do more then annoy me. I take comfort in the wisdom to the truth that one like you is always their own worst enemy.
I also know you are heady with delight about how this thread is going as you always love it to be all about you. Why, the first thing you did was to violate the policy this thread addresses, you it is you who are the flamer craving attention here sport, not me. Your worst enemy is the truth, that is the bottom line.
Kill anyone because their beliefs offend yours', other people will fill the niche of defending the ideas of those you shed blood with instead of diologing with them. Ideas are stronger bullets, you really do need to come to terms with that simple truth.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 14:20:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: Ferret Mike, rotara (#131)
I KNOW you two gentlemen will comport yourselves in such manner so as to NOT bring the wrath of Thor down upon you.
Christine would be even worse, so consider yourselves as warned.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 14:24:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
Well, you differ in opinion about Barack Obama then I, so I do not share your sense of there being cognitive dissonance to how I ultimately decide whom to vote for in the general election.
There was pragmatism to both my support of Dr. Paul and the eventual winner of this election. either man is a perfect fit for my belief system, but I have come to terms with that.
I am glad Ron Paul is doing what he is doing. But I am and always have been pro amnesty for illegal immigrants, and other things he likes, I don't.
And I never made that a secret. Thus this contrivance of an alleged deceit by me for my willingness to take the leap of faith to support Ron Paul in the primaries holds no water.
I would never support a Chuck Baldwin, for POTUS, but any man or woman of deep integrity and personal courage and leadership ability is what I first look for when deciding on someone, not their ideology.
And yes, I know that in your world that sounds irrational, but it works in mine.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 14:35:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: Cynicom (#132)
Yes Cyni, it is 'comporting' to know you are out there always to slop a little social grease on the situation. ;-)

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-07 14:37:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#122)
I believe Mike when he says he voted Ron Paul in the primaries.

Old Friend posted on 2009-02-07 14:41:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: Ferret Mike (#134)
Mike...
Well thank you, I think.
I have been thrown out of several chat rooms and forums but never for untoward language or vicious attacks. There is far too much hate in this world to warrant propagating more.
I can abide everyone here except that Turtle.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 14:42:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Cynicom (#136)
Does your wanting to nuke Israel count as a vicious attack?

Old Friend posted on 2009-02-07 14:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: Old Friend (#137)
I was speaking of personal attacks. Attacking Ishrul is a cultural attack. BOOM...
Lot of boom for our bucks.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 14:52:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: Cynicom (#138)
Oh ok. So nuking Israel is less offensive then say Rotoras curse words. Got ya.

Old Friend posted on 2009-02-07 14:54:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: Old Friend (#139)
Hey, rotara can stand on his own two feet.
I mite even lob one or two in your direction. hehehehe

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 15:01:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: Cynicom (#136)
I can abide everyone here except that Turtle.

You are envious of Turtle because he is a King and you are a bellhop, ha ha ha!
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 15:08:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Turtle (#141)
If you want to make tom, James and me envious, show us just ONE photo of Turtle and a babe.
You cant and you know it.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 15:11:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: Cynicom (#142)
If you want to make tom, James and me envious, show us just ONE photo of Turtle and a babe.
You cant and you know it.

Turtle only has pictures of him and babes from college, but none after.
Here is another one I found, ha ha!
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 15:23:06 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: Turtle (#143)
Looks like a nice, clean cut girl.
How'd she wind up with a swamp dweller like you??
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 15:27:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: randge, turtle (#144)
How'd she wind up with a swamp dweller like you??

Hehehehehehehehehehe
Good one, zing that turtle good.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 15:34:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: (#107)
"You may recall that a high profile patriot-on air personality recently criticized 4um,"
"Really? I missed that. Can you clue some of us slow ones in?"

Yes, it seems that we were once visited by the august. His name brings up one post on the 4um search engine.
He was highly exercised by the antics of our resident swamp dweller and expressed the thought that this poster's posts did not live up to the standards and tone that christine and her husband were trying to set on this forum.
Some of the posters disagreed.
john stadtmiller
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 15:42:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: Ferret Mike, rotara (#131)
Kill anyone because their beliefs offend yours

Kinda like the socialist government you defend.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

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You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
ALAS, BABYLON
IndieTX posted on 2009-02-07 15:44:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: farmfriend (#107)
Post #146 was meant to be pinged to you, farmfriend.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 15:46:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: randge (#148)
Post #146 was meant to be pinged to you, farmfriend.

Ah thank you.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 15:52:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: IndieTX (#147)
"Kill anyone because their beliefs offend yours"
"Kinda like the socialist government you defend."

Civilians killed in Iraq since Obama was elected: 1157 - 1265

Coalition forces killed in Iraq since Obama was elected: 48
obamabodycount.org/
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 15:52:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: IndieTX (#147)
Kill anyone because their beliefs offend yours
Kinda like the socialist government you defend.

Kool-Aid slinging World Socialists wipe their ass with the Constitution and BoRs.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 15:58:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: randge, HOUNDDAWG, christine (#146)
Yes, it seems that we were once visited by the august. His name brings up one post on the 4um search engine.
He was highly exercised by the antics of our resident swamp dweller and expressed the thought that this poster's posts did not live up to the standards and tone that christine and her husband were trying to set on this forum.
Some of the posters disagreed.

I remember that! I was one who disagreed. I thought the guy was a Biblical mode of transportation. (note my attempt to avoid bad language) Too bad he didn't stick around and get to know people here.

That's one of the problems I have with the Republicans. They don't seemed opposed to fascism. Like the Dems they just control that which they don't agree with. Glad I'm out of the party.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-07 15:59:03 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: Turtle (#143) (Edited)
{Comment pulled - wudidiz showing off}
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz posted on 2009-02-07 16:01:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: wudidiz (#153)
Oh no you din't !
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:04:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#155. To: randge (#146)
john stadtmiller

Google him. What a drama queen. He said she said Alex said etc etc etc ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!!.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-02-07 16:05:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#156. To: PSUSA (#155)
John Stadtmiller
Stadtmiller operates the RBN radio network (www.rbnlive.com). He also published Karl Schwarz's book, and he was supporting Schwarz for president in 2008.
How can anybody consider Schwarz to be an improvement over George Bush or John Kerry? Has Stadtmiller been fooled by Schwarz? Or do they work together to deceive us? How can we respect Stadtmiller when he looks up to Karl Schwarz? Something is seriously wrong here!
Also, look at his radio network. I realize that it is difficult to find people to do honest radio shows, but take a look at some of the radio hosts on the RBN radio network:

I thought that was if nothing else..interesting. I 'heard' him a time or two but he had no traction with me. Now that he's come onto 4um to take some shots and run, I'll see what else I can dig up.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:14:21 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#157. To: PSUSA, farmfriend (#155)
What a drama queen.

Yeah, it would have been nice if he had taken a moment once in a while to chat with us. But I'm sure he's too busy saving the Republic.
He hints that he has some kind of relationship with or knowledge of christine. He might have shown a little interest in that case instead of breezing in just to kneecap us and then disappear.
Careless PR in any case.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 16:17:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#158. To: All (#156)
Jeff Rense, Alex Jones, Mike Rivero
Jeff Rense (www.rense.com) promotes both Karl Schwarz and Jon Carlson.

Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) promotes Jeff Rense, and appears on Rense's radio show.
Mike Rivero (www.WhatReallyHappened.com) promotes Alex Jones and appears on Jones' radio show.
Thousands of us used to trust Alex Jones, but it has become obvious that he is trying to minimize the role of Zionism and blame the world's corruption on mysterious entities, such as Germanic Death Cults, Luciferian Controllers, and the New World Order.

You can find more information on why many of us believe Rense and Jones are part of the criminal network in such documents as:
• DarylBradfordSmith_Carlson.htm
• DarylBradfordSmith_myspace.html
You will learn more about Zionism by avoiding Jones and Rivero and remaining on my website.
Also, take a close look at how stupid Rivero's defense of the official theory of Flight 77 is:
whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

You should at least read the first three paragraphs of that article. Rivero expects us to believe that in the "near future" photographs or video will be discovered that shows Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon, and we will all be embarrassed for suspecting the government lied about Flight 77.
You might expect that after five years Rivero could have figured out that Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon. His defense of the Apollo moon landing is also stupid.
Rivero is obviously lying about many issues. The question is why?

Oy Vey ! This guy must post to 4um what with his Joooooo obsession !
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:17:18 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: randge, christine, john stadtmiller (#157)
He hints that he has some kind of relationship with or knowledge of christine.

Christine, you're tight with john s. - what's up with his hit and run stuff ? Is he a Mod on 4um ?
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:19:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: Rotara (#158)
I dunno. Alex pastes the Mossad/Zion etc. regularly.
I personally think that Zionism in its various flavors is a tool of the NWO too and will ultimately be betrayed by it as well.
Just my opinion.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 16:22:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: All (#158)
John Stadtmiller
becomes an inspiration!
Or, was it just another attempt to make me look bad?
by Eric Hufschmid

On Friday, 14 July 2006, one of John Stadtmiller's employees at the Republic Broadcasting Network notified him about this article (fixed the link) of mine.

It was a few minutes before his radio show was to begin. He was upset to find himself and others accused of possible links to a criminal network. He decided to put aside whatever he was originally planning to talk about on the radio show and deal with this issue. He called me on the phone, and asked me to come on his show to explain my article.
Even though Stadtmiller is suspicious, you ought to be impressed by his desire to face a problem, and give me the chance to explain myself.
Imagine if America had more people like this. Imagine if more people -- when faced with problems -- dropped whatever they were doing and decided to face their problems immediately.
And imagine that despite their anger they give their critics a serious chance to explain themselves, as opposed to the attacks we see on CNN, Air America, PBS, etc.
You can find this interview at the RBN site:
http://216.240.133.177/Stadtmiller/06/#July
Look for the file from Friday July 14, 2006.

Or, was Stadtmiller merely worried that he was being exposed? Was he hoping to make me look bad?

9/11 was an inside job?
One of the reasons I wrote the article that upset Stadtmiller is that I am concerned that the Americans and Europeans are getting only one side of 9/11 and other crimes. Specifically, most people are getting only the view of the Zionist Jew.
For example, most of the 9/11 truth seekers describe 9/11 as "an inside job", and Webster Tarpley has a book called "9/11, Made In The USA." The implication is that Americans did 9/11 to themselves, usually because of some plot to take over the world, or to control oil.

We need a second opinion, and a third, fourth...
We are encouraged to get second opinions when doctors discover serious problems in our body. Since 9/11 is a serious problem for our nation, why shouldn't we be allowed to get a second opinion?

9/11 was an outside job!
My opinion is that 9/11 was an outside job; a Zionist job. I am sure that there were some Americans involved, but I don't think the Americans were the primary planners, and I don't think the Americans planned the demolition of the towers or installed the explosives.
Furthermore, some of the Americans involved in 9/11, such as Michael Chertoff and Larry Silverstein, hold American citizenship, but emotionally they are Zionists or Israelis. Their body may be in America, but their mind is somewhere else.
I think there were Americans involved in the attack on the Pentagon because that was a superficial attack. That attack closely resembles the staged attacks that were proposed in the Northwoods document.
The demolition of the World Trade Center buildings was so destructive and murderous that it is difficult to explain why Americans would do that to themselves. It was an act of war, which suggests an outside enemy. It also suggests that the people who did it consider us to be nothing more than cockroaches.

Where is Stadtmiller in all this?
I never accused John Stadtmiller of being part of the criminal Zionist network. Instead, I was pointing out that there are some mysterious people who seem to have financial connections to Zionists.
Specifically, I was concerned that Karl Schwarz was getting money from the billionaire Simon family, and that he was trying to use that money to influence Stadtmiller.
Take a look at the Simon family:
Bollyn-9-11-Controlling-the-Message.html
You may as well look at the Miller family, also:
Bollyn-TheHollywoodFantasyofFlight93.html

Americans buy entertainment, not serious material
Stadtmiller could be an innocent American citizen trying to do his best to help the nation, but anybody who has tried to sell information about 9/11, the attack on the USS Liberty, or any other Zionist crime will agree that it is incredibly difficult to cover your costs, let alone make a lot of profit.
This puts people like Stadtmiller in a risky predicament. Specifically, since it is difficult for them to pay their bills, Zionists can offer them money in an attempt to influence them.
By the way, I financed my book and DVD with money I had saved up, so I didn't need funding.

Deborah Simon invested in Karl Schwarz's nonexistent business. Nobody invests money without expecting something in return, so what was she expecting?
Did she expect to make a profit when his company actually came into existence and became profitable?
This would be a valid expectation if Schwarz had a history of developing successful, profitable businesses. But does he have such a history? I don't see it.
My guess is that Simon was giving Schwarz money to influence people in the 9/11 movement, such as Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, and/or other people.

Disclose your contributions, Simon!
Many people realize that secretive campaign contributions are dangerous. As a result, we now have laws requiring donations to be identified.
However, why do we tolerate secretive donations to 9/11 investigators? We should demand that the Simon family disclose all of their investments in the 9/11 movement.
The billionaire Simon family gives a lot of money to politicians, such as Lee Hamilton who served on the 9/11 commission. The Simons are not
giving money to politicians because they don't know what else to do with their money. Rather, they are giving money because they expect something in return. What would they expect from a politician? Do I have to tell you the answer?
Somebody is helping Dylan Avery produce a Hollywood movie about 9/11, and somebody will put it in theaters. Are these mysterious people producing this movie solely for the potential profit?
Or, are they helping to promote Dylan's movie because they want to push a particular 9/11 message onto the American people?

The Holocaust Promoters and Zionist Deniers are getting the publicity
I think Dylan Avery, the Scholars For 9/11 Truth, Webster Tarpley, Mike Berger, 911truth.org, and many others, are getting a lot of publicity because every one of them are lying to us about 9/11, the Holocaust, the Apollo moon landing, the attack on the USS Liberty, the world wars, and Zionism in general. I think these people are part of the criminal network.
Anybody who associates with or promotes criminals should expect other people to investigate them. If you don't want to be investigated, don't associate with criminals.

Have you seen my interview with a victim of the Columbine shooting? It might help you understand how deceptive Michael Moore, and other truth seekers really are:

Columbine-DonnaTaylor.html

If you try to influence my life, expect me to wonder who you are
Anybody who comes forward to tell us what to think about 9/11, George Bush, the Iraq war, Zionism, or other issues should expect other people to ask:
• Who is this person who is trying to influence my life and the lives of other people?
• Who are his friends?
• Is somebody promoting or funding him?
• Why should I believe anything he says?

We don't need secretive people to tell us about a secretive crime network. I'm not afraid of investigations; why are some of you? There is an expression about this: "If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen."

I have to stir the pot a bit more
Before I end this article, I just can't resist causing a bit more trouble.
Professor Steven Jones is a member of the Scholars For 9/11 Truth. The Zionists Deniers in that group may be using him as bait to bring Gullible Goyim to their deceptive organization.
I have no idea if Professor Jones is an honest citizen or part of the criminal network. However, it is becoming obvious that the Scholars For 9/11 Truth are a group of Holocaust Promoting, Zionist Denying criminals, so Professor Jones and other members should make a decision about whether they want to continue helping these criminals.
Have you noticed that the Scholars For 9/11 Truth have absolutely no concern for the mysterious murder of one of their members?

Death-of-Michael-Zebuhr.html
Why would investigators who care so much about 9/11 not want to investigate a murder of one of their own members?
While it appears that America will soon disintegrate, there is the remote possibility that enough Americans and/or Europeans will locate their brains and their backbones, help us put an end to this Zionist Cancer, and create a new world.
If this happens, the people who have been helping the criminals may discover that their excuse -- "But I didn't realize they were criminals!" -- is failing to evoke pity from us.
The Zionists are not playing games, so why should we? It is time to wake up and smell the dead goyim.

Or is Harold Rosenthal correct?
Finally, I sometimes wonder if I am helping the goyim. I wonder if all I really do is poke the Zionists in the ribs, which encourages them to work harder and more intelligently.
Have you seen the interview with Harold Rosenthal? Some of his remarks about the goyim:
"Your people don't have guts."
"The people are only stupid pigs that grunt and squeal the chants we give them, whether they be truth or lies."

"We virtually get away with murder, and all the goy do is to talk about it, which is ineffective since we, the masters of propaganda, always publish a contradicting account."

You can read that interview here:
Harold_Rosenthal.html
Can the goyim learn to take care of themselves? Will they ever see through the deception? Or are the Zionists correct that we are an inferior species, just barely above the animal?
Time will tell...

what have i gotten into here
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:25:01 ET (4 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: randge (#160) (Edited)
I personally think that Zionism in its various flavors is a tool of the NWO too and will ultimately be betrayed by it as well.

Anyone that thinks the current leaders of israel or ameriKa have America's or Israel's BEST INTERESTS are sorely, sorely deluded.
I prefer to focus on America and what WE need to do as opposed to focusing on another country or culture outside of America.
Every Joooo on the planet could be incinerated in Grand Canyon along with israel tomorrow and the problems America has wouldn't change.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:27:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: Turtle (#128)
Turtle's Brain is large

Yeah, that is an unfortunate condition. Someday, if you are lucky (and live long enough), they may be able to cure it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 16:29:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: Rotara (#161)
what have i gotten into here

too late to turn around
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 16:29:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: Jethro Tull (#129)
As in Obama is a socialist and RP is a constitutionalist. They're mutually exclusive, and therefore exchanging support from one to the other is a steaming pile.

Exactly. No one can ever convince me that they would have ever voted for Ron Paul when they voted for a communist pos like Obama.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 16:30:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: randge (#164)
Where is Stadtmiller in all this?
I never accused John Stadtmiller of being part of the criminal Zionist network. Instead, I was pointing out that there are some mysterious people who seem to have financial connections to Zionists.
Specifically, I was concerned that Karl Schwarz was getting money from the billionaire Simon family, and that he was trying to use that money to influence Stadtmiller.
Take a look at the Simon family: Bollyn-9-11-Controlling-the-Message.html
You may as well look at the Miller family, also: Bollyn-TheHollywoodFantasyofFlight93.html

the stadtmiller 4um saga continues..
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:31:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: Jethro Tull, Turtle (#130)
Two words for you; apalone spinifera.

I thought his problem was hydroencephaly (he said he had a large brain).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 16:32:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: James Deffenbach (#165)
As in Obama is a socialist and RP is a constitutionalist. They're mutually exclusive, and therefore exchanging support from one to the other is a steaming pile.
Exactly. No one can ever convince me that they would have ever voted for Ron Paul when they voted for a communist pos like Obama.

Lies for "The Greater Good" are not lies. -end mao-
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 16:33:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: Ferret Mike (#133)
I am and always have been pro amnesty for illegal immigrants

Yet another sign that you are not right in the head. How many illegal aliens does the US need?
As for Chuck Baldwin, one may never know how good me might have been as president, but I know he is a far better man than the communist you voted for.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 16:36:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#170. To: Old Friend (#135)
I believe Mike when he says he voted Ron Paul in the primaries.

I don't. Ron isn't a communist.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 16:37:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#171. To: James Deffenbach (#165)
No one can ever convince me that they would have ever voted for Ron Paul when they voted for a communist pos like Obama.

This is entirely possible.
It requires a complete disconnect from the data relevant to the case along with a fundamentally unhinged cognitive apparatus.
This is a syndrome that needs a name. It allows God-fearing Republicans to cheer when illiterate peasants are picked up from the battlefield, chained to the floor and tormented for months in order to extract information from them that they are not privy to.
The same illness affects the progressives who reflexively flock to the "antiwar" candidate and cling to him even when he quite clearly shows himself not to be what he was advertised to be. These people will continue to lick this man's boots when he betrays himself to the corporate interests that progressives loathe. They will continue to soil themselves in submission even as this man tramples all over their interests.
Then there are the "feminists" who maintain blind faith in Bill Clinton. But now I cannot go on because any further contemplation of this topic is bringing on a wave of nausea.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 16:50:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#172. To: Rotara (#168)

Itistoolate posted on 2009-02-07 17:07:45 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: randge (#171)
Excellent post, randge.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-02-07 17:19:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: randge, ALL, PSUSA, ROTARA, turtle, christine, john stadtmiller, formerlurker, wudits, wakeup, jethro tull, farmfriend, disgusted, x-15, twenty twelve (#160)
Anyone who has power like a radio program can be compromised in return for "immunity." Never believe or trust everything you hear at face value such as Alex Jones, other radio patriots..whoever they may be. Remember the double agent faux patriot Bo Gritz??? I'm sure the dead Branch Davidians remember the faux patriot movement (which ended up being a front to sell things, not to save Amerika) who never raised one finger to help them. I believe I remember ONE radio show in particular that was all talk and no action when it came to the Branch Davidians and co-hosted Mark K ..for one. "The Intelligence Report?" (I may have the name of the show wrong) Who else was on that show? But I remember this being said ---> "We urge you NOT to go to Waco!!!" Yep! "Patriots," hosts, Bo, ALL said it... I remember those words well...very well. Do not come on here and deny you said them. (The "Sam Houston's" of the patriot movement no doubt)
Alex NEVER advocates action..other than talk. I just heard him tell someone NOT to make a bugout backpack...(!!!) WTF?
He is capable of obfuscation (like Hannity and the talking heads only at a different kind of audience) and advocates DELAY...delay...delay... Who benefits????? (Perhaps he knows if he says what he really feels he'll be arrested? I don't know. But he is SLICK professional and listen between the lines is all I am saying. USe caution.)
The point is not to accuse. It is to use your OWN mind. Examine. Scrutinize. The forces of Evil are not stupid and can quote scripture to the gulllible lambs better than they can, just like they can enunciate what's happening in the world so clearly...because some might just be involved in it.
BEWARE. Trust but VERIFY is all I'm saying.
Many of these guys exist to sell things, like silver rounds (cool if you want a memory of an event like Waco) but that are worthless in trading because they can't be verified by most convenience store clerk types, tapes, memberships, health items both legit and not so legit, and other stuff.
Don't be used...yeah some of them say a lot of true stuff. That's how progaganda and agent provateurs work. Then they slip in the subtle mind control....yeah I've heard it on Hannity and AlexJones.
As far as JS, I used to listen to you for years on S/W and you seemed sincere and helped to open my eyes to the Truth..along with the likes of Chuck Harder and the Populist movement. However, I would trust you personally only because you know Christine and her husband. Yeah I think you lapsed in judgement slamming Turtle, perhaps because of your passion at the gravity of what is going on, but we all have at times. I am one of the worst offenders at "losing it" as FL can verify.
I AM surprised you've only had time to drop in here ONE TIME and make such an intellectually disappointing post on that one visit. I would have hoped for something greater.. There were some nice fish to fry with one's first post other than trying to make Turtle soup out of a poor defenseless shelled creature :)We all need comic relief now and again.
I do know, however, that RN is quite a different person in writing than he was on the show..and that gave me pause.
Our enemies and their enforcers are not only Evil butchers who masturbate at the thought of destroying lives and families, they are wise. Beware............of............groups. Many of these people with enough power to get on the airwaves (or run large movements like Don Black) can easily be infiltrated, used as snitches by the StateInc for their positions in return for the professional courtesy of immunity and being left alone. This is all speculation with no proof and I accuse NO individual...but use your own brain (not your emotions). What does it tell you?
Most real patriots are not rich and end up selling dollar DVDs because they CARE..you know who I'm talking about (thank you!).
Many real patriots have been killed or financially destroyed. That is one way you can know them. You should know them...

It is beginning... now... IMO and don't believe anyone who tries to tell you otherwise and tells you to delay or not to worry YET..it's always not YET (Jones) In fact, it may already be too late. Tomorrow most assuredly will be too late. "IF not now, when?"
Trust no one except yourself.
DO worry and DO prepare. Yesterday! NObody really knows who is sincere and who is not. Just use your OWN mind is all I'm saying.
Alas, Babylon
/end of today's ramblings
..........I know I probably forgot several people to ping...apologies.....and no personal insults intended to anyone..I tried to be as general as possible and I only call them like I see them at the time ..like Turtle, except I love Labradors :)))
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ALAS, BABYLON
IndieTX posted on 2009-02-07 18:03:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: randge, Cynicom (#144)
How'd she wind up with a swamp dweller like you??

Turtle introduced her to the pleasures of being a woman.
Turtle made her talk baby talk.
Turtle is, as always, amazing.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 18:18:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: IndieTX (#174)
It is beginning... now...

Yes, I do think that you are right, and to me this was a stunning post in terms of content and also in terms of the apprehension that is taking over my world view as I read the words and realize that the warnings that I began to hear from sources years ago, like Tom Valentine's Radio Free America are taking shape NOW.
They are taking shape in the form of real events that will touch us like events have never touched us. The main event is upon us. The actors have come onto the set. And we are not just an audience or mere witnesses. We are on stage too.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 18:39:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: Turtle (#175)
I'll take you at your word.
There's sometimes no accounting for the affections of a woman.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 18:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: randge (#177)
There's sometimes no accounting for the affections of a woman.

Turtle has stirred the brains of dozens of women just by looking at them.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 18:51:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#179. To: Turtle (#178)
You got my car ready, BTW, Turtle?
I like my ride at the slip when we tie up.
Wanna get up to the Club with no fuss when I show up at the Island.
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randge posted on 2009-02-07 19:02:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#180. To: randge (#179) (Edited)
Wasn't that the French car with the ginormous penis on top?
Turtle Island offers Gremlins. When the Buckwheat trio aren't hauling luggage, they are also cab drivers, offering you an unforgettable ride in the island's two 1974 Gremlins.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
Turtle posted on 2009-02-07 19:15:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#181. To: Turtle (#180) (Edited)
Shoot, Turtle, I don't need a driver when I show up. Just a drink and a decent car ferchrissakes.

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randge posted on 2009-02-07 19:24:46 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#182. To: IndieTX (#174)
Well said !
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 20:36:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#183. To: Itistoolate (#172)
Dees' graphics creep me out because they're so spot on.
it's a full court press on WTP now. it's gonna get fugly.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-07 20:39:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#184. To: Rotara (#183)
I feel the same way. It is like he's reading our minds to come up with those pics.

Itistoolate posted on 2009-02-07 21:00:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#185. To: Original_Intent (#6) (Edited)
Profanity is never required to eviscerate the commentary of a drooling, slack jawed, perfidous, malignant, malefactorious, microencephalic, duplicitous, squirrel brained, lizard breathed, slimewad, of a no good back shooting yellow dog having miniscule intellect and discernment with morals that would make a Harlot blush.

Post of the F***ing year. :))
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You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
ALAS, BABYLON
IndieTX posted on 2009-02-07 21:04:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#186. To: IndieTX (#185)
Post of the F***ing year. :))

Now now calm down before I add you to my bad boy list with Drifter and rot.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-07 21:08:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#187. To: IndieTX (#185)

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-02-08 0:00:19 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: randge (#146)
John stadtmiller

Thank you for replying. I didn't realize that several peeps had asked me to explain my comment and I had left it unanswered.
Your post is timely and very much appreciated.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-08 1:13:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#189. To: HOUNDDAWG (#188)
Cheers, 'Dawg.
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randge posted on 2009-02-08 1:17:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#190. To: IndieTX (#147)
Kill anyone because their beliefs offend yours

Kinda like the socialist government you defend.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 1:40:40 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#191. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey, North American Unioner Mike McCarthy (#133)
But I am and always have been pro amnesty for illegal immigrants

Tell me again about how sincerely you stand against the merger of Mexico, Canada and AmeriKa ! You're a lying NAUer !!
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 2:03:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#192. To: farmfriend (#152)
I thought the guy was a Biblical mode of transportation.

Funny!
So, he was a pair of wings, then?

OR, AN ASS?

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-08 4:03:35 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#193. To: HOUNDDAWG, Original_Intent (#192)
I hadn't thought about the wings.

I remember my good friend SierraWasp from FR used to use the term male bovine excrement. I always enjoyed it.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-08 4:08:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#194. To: farmfriend (#193)
I remember my good friend SierraWasp from FR used to use the term male bovine excrement. I always enjoyed it.

That's a good one!
And, I know that you're concerned about your dainty lady reputation so I understand your avoidance of certain crass colloquialisms.
I'm rather partial to straight forward expressions even if somewhat vulgar.
My all time fave is from YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN:
"MY GRANDFATHER'S WORK IS DIEU DIEU!"__"Froedrick Frawnkensteen"

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2009-02-08 5:41:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#195. To: Rotara (#191)
Here you go again, trying in vain to put me on the defensive. I of course do not support the concept of any entity like the NAU, and one can be for amnesty for immigrants and a patriotic American, but you knew that.
You just enjoy trying to play witch hunt with you in the role of Cotton Mather. ;-D

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 13:49:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#196. To: ferret mike (#195)
I of course do not support the concept of any entity like the NAU, and one can be for amnesty for immigrants and a patriotic American, but you knew that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I have apprehensions about pointing out what a Traitor you are because sometimes I wonder if you aren't posting from the back of a short, yellow bus.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 13:56:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#197. To: Cynicom (#136)
"I can abide everyone here except that Turtle."

Know whatcha mean, he's always into some kind of shell game or the other.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 13:56:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#198. To: Ferret Mike, all (#195) (Edited)
But I am and always have been pro amnesty for illegal immigrants
one can be for amnesty for immigrants and a patriotic American

Both of those statements just plain suck.
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You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
ALAS, BABYLON
IndieTX posted on 2009-02-08 13:59:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#199. To: Rotara (#196)
"I've said it before and I'll say it again."

You say many things, but knowing what a lying coward you are, I don't give a shit what you have to say at this point.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:00:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#200. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey the North American Unioner (#199)
200
Good one Corn Flake Girl, you're the lying World Socialist NAU'er projecting here.
Everyone knows it.
You're not fooling anyone.
You're a dirty rotten degenerate thief, a Traitor, a menace to the Constitution.
You know what you deserve.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 14:03:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#201. To: IndieTX (#198)
They are true. And I have lost my job in the woods here in Oregon to the influx of Hispanic workers. I am concerned with the problem and issue, but I refuse to ever forget those involved on both sides of the issue are human beings, and that they are here because of the same motivators all human beings are subject to involving concern for food, shelter and other necessities, and a desire for a future for their kids.
I believe an amnesty can be crafted that satisfies all parties to the point resolution can be achieved.
You are welcome to disagree and I respect your view on this, especially as you have the futures of your boys to think about. But a repressive pogrom to root all of the alleged violators would not only not solve the problem, but it would damage want little standing we have internationally in the wake of Bush, and would run contrary to our spirit of value for human rights.
I don't want amnesty to be without an acceptance of responsibility or requirements, but I don't believe in a fascistic use of force done without mercy, to teach a lesson in a way that damages out Constitution further then it has been the past eight years.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#202. To: Rotara (#200)
Oh, yeah, another eunuch class implied death threat, like that's a surprise coming from an ass like you.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:13:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#203. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey the North American Unioner (#201)
I believe an amnesty

What do Barrack Barry Hussein Soetoro Hussen Dunham Obamalamadingdong, Juan mcKein, Saracuda, Jorge Arbusto and Mikey the WEASEL McCarthy all have in common ?
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 14:13:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#204. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey the North American Unioner (#202)
Weasel Traitor,
I don't threaten anyone.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 14:14:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#205. To: Rotara, christine (#203)
What do you have in common with a maggot?
Answer, everything. So, this is the sort of free speech you desire to bring to 4UM as you continually try to root out those who do not agree with you?
Free speech as long as those who disagree with you don't come here? Is that how it is supposed to work here according to Christine?
Bet it isn't, and you know this.
Face it, you are a megalomaniac, and all you care about is you and your own ego.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:17:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#206. To: Rotara (#204)
Bull shit. You have beeen doing it all this week. But that yoiu would resort to being a lying sack of shit in the face of undeniable evidence is no surprise coming from a hyena as yourself.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:19:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#207. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey the North American Unioner (#206)
heheheeee
Get ready bitch.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 14:20:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#208. To: ferret mike, weasel mikey the North American Unioner, christine (#205)
Christine, have you EVER had a bigger whiny crybaby Traitor on 4um than wee mikey mcKarthy ?
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 14:21:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#209. To: Ferret Mike (#205)
Don't take these fine people in a personal way. Some just don't like Obama at the helm.
Chat forums are a great way to relieve tension especially when some only have a right hand.

grace_is_by_our_lord posted on 2009-02-08 14:22:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#210. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#209)
Nice sentiment, but Rot here has posted very strong and graphic death threats, the worst of which has been deleted. I still have copies of that thread, but though it would serve to show you what a childish and malicious ego driven asshole Rot is, I am just going to save it in case it comes handy later on as things develop. Suffice it to say, he started it, and he is the perpetuator and instigator, not me.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ferret Mike posted on 2009-02-08 14:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#211. To: Ferret Mike (#210)
Some folks care their world around them and their passions run high. Some don't realize they are taking their emotions out on their best friends. You could be every-one's next door neighbor for all anyone knows.
But your position is realistic, though. Obama is POTUS. Lets give the guy the chance the American People voted him for. He certainly is a breath of fresh air from the last administration.

grace_is_by_our_lord posted on 2009-02-08 14:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#212. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#211)
He certainly is a breath of fresh air from the last administration.

I thot that after Clinton, after Bush, after Reagan, after Carter, after Ford etc etc.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-08 14:40:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#213. To: Cynicom (#212)
After WW2, the National Security Act and the War Powers Act corrupted every one of them. So, I understand your point.

grace_is_by_our_lord posted on 2009-02-08 14:46:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#214. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#213)
1940 saw our first peace time draft.
It has been downhill since then for making wars.

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-08 14:51:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#215. To: Cynicom (#214)
What do you mean by, "downhill?" I think America has been instrumental since WW2 creating wars everywhere. America was instrumental in creating the faux nation called "Israel" in 1947 through the UN (another faux organization).
From Korea to Vietnam to meddling in just about everything creating wars everywhere is the motto of postWW2 USA. These methods have screwed the American People and have accomplished nothing.
At least Obama is attempting to change these international positions, similar to Ron Paul. I give Obama a two thumbs up grade based upon his campaign speeches and work shown so far.

grace_is_by_our_lord posted on 2009-02-08 15:01:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#216. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#211)
He certainly is a breath of fresh air from the last administration.

You're a complete ignoramus there buckeroo.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 15:03:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#217. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#215)
At least Obama is attempting to change these international positions, similar to Ron Paul. I give Obama a two thumbs up grade based upon his campaign speeches and work shown so far.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 15:05:02 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#218. To: Rotara (#217)
Wow ... and you can post plagiarized pictures too. What other fantastic tricks can you perform?

grace_is_by_our_lord posted on 2009-02-08 15:21:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#219. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#218)
Good seeing you again, buckeroo.
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Rotara posted on 2009-02-08 15:23:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#220. To: Rotara (#219)
what makes you think that is suckeroo?

Old Friend posted on 2009-02-08 15:30:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#221. To: Cynicom (#212)
He certainly is a breath of fresh air from the last administration. I thot that after Clinton, after Bush, after Reagan, after Carter, after Ford etc etc.

And yet nothing changed. Go figure.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-08 15:32:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#222. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#215)
At least Obama is attempting to change these international positions, similar to Ron Paul. I give Obama a two thumbs up grade based upon his campaign speeches and work shown so far.

You have got to be kidding.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-08 15:33:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#223. To: Old Friend, rotara (#220)
what makes you think that is suckeroo?

The comment about plagerized pictures makes me think Byteshredder or a friend of his.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
farmfriend posted on 2009-02-08 15:35:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#224. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#215)
At least Obama is attempting to change these international positions,

I see 30,000 more AMERICANS going to Afghan. Those are soldiers taught to kill.
Now, tell me what has Afghan done to Obama that he wants to kill them????
You do realize that is 30,000 more troops on Chinas border?
Change? Gates and the entire war making machine has been kept on, including all the warhawk generals. Can we expect change next month by seeing Generals retired or demoted????
Troops will be sent home from Korea??? And lastly why is Obama okaying sending 10,000 troops from japan to Guam? For what reason???

Cynicom posted on 2009-02-08 16:37:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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