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Title: US troops ordered out of Kyrgyzstan after Russia deal
Source: The Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... gyzstan-after-Russia-deal.html
Published: Feb 4, 2009
Author: Adrian Blomfield
Post Date: 2009-02-06 00:11:32 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 156
Comments: 5

Kurmanbek Bakiyev, the president of Kyrgyzstan, announced he was ordering the eviction of troops from the Manas Air Base near the capital city Bishkek shortly after receiving a multi-billion dollar bailout from the Russian government.

Frantic Pentagon officials initially attempted to deny there were plans afoot to force the United States out of its last Central Asian outpost before issuing a plea to the Kyrgyz government to change its mind.

"We very much appreciate the support the Kyrgyz have given us in the use of that base and we hope to continue using it," Geoff Morell, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters.

But Mr Bakiyev, speaking after talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow, sounded categorical in his decision.

"Kyrgyzstan will close the US military base in Manas after Washington refused to negotiate better compensation," he said.

An eviction decree was presented to parliament, which will go through the formality of approving it in the next few days.

The collapse of a deal with the Kyrgyz government to continue using Manas, an ex-Soviet base that has been used by US forces since late 2001, is both an embarrassment and a blow to the new administration of President Barack Obama.

Gen David Petraeus, the US commander leading the military campaigns in both Afghanistan and Iraq, visited Bishkek last month with an offer to raise the annual rent the United States pays for Manas from £55 million to £104 million -- nearly 7 percent of the Kyrgyz government's annual budget.

According to diplomats, the United States also offered to pay senior Kyrgyz officials substantial "bonuses".

But shortly after Gen Petraeus announced he had received assurances from the Kyrgyz government that Russia had no intention of forcing the United States out of Manas, Mr Medvedev arrived in Bishkek on a gazumping mission.

Although Russia pays just £14 million a year for use of a base next door to Manas, Mr Medvedev offered a £1.4 billion loan to plug Kyrgyztsan's deficit-plagued budget, as well as £238 million in write offs and grants.. Substantial emoluments were offered to individual officials as well, a western diplomat said.

Russia also appeared to press its case home after Kyrgyzstan's internet infrastructure came under sustained attack in the weeks leading up to the deal.. Several ex-Soviet states have encountered similar problems when coming under pressure from Moscow.

The loss of Manas deals a blow to hopes for an improvement of relations between the Kremlin and the Obama administration. President Obama is reportedly seeking to convene talks to slash Russian and American nuclear stockpiles, a substantial policy shift that will be welcomed in Moscow, which believes that a deal would help restore strategic parity with the United States.

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#1. To: X-15, Christine, Jethro Tull, Formerlurker, All (#0)

The timing is the greatest damage of the mess. Obama is going to discover how castrated Bush left the US military; the back doors are being methodically closed.

The fear is in the next few Russian moves - assured to come.

My hunch is that there are several effective wedges being driven between Obama & the Pentagon. Why did that military Judge in Gitmo stand his ground - against the President; what did he know? There's a good barometer, by itself.

There has to be a lot going on in the background. In exclusively my opinion, if obama doesn't always fly in the company of a high-level asset of the New World Order, he's a fool. My conviction is that TWA-800 constituted a prepared excuse for ......

Again, that's an opinion - based on a historically suggested hunch, not any knowledge of any plot, plan or conspiracy. (Did you get that Ms - Mr. NSA listening/monitoring person???)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-02-06   2:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#0)

Could just a message for Obama not to mess around with the Russia Bear.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-02-06   3:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: SKYDRIFTER (#1)

I'm sure Russia is still pissed with Obama over his support for Georgia and his condemnation of Russia during the short Russian/Georgian conflict.

They are just giving him the finger, just like he gave them.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-06   3:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: FormerLurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#3)

They are just giving him the finger, just like he gave them.

I'd say they are doing far more than gesturing. We'll see what the next increment looks like. Depending on how soon our troops actually have to close the base, an alternate first needs to be found & the assetts transferred.

Then, it could happen again.

Obama wants to mount a summer campaign in Afghanistan. Between the Talibunnies shutting down the Paki routes & things like this, Obama will be lucky to feed the troops we now have, there.

Gates has his work cut out for him, for sure. He wants a lateral transfer of troops from Iraq to Afghanistan; no, he can't supply them.

In the meantime, Karzai is surely making deals with the Taliban.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-02-06   9:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SKYDRIFTER (#4)

I'd say they are doing far more than gesturing. We'll see what the next increment looks like. Depending on how soon our troops actually have to close the base, an alternate first needs to be found & the assetts transferred.

Nah, they just don't want us surrounding their country with bases and installing missiles right on their border.

I highly doubt there would be any sort of action unless we did something stupid like launch an attack against Iran, where we'd retalliate with nukes once a few of our aircraft carriers were sitting on the bottom of the Persian Gulf.

Now THAT would more than likely draw a response.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-06   10:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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