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Title: U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/w ... e/07russia.html?_r=1&ref=world
Published: Feb 7, 2009
Author: ELLEN BARRY
Post Date: 2009-02-07 10:19:43 by Jethro Tull
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U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says By ELLEN BARRY Published: February 6, 2009 MOSCOW — Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said Friday that Russia had fast-tracked approval of a plan to allow the United States military to ship nonlethal equipment across Russian territory to Afghanistan. Skip to next paragraph Related News Analysis: Russia Offers Kind Words, but Its Fist Is Clenched (February 6, 2009) “We gave our consent, literally, in 24 hours,” he said. “We expect our American partners to provide a concrete request with the quantity and description of cargo. We shall grant the relevant permission as soon as it happens.” Russia has emphasized its desire to cooperate with the United States and NATO in Afghanistan since the announcement on Tuesday that Kyrgyzstan, a close Russian ally, will close the Manas air base, a critical link in supplying the war effort in Afghanistan. Losing access to the base is a serious setback to President Obama, who hopes to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. -Snip
Poster Comment: Why wouldn't Russia allow the U.S. to ship Afghanistan bound material through their territory? Our kids are about to be turned into hamburger meat, as were the Russian kids in '87. It's get even time for the Ruskies, and dopey time for anyone supporting this looming mess.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Russia doesn't share a common border with "Afstanigan". We've already pissed of the Uzbeks, and now the Kyrgyz. The routes through Pakistan are unsafe, not to mention the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of the Taliban, and they are not our allies. We could ostensibly air-ship all supplies, but the heavy equipment would end up broken and unrepairable. All those items are transported by ship amd truck. Maybe we can sweet-talk (i.e. pay off) the Turkmenistan government.
4um Traitor Thanks Sarajevo, all the more reason to get the heck out of Afghanistan. We have enough problems without widening another war.
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq. This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords).
This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords). Say what?
Hell, we're STILL screwing up in Ashcanistan: troops camped next to poppy fields while we're fighting the "war on drugs". Total insanity. We should either wipe out the drugs there or give up on drugs here and decriminalize them to some degree, our government is practicing hypocrisy by continuing the current course.
_________________________________________________________________________ I didn't know your position until now, so thanks and good luck selling war here. Be it Bush or Obama, war in Afghanistan is anti-American in every sense of the word. Perhaps if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone. Just a thought.
That's a concept I learned in Kindergarten, and it's always worked for me. Too bad most Americans have become convinced that the best way to avoid being stung by hornets is to find bigger and more expensive ways to poke their nests with sticks.
This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords). Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too. What the hell is wrong with people..nevermind.
4um Traitor Some NWO wars just make sense. -end sarcasm-
4um Traitor How can we get a New World Socialist Order finished with people like you unwilling to fight undeclared wars for the cartel ??? Empire isn't easy !!
4um Traitor The thing is, most people who support these wars aren't doing it because they want a New World Order. They go along with the program because the mass media and government have put it in their heads that countries with militaries and GDP's smaller than most of our neighbors in Central America are a real threat to their security.
Judging by his handle, Sarajevo probably thinks that US intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo was a beautiful humanitarian mission. So it's no wonder he's sold on Afghanistan too.
A lot of people like to expand 'free traaaade' via empire.
4um Traitor AmeriKa / NATO needs to be nuked.
4um Traitor That's a concept I learned in Kindergarten, and it's always worked for me. Too bad most Americans have become convinced that the best way to avoid being stung by hornets is to find bigger and more expensive ways to poke their nests with sticks. Very funny, Rupert! You got that right!
I agree. Most people don't have a clue what NWO stands for and they would reduce it if you told them about it to "global community." They go along with these idiotic wars because of the reason you state and also because the media have convinced them that we are the Big Dog with the Big Stick in the world ( subliminal BigBullyComplex). That we are the strongest and richest and that we can push anyone around in the schoolyard we want because that's our RIGHT ( hey we saved everyone in WWI and WWII, didn't we?) and we have many many many allies ( whose poly-syllabic post Soviet Union Empire names no one can remember) to back us up.
When I was at Bagram Air Base, we had marijuana and poppies growing next to the active runway.
I'm not here to "sell" a war. I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian and will share a viewpoint every now and then. Oh yeah, they won't leave us alone. We are the "infidel" and as an infidel, we have no rights. I was told that while in Turkey in the '90's. It was rather prophetic.
Oh, F*ck.....no
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ?
4um Traitor That's rich. Somebody should have e-mailed the DEA a picture and a tip "You won't believe where I found THIS..."
_________________________________________________________________________ ??? Explain please. Those aren't high point tourist destinations.
For the UN it might be.
4um Traitor Sarajevo said he was there as a "civilian." UN related NGOers are paid employees.
you spent time living in those countries?
OK, I'm all ears. But I don't fault them for calling you an infidel. It's their nation, and our history has been one of meddling in their affairs.
They almost always refer to themselves as civilians when in combat theaters acting in a non-military support role.
4um Traitor Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ? First, I am unfamiliar with "911 Official Story". So, no, I do not accept it. Second, All I care to know is what I observed on that day. The book title I referred you to was for interesting reading. Much of it is factual information, especially how the CIA spent millions in 8 weeks buying off Afghan warlords.
One of the largest plants was growing at the outer fenceline of KBR Village. Not one of those jokers knew what it was. [I guess that they all think that milk comes from a store..../sarcasm]
??? Explain please. Those aren't high point tourist destinations. I was working in those area's as an evil contractor. I worked as a Remote Duty Paramedic for KBR. I realize that I'll be buried for admitting that little iota of information, but WTH. It was good money, and I had the opportunity to interact with different people, and I traveled to area's that were previously inaccessible.
I wasn't UN. I was a DoD civilian, not a tourist.
You're a NEOCON. Thanks for playing
4um Traitor ??? Explain please. Those aren't high point tourist destinations. I was working in those area's as an evil contractor. I worked as a Remote Duty Paramedic for KBR. I realize that I'll be buried for admitting that little iota of information, but WTH. It was good money, and I had the opportunity to interact with different people, and I traveled to area's that were previously inaccessible. At least you're a seemingly straight forward NEOCON tool sheeple that admits your head is buried to reality.
4um Traitor Well, duh, if the CIA hadn't involved itself in this bribery venture our small military contingent in Afghanistan along with NATO's paltry numbers would have have been over run in no time at all.
How did you find 4um?
Nice....... I was honest, so I don't make it into your little fascist fuckstick society. Well, fuck you jerk-off.
An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON.
4um Traitor The CIA joker who wrote the book was in there before the militaryb action started.
It wasn't hard. I've been lurking for at least a year now.
Let's see.....most of the inflamatory posters from ToS, WA, and LP are here under their former screen names. Are you an outsider? Now, other than what I've admitted to, can you prove that I'm a "big statist government worshiping contractor"? I may have filled your drawers full of feces for the shitz-n-giggles of it. I may be a troll...oh..zot me Ba-Bee! I'll admit, you have me on the contractor part, but IMO it's just jealousy. Yeah Ba-bee! I have qualifications which you will never possess, and it ain't gunslingin'! Now, are you finished with the insults and ready to get on with an adult discussion?
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#2. To: Sarajevo (#1)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#3. To: Sarajevo (#1)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#5. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq.
#6. To: Sarajevo (#4)
and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords).
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#7. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan.
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Perhaps if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.
#9. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#10. To: X-15 (#6)
Hell, we're STILL screwing up in Ashcanistan: troops camped next to poppy fields while we're fighting the "war on drugs". Total insanity. We should either wipe out the drugs there or give up on drugs here and decriminalize them to some degree, our government is practicing hypocrisy by continuing the current course.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#11. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Jethro Tull (#8)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: Rotara (#11)
How can we get a New World Socialist Order finished with people like you unwilling to fight undeclared wars for the cartel ???
#13. To: scrapper2 (#5)
#14. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#15. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#13)
Judging by his handle, Sarajevo probably thinks that US intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo was a beautiful humanitarian mission.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)
Perhaps if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.
#17. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
The thing is, most people who support these wars aren't doing it because they want a New World Order. They go along with the program because the mass media and government have put it in their heads that countries with militaries and GDP's smaller than most of our neighbors in Central America are a real threat to their security.
#18. To: X-15 (#6)
troops camped next to poppy fields while we're fighting the "war on drugs".
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
I didn't know your position until now, so thanks and good luck selling war here.
#20. To: Rotara (#9)
Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too.
#21. To: Sarajevo (#20)
Oh, F*ck.....no
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#22. To: Sarajevo (#18)
When I was at Bagram Air Base, we had marijuana and poppies growing next to the active runway.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#23. To: Sarajevo (#19)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian
#24. To: scrapper2 (#23)
Those aren't high point tourist destinations.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#25. To: Rotara, Sarajevo (#24)
For the UN it might be.
#26. To: Sarajevo (#19)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian
#27. To: Sarajevo (#19)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian and will share a viewpoint every now and then.
#28. To: scrapper2 (#25)
(Edited)
UN related NGOers are paid employees.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#29. To: Rotara (#21)
Oh, F*ck.....no
#30. To: X-15 (#22)
Somebody should have e-mailed the DEA a picture and a tip "You won't believe where I found THIS..."
#31. To: scrapper2, Rotara (#23)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian.
#32. To: scrapper2, christine (#25)
Sarajevo said he was there as a "civilian." UN related NGOers are paid employees.
#33. To: Sarajevo (#29)
All I care to know is what I observed on that day.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#34. To: Sarajevo, scrapper2 (#31)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#35. To: Sarajevo (#29)
Much of it is factual information, especially how the CIA spent millions in 8 weeks buying off Afghan warlords.
#36. To: Sarajevo (#31)
I was working in those area's as an evil contractor. I worked as a Remote Duty Paramedic for KBR. I realize that I'll be buried for admitting that little iota of information, but WTH. It was good money, and I had the opportunity to interact with different people, and I traveled to area's that were previously inaccessible.
#37. To: Rotara (#33)
You're a NEOCON. Thanks for playing
#38. To: Sarajevo (#37)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#39. To: scrapper2 (#35)
Well, duh, if the CIA hadn't involved itself in this bribery venture our small military contingent in Afghanistan along with NATO's paltry numbers would have have been over run in no time at all.
#40. To: scrapper2 (#36)
How did you find 4um?
#41. To: Rotara (#38)
An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON.
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