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Title: U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/w ... e/07russia.html?_r=1&ref=world
Published: Feb 7, 2009
Author: ELLEN BARRY
Post Date: 2009-02-07 10:19:43 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1478
Comments: 104

U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says

By ELLEN BARRY

Published: February 6, 2009

MOSCOW — Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said Friday that Russia had fast-tracked approval of a plan to allow the United States military to ship nonlethal equipment across Russian territory to Afghanistan.

Skip to next paragraph Related News Analysis: Russia Offers Kind Words, but Its Fist Is Clenched (February 6, 2009) “We gave our consent, literally, in 24 hours,” he said. “We expect our American partners to provide a concrete request with the quantity and description of cargo. We shall grant the relevant permission as soon as it happens.”

Russia has emphasized its desire to cooperate with the United States and NATO in Afghanistan since the announcement on Tuesday that Kyrgyzstan, a close Russian ally, will close the Manas air base, a critical link in supplying the war effort in Afghanistan. Losing access to the base is a serious setback to President Obama, who hopes to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan.

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Why wouldn't Russia allow the U.S. to ship Afghanistan bound material through their territory? Our kids are about to be turned into hamburger meat, as were the Russian kids in '87. It's get even time for the Ruskies, and dopey time for anyone supporting this looming mess.

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Well, duh, if the CIA hadn't involved itself in this bribery venture our small military contingent in Afghanistan along with NATO's paltry numbers would have have been over run in no time at all.

The CIA joker who wrote the book was in there before the militaryb action started.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   21:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How did you find 4um?

It wasn't hard. I've been lurking for at least a year now.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   21:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON.

Let's see.....most of the inflamatory posters from ToS, WA, and LP are here under their former screen names. Are you an outsider?

Now, other than what I've admitted to, can you prove that I'm a "big statist government worshiping contractor"? I may have filled your drawers full of feces for the shitz-n-giggles of it. I may be a troll...oh..zot me Ba-Bee!

I'll admit, you have me on the contractor part, but IMO it's just jealousy.

Yeah Ba-bee! I have qualifications which you will never possess, and it ain't gunslingin'!

Now, are you finished with the insults and ready to get on with an adult discussion?

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ?

First, I am unfamiliar with "911 Official Story". So, no, I do not accept it.

Second, All I care to know is what I observed on that day.

Now, are you finished with the insults and ready to get on with an adult discussion?

I don't know yet if I'm done insulting you. I don't see a basis for discussion between us either.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The CIA joker who wrote the book was in there before the militaryb action started.

Because the plans to invade Afghanistan were written before 9/11 happened.

I think you need to read a few non-DOD recommended authors to get a more objective insight into why it doesn't matter how many troops or how much bribe $ we use in Muslim countries, we're going to continue playing wack a mole for years to come and in so doing radicalize hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims along the way IF WE FAIL TO CHANGE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT ie. our current flawed FOREIGN POLICY.

For starters, google Mearsheimer and Walt + LRB + Israel Lobby.

Then google Michael F. Scheuer + interviews or his name and Imperial Hubris.

Thirdly, go to Dr. Ron Paul's website or LewRockwell.com and read some of his archived articles on foreign policy.

I think those 3 people's opinions might give you a more balanced view than what you have become accustomed to in the DOD/KBR intellectual environment.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

scrapper: How did you find 4um?

Sarajevo: It wasn't hard. I've been lurking for at least a year now.

Did your lurking start as part of a DOD job assignment? I'm just curious. You seem to be honest thusfar.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see a basis for discussion between us either.

Then cease posting to me. It's simple.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's see.....most of the inflamatory posters from ToS, WA, and LP are here under their former screen names.

What's WA?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then cease posting to me. It's simple.

No it's not.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did your lurking start as part of a DOD job assignment?

No, I started searching the net after quite a few of the more lucid and interesting posters left ToS for other sites. I've found several sites where they've wandered to. It had nothing to do with my former employer[who, may I say, is a PoS].

The internet can be a small place.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's WA?

WideAwakes.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No it's not.

WoW...you find it difficult to ignore, or not post to someone whom you disagree with?

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WoW...you find it difficult to ignore, or not post to someone whom you disagree with?

What do we disagree on ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WideAwakes

www.wideawakes.net/commun...d73f17c4e589b15b4d403b0dc

Hey thanks for that reference, Sarajevo.

One of the first things my eyes sighted was Obama You tube gaffes. And this subject had as it's first example one of my all time favorites - Messiah's off-the-teleprompter Bright Light idea on how we can make a significant dent on our energy usage - ie. inflate our tires better. Yuck, yuck.

I remember that swarthyguy and I got quite a bit of chuckles mileage out of that one. It brings tears to my eyes as I view it again. Sigh.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What do we disagree on ?

This comment-"An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON".

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you here and not at WA ?

(That's the site the biggest ASSHOLE FREEPERS ended up starting and moving to)

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What do we disagree on ?

This comment-"An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON".

When did you stop being a NEOCON ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

a. No, I started searching the net after quite a few of the more lucid and interesting posters left ToS for other sites.

b. It had nothing to do with my former employer[who, may I say, is a PoS].

a. Speaking of lucid interesting posters, if you want to find Burkeman1, who is a poster I personally admire greatly, he's at the following url. I just post at 4um so I am not familiar with regular posters from Tos or LP who have migrated elsewhere. Hope Burkie is one you wanted to trace.

thedailyburkeman1.blogspot.com/

b. Music to my ears. You're ok, kid, despite having a few warts.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you here and not at WA ?

(That's the site the biggest ASSHOLE FREEPERS ended up starting and moving to)

Thanks. I need to examine it more closely at a later date.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. I need to examine it more closely at a later date.

DUmpster level RINO site.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-12   22:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Because the plans to invade Afghanistan were written before 9/11 happened

There, I disagree. Iraq, yes. Jorge boosh had plans there and it was blatantly obvious. Afghanistan-OTOH, was a shot out of the blue. Nobody ever thought that a bunch of sand-monkeys based in a back-water country would attack us. BTW- they are supported by Pakistan.

I think you need to read a few non-DOD recommended authors to get a more objective insight into why it doesn't matter how many troops or how much bribe $ we use in Muslim countries, we're going to continue playing wack a mole for years to come and in so doing radicalize hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims along the way IF WE FAIL TO CHANGE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT ie. our current flawed FOREIGN POLICY.

I never stated that I agreed with the policy. For starters, you cannot win a guerilla war. There is no way possible. That has been proven time and time again. If you slack up on the populace, they'll recruit fresh bodies. If you clamp down on the populace, those same fresh bodies will run to the guerilla factions. The only way out is appeasement (which I find disgusting) or withdrawal.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey thanks for that reference, Sarajevo.

No problem. I go through several sites looking for lucid opinions on daily news articles.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you here and not at WA ?

(That's the site the biggest ASSHOLE FREEPERS ended up starting and moving to)

I am registered member of WA. So what.

I am also a registered member of WaPo, MarketWatch, Reuters, ToS, LP, Financial Times, Darwein Central, and so on.

I look for good opinions and insight concerning daily events. I do limit myself though. I don't do the DailyKos or DU.

I registered here because I thought I had pertinent and interesting information to add to this topic. Apparently, I was wrong.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I never stated that I agreed with the policy. For starters, you cannot win a guerilla war. There is no way possible. That has been proven time and time again. If you slack up on the populace, they'll recruit fresh bodies. If you clamp down on the populace, those same fresh bodies will run to the guerilla factions. The only way out is appeasement (which I find disgusting) or withdrawal.

It's better not to get involved in a no-win useless war in the first place. We need to stop feeding the defense industry machine and we need to stop blindly supporting that financial parasite thug-state, Israel and we need to stop supporting iron-fisted Muslim Strongmen like Mubarrek and the House of Saud for the benefit of keeping the price of oil down and profits up to Exxon Oil and we need to stop occupying and desecrating holy sites to Islam. Etc, etc.

It's all about changing our foreign policy to effect positive outcomes for America and Americans. Be a friend to all and an enemy of none.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   22:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When did you stop being a NEOCON ?

When did I start?

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   22:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sarajevo, is it safe to say if you've been lurking here for a year just maybe you might want to view things from a different perspective? If so, you've come to a great place. Lots of folks here voted for Herr Bush x 2 and are now up to speed as far as the elite and the manipulation they impose on us. Maybe u might also see that American intervention in both Iraq and Afghanistan are not in our best interest. So, lets see if we can't kick the can about and see who presents the best argument.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-12   22:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nobody ever thought that a bunch of sand-monkeys based in a back-water country would attack us.

where and when did Afghanistan attack us, in your opinion?

christine  posted on  2009-02-12   22:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of lucid interesting posters, if you want to find Burkeman1, who is a poster I personally admire greatly, he's at the following url.

Thanks for the url. I remember him. I think he was at ToS a couple years ago. He does have some good opinions!

You're ok, kid, despite having a few warts.

Warts over the age of 50 is OK, but "kid"?

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   23:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Afghanistan-OTOH, was a shot out of the blue. Nobody ever thought that a bunch of sand-monkeys based in a back-water country would attack us. BTW- they are supported by Pakistan.

We knew Afghanistan was the home of the Taliban and a safe house for AQ long before 9/11 happened. We trained and equipped the Mujhadeen to fight the Soviets under Carter.

Over time Bin Laden got pissed that the Mujahdeen were being used by the US as pawns against the Soviets, to make Afghanistan the Soviet's Vietnam. He also got peeved with the way the House of Saud of which he was a member were suppressing Muslims in Saudi Arabia and the way US troops were occupying/desecrating holy sites in Mecca Saudie Arabia to provide security for US oil companies.

The situation in Afghanistan was well known to the CIA.

Bill Clinton was warned about the increased influence of Bin Laden and AQ in the Muslim world - Sudan offered to give Bin Laden to the CIA and Clinton refused.

Afghanistan as a training ground for AQ was no surprise whatsoever to the US gov't. The US gov't - the neocons/neolibs before them - wanted 9/11 to happen.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   23:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I registered here because I thought I had pertinent and interesting information to add to this topic. Apparently, I was wrong.

no, you weren't wrong. i'm interested in reading about your first hand experience as a contractor in both iraq and afghanistan.

christine  posted on  2009-02-12   23:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Warts over the age of 50 is OK, but "kid"?

Oops.

You struck me as a naive young guy in his 20's who had no ties at home and who wanted to have some "adventures" and quick $, who was footloose and fancy free and able to join the DOD and work as a contractor for KBR.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-12   23:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's all about changing our foreign policy to effect positive outcomes for America and Americans. Be a friend to all and an enemy of none.

That is easier said than done. Most countries, like Afghanistan, are supported by our tax dollars. That is the only reason that Karzai is our friend.

Why did I mention "Karzai"? Well, his authority only extends to the outskirts of Kabul. He's powerless in the rest oif the country. It's ther warlords who have the power. Oh yeah, we pay them off, too. Big Time! If we didn't, we;d be in the same quagmire as the Russians were, and the British before them.

The Uzbeks were the same. We paid them millions of dollars per month to use an old, decrepit Russian era airbase. Yeah, DoS involved themselves in Uzbek internal affairs, but they were still our friends as long as the money was flowing.

When the money runs out, they'll all hate us again.

It's better not to get involved in a no-win useless war in the first place.

IMO- it was winnable- back in 2003-2004. Then Jorge sidetracked himself in Iraq and turned what should have been the primary goal into a backwater.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   23:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, what about Christine's post, #65: "where and when did Afghanistan attack us, in your opinion?"

Give some of your lucidity on this, please.

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randge  posted on  2009-02-12   23:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

all that may be true, but i don't believe for a minute that's the reason we're in afghanistan. follow the money. i.e. oil and opium.

The Oil Connection: Afghanistan and Caspian Sea oil pipeline routes

christine  posted on  2009-02-12   23:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, lets see if we can't kick the can about and see who presents the best argument.

Thanx! I an agree with that.

I don't agree with the intervention in Iraq and never have, but I do see Afghanistan(in a lesser sense), and Pakistan (more so) to be the primary problems facing us today.

The manipulation, lies, corruption, police state tactics, etc., imposed by the previous administration is telling. Many across the country are becoming fed up with the current form of government, whether it's a Dem or Rep in the hot seat.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   23:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's better not to get involved in a no-win useless war in the first place.

IMO- it was winnable- back in 2003-2004. Then Jorge sidetracked himself in Iraq and turned what should have been the primary goal into a backwater.

So, it was winnable. I assume that you mean that it is no longer so.

Now we should compound our difficulties by irritating our relationship with a nuclear armed Pakistan to the point that we begin sending our sons onto their soil and instigating God knows what?

Heaven forfend.

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randge  posted on  2009-02-12   23:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

where and when did Afghanistan attack us, in your opinion?

Afghanistan itself did not attack us-directly. Afgghanistan did provide safe haven to the people who planned and attacked us on 9/11.

Now, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have moved back across the border into the tribal lands in Pakistan. They have returned to their roots, which we helped form during the Afghan-Russian war, btw.

Food for thought- Did you know that in the late '70's, Afghanistan was a hippie hang-out. It was as far away from everything as you could get.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   23:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Afgghanistan did provide safe haven to the people who planned and attacked us on 9/11.

Pre 9/11, what was the government of Afghanistan and who are these people you claim were protected.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-12   23:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Afghanistan itself did not attack us-directly.

Afghanistan did not attack us at all.

Afgghanistan did provide safe haven to the people who planned and attacked us on 9/11.

We attacked ourselves on 911. Nighty night.

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randge  posted on  2009-02-12   23:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The US gov't - the neocons/neolibs before them - wanted 9/11 to happen.

Well, Clinton was only interested in chubby interns.................He used "Desert Fox" (Gulf War 1.5)as an excuse to cover up his affair.

IMO- no one took ole' binny-boy as a serious threat. Remember when we threw several cruise missiles at a milk factory in the Sudan, and that was it......

War on WMD's is won! /sarc

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-02-12   23:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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