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Title: U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/w ... e/07russia.html?_r=1&ref=world
Published: Feb 7, 2009
Author: ELLEN BARRY
Post Date: 2009-02-07 10:19:43 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 1676
Comments: 104
U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says By ELLEN BARRY Published: February 6, 2009 MOSCOW — Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said Friday that Russia had fast-tracked approval of a plan to allow the United States military to ship nonlethal equipment across Russian territory to Afghanistan. Skip to next paragraph Related News Analysis: Russia Offers Kind Words, but Its Fist Is Clenched (February 6, 2009) “We gave our consent, literally, in 24 hours,” he said. “We expect our American partners to provide a concrete request with the quantity and description of cargo. We shall grant the relevant permission as soon as it happens.” Russia has emphasized its desire to cooperate with the United States and NATO in Afghanistan since the announcement on Tuesday that Kyrgyzstan, a close Russian ally, will close the Manas air base, a critical link in supplying the war effort in Afghanistan. Losing access to the base is a serious setback to President Obama, who hopes to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. -Snip
Poster Comment: Why wouldn't Russia allow the U.S. to ship Afghanistan bound material through their territory? Our kids are about to be turned into hamburger meat, as were the Russian kids in '87. It's get even time for the Ruskies, and dopey time for anyone supporting this looming mess.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Russia doesn't share a common border with "Afstanigan". We've already pissed of the Uzbeks, and now the Kyrgyz. The routes through Pakistan are unsafe, not to mention the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of the Taliban, and they are not our allies. We could ostensibly air-ship all supplies, but the heavy equipment would end up broken and unrepairable. All those items are transported by ship amd truck. Maybe we can sweet-talk (i.e. pay off) the Turkmenistan government.
Thanks Sarajevo, all the more reason to get the heck out of Afghanistan. We have enough problems without widening another war.
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq. This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords).
This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords). Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too. What the hell is wrong with people..nevermind.
Oh, F*ck.....no
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ?
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ? First, I am unfamiliar with "911 Official Story". So, no, I do not accept it. Second, All I care to know is what I observed on that day. The book title I referred you to was for interesting reading. Much of it is factual information, especially how the CIA spent millions in 8 weeks buying off Afghan warlords.
Well, duh, if the CIA hadn't involved itself in this bribery venture our small military contingent in Afghanistan along with NATO's paltry numbers would have have been over run in no time at all.
The CIA joker who wrote the book was in there before the militaryb action started.
Because the plans to invade Afghanistan were written before 9/11 happened. I think you need to read a few non-DOD recommended authors to get a more objective insight into why it doesn't matter how many troops or how much bribe $ we use in Muslim countries, we're going to continue playing wack a mole for years to come and in so doing radicalize hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims along the way IF WE FAIL TO CHANGE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT ie. our current flawed FOREIGN POLICY. For starters, google Mearsheimer and Walt + LRB + Israel Lobby. Then google Michael F. Scheuer + interviews or his name and Imperial Hubris. Thirdly, go to Dr. Ron Paul's website or LewRockwell.com and read some of his archived articles on foreign policy. I think those 3 people's opinions might give you a more balanced view than what you have become accustomed to in the DOD/KBR intellectual environment.
There, I disagree. Iraq, yes. Jorge boosh had plans there and it was blatantly obvious. Afghanistan-OTOH, was a shot out of the blue. Nobody ever thought that a bunch of sand-monkeys based in a back-water country would attack us. BTW- they are supported by Pakistan. I think you need to read a few non-DOD recommended authors to get a more objective insight into why it doesn't matter how many troops or how much bribe $ we use in Muslim countries, we're going to continue playing wack a mole for years to come and in so doing radicalize hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims along the way IF WE FAIL TO CHANGE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT ie. our current flawed FOREIGN POLICY. I never stated that I agreed with the policy. For starters, you cannot win a guerilla war. There is no way possible. That has been proven time and time again. If you slack up on the populace, they'll recruit fresh bodies. If you clamp down on the populace, those same fresh bodies will run to the guerilla factions. The only way out is appeasement (which I find disgusting) or withdrawal.
We knew Afghanistan was the home of the Taliban and a safe house for AQ long before 9/11 happened. We trained and equipped the Mujhadeen to fight the Soviets under Carter. Over time Bin Laden got pissed that the Mujahdeen were being used by the US as pawns against the Soviets, to make Afghanistan the Soviet's Vietnam. He also got peeved with the way the House of Saud of which he was a member were suppressing Muslims in Saudi Arabia and the way US troops were occupying/desecrating holy sites in Mecca Saudie Arabia to provide security for US oil companies. The situation in Afghanistan was well known to the CIA. Bill Clinton was warned about the increased influence of Bin Laden and AQ in the Muslim world - Sudan offered to give Bin Laden to the CIA and Clinton refused. Afghanistan as a training ground for AQ was no surprise whatsoever to the US gov't. The US gov't - the neocons/neolibs before them - wanted 9/11 to happen.
#72. To: scrapper2, Sarajevo (#67)
all that may be true, but i don't believe for a minute that's the reason we're in afghanistan. follow the money. i.e. oil and opium. The Oil Connection: Afghanistan and Caspian Sea oil pipeline routes
Well, Clinton was only interested in chubby interns.................He used "Desert Fox" (Gulf War 1.5)as an excuse to cover up his affair. IMO- no one took ole' binny-boy as a serious threat. Remember when we threw several cruise missiles at a milk factory in the Sudan, and that was it...... War on WMD's is won! /sarc
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#3. To: Sarajevo (#1)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#9. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq.
#20. To: Rotara (#9)
Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too.
#21. To: Sarajevo (#20)
Oh, F*ck.....no
#29. To: Rotara (#21)
Oh, F*ck.....no
#35. To: Sarajevo (#29)
Much of it is factual information, especially how the CIA spent millions in 8 weeks buying off Afghan warlords.
#39. To: scrapper2 (#35)
Well, duh, if the CIA hadn't involved itself in this bribery venture our small military contingent in Afghanistan along with NATO's paltry numbers would have have been over run in no time at all.
#43. To: Sarajevo (#39)
The CIA joker who wrote the book was in there before the militaryb action started.
#59. To: scrapper2 (#43)
Because the plans to invade Afghanistan were written before 9/11 happened
#67. To: Sarajevo (#59)
Afghanistan-OTOH, was a shot out of the blue. Nobody ever thought that a bunch of sand-monkeys based in a back-water country would attack us. BTW- they are supported by Pakistan.
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#78. To: scrapper2 (#67)
The US gov't - the neocons/neolibs before them - wanted 9/11 to happen.
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