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Title: U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/w ... e/07russia.html?_r=1&ref=world
Published: Feb 7, 2009
Author: ELLEN BARRY
Post Date: 2009-02-07 10:19:43 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 1540
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U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says By ELLEN BARRY Published: February 6, 2009 MOSCOW — Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said Friday that Russia had fast-tracked approval of a plan to allow the United States military to ship nonlethal equipment across Russian territory to Afghanistan. Skip to next paragraph Related News Analysis: Russia Offers Kind Words, but Its Fist Is Clenched (February 6, 2009) “We gave our consent, literally, in 24 hours,” he said. “We expect our American partners to provide a concrete request with the quantity and description of cargo. We shall grant the relevant permission as soon as it happens.” Russia has emphasized its desire to cooperate with the United States and NATO in Afghanistan since the announcement on Tuesday that Kyrgyzstan, a close Russian ally, will close the Manas air base, a critical link in supplying the war effort in Afghanistan. Losing access to the base is a serious setback to President Obama, who hopes to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. -Snip
Poster Comment: Why wouldn't Russia allow the U.S. to ship Afghanistan bound material through their territory? Our kids are about to be turned into hamburger meat, as were the Russian kids in '87. It's get even time for the Ruskies, and dopey time for anyone supporting this looming mess.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Russia doesn't share a common border with "Afstanigan". We've already pissed of the Uzbeks, and now the Kyrgyz. The routes through Pakistan are unsafe, not to mention the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of the Taliban, and they are not our allies. We could ostensibly air-ship all supplies, but the heavy equipment would end up broken and unrepairable. All those items are transported by ship amd truck. Maybe we can sweet-talk (i.e. pay off) the Turkmenistan government.
Thanks Sarajevo, all the more reason to get the heck out of Afghanistan. We have enough problems without widening another war.
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq. This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords).
This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords). Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too. What the hell is wrong with people..nevermind.
Oh, F*ck.....no
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ?
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ? First, I am unfamiliar with "911 Official Story". So, no, I do not accept it. Second, All I care to know is what I observed on that day. The book title I referred you to was for interesting reading. Much of it is factual information, especially how the CIA spent millions in 8 weeks buying off Afghan warlords.
You're a NEOCON. Thanks for playing
Nice....... I was honest, so I don't make it into your little fascist fuckstick society. Well, fuck you jerk-off.
An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON.
Let's see.....most of the inflamatory posters from ToS, WA, and LP are here under their former screen names. Are you an outsider? Now, other than what I've admitted to, can you prove that I'm a "big statist government worshiping contractor"? I may have filled your drawers full of feces for the shitz-n-giggles of it. I may be a troll...oh..zot me Ba-Bee! I'll admit, you have me on the contractor part, but IMO it's just jealousy. Yeah Ba-bee! I have qualifications which you will never possess, and it ain't gunslingin'! Now, are you finished with the insults and ready to get on with an adult discussion?
First, I am unfamiliar with "911 Official Story". So, no, I do not accept it. Second, All I care to know is what I observed on that day. Now, are you finished with the insults and ready to get on with an adult discussion? I don't know yet if I'm done insulting you. I don't see a basis for discussion between us either.
Then cease posting to me. It's simple.
No it's not.
WoW...you find it difficult to ignore, or not post to someone whom you disagree with?
What do we disagree on ?
This comment-"An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON".
Sarajevo, is it safe to say if you've been lurking here for a year just maybe you might want to view things from a different perspective? If so, you've come to a great place. Lots of folks here voted for Herr Bush x 2 and are now up to speed as far as the elite and the manipulation they impose on us. Maybe u might also see that American intervention in both Iraq and Afghanistan are not in our best interest. So, lets see if we can't kick the can about and see who presents the best argument.
Thanx! I an agree with that. I don't agree with the intervention in Iraq and never have, but I do see Afghanistan(in a lesser sense), and Pakistan (more so) to be the primary problems facing us today. The manipulation, lies, corruption, police state tactics, etc., imposed by the previous administration is telling. Many across the country are becoming fed up with the current form of government, whether it's a Dem or Rep in the hot seat.
IMO- it was winnable- back in 2003-2004. Then Jorge sidetracked himself in Iraq and turned what should have been the primary goal into a backwater. So, it was winnable. I assume that you mean that it is no longer so. Now we should compound our difficulties by irritating our relationship with a nuclear armed Pakistan to the point that we begin sending our sons onto their soil and instigating God knows what? Heaven forfend.
IMO-yes. Boosh sidetracked us and the major amount of resources for his revenge/WMD/oil scheme. Pakistan never was our friend. They like us because we give them high tech weaponry so they can scrap with Russian-sponsored India. Note- Do you know how many Pakistani's we employ in Iraq to support the troops? Or how many Sri Lankans?, or how many Ugandans? or how many Indians? -Thousands.
#85. To: Sarajevo (#84)
"You are an old man... who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no Third Worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems! One vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variant, multinational dominion of dollars! Petrol dollars, electro dollars, multi-dollars. Reichsmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels! It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic, and subatomic, and galactic structure of things today." - From the movie "Network", 1976.
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#3. To: Sarajevo (#1)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#9. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq.
#20. To: Rotara (#9)
Oh fu*k. I suppose you believe "911 Official Story®" too.
#21. To: Sarajevo (#20)
Oh, F*ck.....no
#29. To: Rotara (#21)
Oh, F*ck.....no
#33. To: Sarajevo (#29)
All I care to know is what I observed on that day.
#37. To: Rotara (#33)
You're a NEOCON. Thanks for playing
#38. To: Sarajevo (#37)
#41. To: Rotara (#38)
An honest NEOCON big statist government worshiping contractor is still a NEOCON.
#42. To: Sarajevo (#41)
Clarify please: do you accept "911 Official Story®" as the truth ?
#45. To: Rotara (#42)
I don't see a basis for discussion between us either.
#47. To: Sarajevo (#45)
Then cease posting to me. It's simple.
#50. To: Rotara (#47)
No it's not.
#51. To: Sarajevo (#50)
WoW...you find it difficult to ignore, or not post to someone whom you disagree with?
#53. To: Rotara (#51)
What do we disagree on ?
#64. To: Sarajevo (#53)
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
So, lets see if we can't kick the can about and see who presents the best argument.
#74. To: Sarajevo (#73)
It's better not to get involved in a no-win useless war in the first place.
#84. To: randge (#74)
I assume that you mean that it is no longer so.
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