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Title: U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/w ... e/07russia.html?_r=1&ref=world
Published: Feb 7, 2009
Author: ELLEN BARRY
Post Date: 2009-02-07 10:19:43 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 1536
Comments: 104
U.S. Can Ship Afghan Aid Through Russia, Kremlin Says By ELLEN BARRY Published: February 6, 2009 MOSCOW — Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said Friday that Russia had fast-tracked approval of a plan to allow the United States military to ship nonlethal equipment across Russian territory to Afghanistan. Skip to next paragraph Related News Analysis: Russia Offers Kind Words, but Its Fist Is Clenched (February 6, 2009) “We gave our consent, literally, in 24 hours,” he said. “We expect our American partners to provide a concrete request with the quantity and description of cargo. We shall grant the relevant permission as soon as it happens.” Russia has emphasized its desire to cooperate with the United States and NATO in Afghanistan since the announcement on Tuesday that Kyrgyzstan, a close Russian ally, will close the Manas air base, a critical link in supplying the war effort in Afghanistan. Losing access to the base is a serious setback to President Obama, who hopes to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. -Snip
Poster Comment: Why wouldn't Russia allow the U.S. to ship Afghanistan bound material through their territory? Our kids are about to be turned into hamburger meat, as were the Russian kids in '87. It's get even time for the Ruskies, and dopey time for anyone supporting this looming mess.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Russia doesn't share a common border with "Afstanigan". We've already pissed of the Uzbeks, and now the Kyrgyz. The routes through Pakistan are unsafe, not to mention the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of the Taliban, and they are not our allies. We could ostensibly air-ship all supplies, but the heavy equipment would end up broken and unrepairable. All those items are transported by ship amd truck. Maybe we can sweet-talk (i.e. pay off) the Turkmenistan government.
Thanks Sarajevo, all the more reason to get the heck out of Afghanistan. We have enough problems without widening another war.
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan. That's where this current debacle started (via Pakistan) and it should have been the primary focus instead of Iraq. This book First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan provides a surprisingly accurate account of why we should be there(a weak Afghan government allowing the expansion of the Taliban), and where we screwed up (giving millions of dollars to Afghani warlords).
I didn't know your position until now, so thanks and good luck selling war here. Be it Bush or Obama, war in Afghanistan is anti-American in every sense of the word. Perhaps if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone. Just a thought.
I'm not here to "sell" a war. I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian and will share a viewpoint every now and then. Oh yeah, they won't leave us alone. We are the "infidel" and as an infidel, we have no rights. I was told that while in Turkey in the '90's. It was rather prophetic.
??? Explain please. Those aren't high point tourist destinations.
??? Explain please. Those aren't high point tourist destinations. I was working in those area's as an evil contractor. I worked as a Remote Duty Paramedic for KBR. I realize that I'll be buried for admitting that little iota of information, but WTH. It was good money, and I had the opportunity to interact with different people, and I traveled to area's that were previously inaccessible.
How did you find 4um?
It wasn't hard. I've been lurking for at least a year now.
Sarajevo: It wasn't hard. I've been lurking for at least a year now. Did your lurking start as part of a DOD job assignment? I'm just curious. You seem to be honest thusfar.
No, I started searching the net after quite a few of the more lucid and interesting posters left ToS for other sites. I've found several sites where they've wandered to. It had nothing to do with my former employer[who, may I say, is a PoS]. The internet can be a small place.
b. It had nothing to do with my former employer[who, may I say, is a PoS]. a. Speaking of lucid interesting posters, if you want to find Burkeman1, who is a poster I personally admire greatly, he's at the following url. I just post at 4um so I am not familiar with regular posters from Tos or LP who have migrated elsewhere. Hope Burkie is one you wanted to trace. thedailyburkeman1.blogspot.com/ b. Music to my ears. You're ok, kid, despite having a few warts.
Thanks for the url. I remember him. I think he was at ToS a couple years ago. He does have some good opinions! You're ok, kid, despite having a few warts. Warts over the age of 50 is OK, but "kid"?
Oops. You struck me as a naive young guy in his 20's who had no ties at home and who wanted to have some "adventures" and quick $, who was footloose and fancy free and able to join the DOD and work as a contractor for KBR.
Actually, I was recruited by KBR when I was in Bosnia, shortly before I retired from the military. As far as a "naive young guy in his 20's", THANX! I'll give you a bear hug for that compliment!:-)_
Oh-oh. Bosnia is bad news. BillyJeff intervention to cover up Monicagate. Now Bosnia is AQ's new transit zone for arms. Can military people ever say "no"? Attacking Bosnia is not defending America. I'm not going there. This venture is not upholding and defending the constitution.
Yep, and we did that one too. After the UN embargo was enacted, we, along with Germany, supplied arms to the Bosnian Muzh. The Russians supplied the Serbs.........you see where that got us. The 1-year peacekeeping mission lasted 11 years. Can military people ever say "no"? Nope. Attacking Bosnia is not defending America. I'm not going there. This venture is not upholding and defending the constitution. We had no business in Bosnia, It was a European issue.
According to Kay Griggs the business of NATO is weapons sales. So, in a strict sense we have business in Europe, Asia, The Pacific Rim, etc.,. because the whole of the US Govt now exists for the benefit of the war-for-profit machine. I suspect that my grandson will return from Iraq believing that 19 Ay-rabs with box cutters had the most incredible luck one day, including causing a steel framed building with the heaviest main support beam of any building in the world (WTC3 straddled a primary electrical substation) to collapse at free fall speed into its own footprint, and wiping out many embarrassing SEC criminal cases that were stored there. And, I too would like to read about life in the theater from your point of view.
After the highly suspicious death of John John, I was even less hopeful that the events of 22 NOV 1963 would ever be revealed. Of course as the conspirators age more may decide that they want to confess before dying, but the majority of aging Americans don't want to risk upsetting the machine that sends their treasury checks each month. It was the murder of JFK (or America's apathy about it) that empowered the boldness we witnessed on 911. So, it's doubtful that I'll live long enough to see the truth about 911 revealed. I hope you don't wait as long for a few crumbs of truth the way I have.
It was the murder of JFK (or America's apathy about it) that empowered the boldness we witnessed on 911. So, it's doubtful that I'll live long enough to see the truth about 911 revealed. I hope you don't wait as long as have for a few crumbs of truth the way I have. I think you are absolutely 100% correct about Evil being empowered by Americans' naivity/apathy to JFK's murder. Speaking of deathbed confessions, what say you about Bush Sr.'s rather odd eulogy at President Ford's funeral, harking back to JFK's death and conspiracy theories...how weird...or maybe not...an old man fearing his Final Judgment coming up fast???
#102. To: scrapper2 (#96)
It was positively BIZARRE! And, yes, I believe that he was whistling past the cemetery, or, rehearsing his alibi for his moment before the throne. If he intended to credit Ford for seeing America through one of our darkest moments he failed, because Ford was a comfort to no one except the conspirators and that was for Ford's work tainting the Warren Commission evidence. No one felt that we were in good hands with him after he pardoned Nixon and then proceeded to trip while deplaning from Air Force One, breaking his fall with his face.... Speaking for myself, my soul was as pained and vacant with Ford as president as when "Landslide Lyndon" took office.
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#3. To: Sarajevo (#1)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#7. To: Sarajevo (#4)
I hope you do not think that I'm against the war in Afghanistan.
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
I didn't know your position until now, so thanks and good luck selling war here.
#23. To: Sarajevo (#19)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian
#31. To: scrapper2, Rotara (#23)
I have had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civilian.
#36. To: Sarajevo (#31)
I was working in those area's as an evil contractor. I worked as a Remote Duty Paramedic for KBR. I realize that I'll be buried for admitting that little iota of information, but WTH. It was good money, and I had the opportunity to interact with different people, and I traveled to area's that were previously inaccessible.
#40. To: scrapper2 (#36)
How did you find 4um?
#44. To: Sarajevo (#40)
scrapper: How did you find 4um?
#48. To: scrapper2 (#44)
Did your lurking start as part of a DOD job assignment?
#56. To: Sarajevo (#48)
a. No, I started searching the net after quite a few of the more lucid and interesting posters left ToS for other sites.
#66. To: scrapper2 (#56)
Speaking of lucid interesting posters, if you want to find Burkeman1, who is a poster I personally admire greatly, he's at the following url.
#69. To: Sarajevo (#66)
Warts over the age of 50 is OK, but "kid"?
#79. To: scrapper2 (#69)
You struck me as a naive young guy in his 20's who had no ties at home and who wanted to have some "adventures" and quick $, who was footloose and fancy free and able to join the DOD and work as a contractor for KBR.
#83. To: Sarajevo (#79)
Actually, I was recruited by KBR when I was in Bosnia, shortly before I retired from the military.
#87. To: scrapper2 (#83)
Oh-oh. Bosnia is bad news. BillyJeff intervention to cover up Monicagate. Now Bosnia is AQ's new transit zone for arms.
#90. To: Sarajevo, scrapper2, Jethro Tull, christine, Rotara (#87)
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We had no business in Bosnia, It was a European issue.
#92. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
#93. To: Rotara (#92)
(Edited)
INVESTIGATE 911
#96. To: HOUNDDAWG (#93)
fter the highly suspicious death of John John, I was even less hopeful that the events of 22 NOV 1963 would ever be revealed. Of course as the conspirators age more may decide that they want to confess before dying, but the majority of aging Americans don't want to risk upsetting the machine that sends their treasury checks each month.
Replies to Comment # 96. Speaking of deathbed confessions, what say you about Bush Sr.'s rather odd eulogy at President Ford's funeral, harking back to JFK's death and conspiracy theories...how weird...or maybe not...an old man fearing his Final Judgment coming up fast???
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