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Title: Government To Maintain List Of People Who Aren't Terrorists
Source: Wired
URL Source: http://www.roguegovernment.com/Gove ... errorists/14204/0/7/7/Y/M.html
Published: Feb 11, 2009
Author: .
Post Date: 2009-02-11 07:51:36 by PSUSA
Keywords: None
Views: 702
Comments: 41

The House overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the creation of a new kind of terrorist watchlist: a database of people who aren't terrorists, but are routinely flagged at airports anyway.

The U.S. government maintains a list of about a million names of suspected terrorists that is crosschecked with passenger names ahead of airline boarding. The list has been dogged for years by sloppy name matches that have ensnared innocent travelers, children, prominent politicians and government officials, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' secretary of education and all men named David Nelson.

Under the new plan, approved late Tuesday 413-3, innocent victims of the terrorist watchlist must prove to the Department of Homeland Security, through an undetermined appeals process, that they are not terrorists. They would then get their names put on what the legislation calls the "Comprehensive Cleared List."

The legislation is another attempt to assist wrongly flagged passengers and would supersede the troubled DHS Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, which has been criticized for being slow or unresponsive to flier complaints.

The FAST Redress Act, if approved by the Senate, requires the government to report within 240 days on its progress in implementing the new list.

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#6. To: PSUSA (#0)

The House overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the creation of a new kind of terrorist watchlist: a database of people who aren't terrorists, but are routinely flagged at airports anyway.

I thought that this was an Onion piece at first, but it's dead serious. The government is becoming so paranoid that everyone's a terrorist until proven innocent by database.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2009-02-11   11:51:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)

I thought that this was an Onion piece at first, but it's dead serious. The government is becoming so paranoid that everyone's a terrorist until proven innocent by database.

Call me thick, but actually, at first glance at least, I think this is a good bill. It's to give an opportunity for people, whose names have been arbitrarily or accidently or maliciously been put on the DHS no-fly list, to clear up the error.

What am I missing here?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-11   18:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)

The problem is with the fact that you need to have your name listed in a database to begin with in order to prove that you aren't a terrorist. So the burden of proof is on you to show that you aren't a terrorist and get your name on the "Can Fly" list.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2009-02-11   18:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#13) (Edited)

The problem is with the fact that you need to have your name listed in a database to begin with in order to prove that you aren't a terrorist. So the burden of proof is on you to show that you aren't a terrorist and get your name on the "Can Fly" list.

Well that's the whole point of this new bill, isn't it?

To give opportunity to those who have been wrongly listed on the No Fly List by DHS to demonstrate that they have been wrongly accused.

Up until this bill was passed, these No Fly listed people had no recourse, no channel to use to clear their names.

Sorry, but I still think this bill has merit.

Look, I understand that in a normal America, there should be no DHS Brown Shirts with Unlimited Powers and there also should be no odious No Fly Lists, but we are here and this the way it is now and actually as I understand it, the Congressman who sponsored this bill did so because of all the incidents that have come to light of nice ordinary citizens having their names on the No Fly List and having no recourse to clear their names.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-11   18:40:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: scrapper2 (#14)

I accuse you of being a "terrorist". Now, PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT!

It turns the "innocent until proven guilty" upside down. Now, explain your "recourse". Demonstrate how you are innocent.

Are you having a sheeple flashback? The bastards that put you on that list "mistakenly" did not find you guilty of anything. There was no due process.

... through an undetermined appeals process,"

Did you notice that???

PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-11   20:11:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA (#16)

... through an undetermined appeals process,"

Did you notice that???

The legislation was just passed in Congress a few days ago so of course the appeals mechanism has not been set up yet by the gov't bureaucracy in question, DHS.

Fine, you're right. I'm wrong. This legislation stinks. There should be no recourse for people erroneously put on the No Fly List. Let them drive to domestic locations or Europe for business and pleasure. That makes so much more sense.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-11   20:25:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: scrapper2 (#17)

Fine, you're right. I'm wrong. This legislation stinks. There should be no recourse for people erroneously put on the No Fly List. Let them drive to domestic locations or Europe for business and pleasure. That makes so much more sense.

wow

"What we have here is a failure to communicate"

Or, you're both communicating different ideas.

"Mr. Obama, TEAR DOWN THESE LISTS !"

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-11   20:36:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rotara (#18)

"Mr. Obama, TEAR DOWN THESE LISTS !"

If you'll note what I said in msg 14:

"Look, I understand that in a normal America, there should be no DHS Brown Shirts with Unlimited Powers and there also should be no odious No Fly Lists, but we are here and this the way it is now..."

Obama and his Rat colleagues are not going to deep-6 the No Fly Lists or disband DHS Brown Shirts. Forget about it. As I recall, it was the Dimwit Party that had a hard on to establish the DHS and pressed it on W, who did not want it initially, and ultimately convinced him to go along with the idea, probably offering him some type of quid pro quo support on an issue he and the GOPers wanted. DHS is the Dimwits' baby. It's not going anywhere for the next 4-8 years. Get used to it.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-11   20:53:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)

I understand.

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-11   20:58:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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