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Title: Government To Maintain List Of People Who Aren't Terrorists
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URL Source: http://www.roguegovernment.com/Gove ... errorists/14204/0/7/7/Y/M.html
Published: Feb 11, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-02-11 07:51:36 by PSUSA
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The House overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the creation of a new kind of terrorist watchlist: a database of people who aren't terrorists, but are routinely flagged at airports anyway. The U.S. government maintains a list of about a million names of suspected terrorists that is crosschecked with passenger names ahead of airline boarding. The list has been dogged for years by sloppy name matches that have ensnared innocent travelers, children, prominent politicians and government officials, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' secretary of education and all men named David Nelson. Under the new plan, approved late Tuesday 413-3, innocent victims of the terrorist watchlist must prove to the Department of Homeland Security, through an undetermined appeals process, that they are not terrorists. They would then get their names put on what the legislation calls the "Comprehensive Cleared List." The legislation is another attempt to assist wrongly flagged passengers and would supersede the troubled DHS Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, which has been criticized for being slow or unresponsive to flier complaints. The FAST Redress Act, if approved by the Senate, requires the government to report within 240 days on its progress in implementing the new list.
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#1. To: All (#0)
Tell ya what. How about a big FUCK YOU to the airlines AND the DHS? Prove to the DHS you are innocent?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files So basically its official. We are all terrorists except those who are with the government. Like Bush said, Either you are for me or against us.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" It passed 413 to 3. I have an idea on who one of the 3 was. But with those 3 exceptions, the rest are enemies and deserve to die a traitors death. Hung at the end of a rope until they are dead. Or maybe piano wire.
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I always go for nakked in a glass cage put on the steps of congress as a living monument to the will of the people.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I thought that this was an Onion piece at first, but it's dead serious. The government is becoming so paranoid that everyone's a terrorist until proven innocent by database.
It does sound like the Onion. But I will never post anything like that as a news story. Humor, yes. News, no. No need to, really. Not anymore.
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They know we would dance on their graves with enthusiasm. ;-)
4um Traitor That would be fitting for some of them. Give people a sharp stick to poke them with, for say $1 per poke. They'll get it back with the beer that money would buy.
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They also know who will put them into said graves.
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www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-49 Nay's on passage of H.R. 559: Fair, Accurate, Secure, and Timely Redress Act of 2009 were as follows: Westmoreland, Lynn [R] Georgia Broun, Paul [R] Georgia Poe, Ted [R] Texas
Call me thick, but actually, at first glance at least, I think this is a good bill. It's to give an opportunity for people, whose names have been arbitrarily or accidently or maliciously been put on the DHS no-fly list, to clear up the error. What am I missing here?
The problem is with the fact that you need to have your name listed in a database to begin with in order to prove that you aren't a terrorist. So the burden of proof is on you to show that you aren't a terrorist and get your name on the "Can Fly" list.
Well that's the whole point of this new bill, isn't it? To give opportunity to those who have been wrongly listed on the No Fly List by DHS to demonstrate that they have been wrongly accused. Up until this bill was passed, these No Fly listed people had no recourse, no channel to use to clear their names. Sorry, but I still think this bill has merit. Look, I understand that in a normal America, there should be no DHS Brown Shirts with Unlimited Powers and there also should be no odious No Fly Lists, but we are here and this the way it is now and actually as I understand it, the Congressman who sponsored this bill did so because of all the incidents that have come to light of nice ordinary citizens having their names on the No Fly List and having no recourse to clear their names.
to any and all federal agencies and agents ! The airlines are federal corporations just like the banks and the FDIC.
If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. Henry David Thoreau - 1849
I accuse you of being a "terrorist". Now, PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT! It turns the "innocent until proven guilty" upside down. Now, explain your "recourse". Demonstrate how you are innocent. Are you having a sheeple flashback? The bastards that put you on that list "mistakenly" did not find you guilty of anything. There was no due process. ... through an undetermined appeals process," Did you notice that???
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Did you notice that??? The legislation was just passed in Congress a few days ago so of course the appeals mechanism has not been set up yet by the gov't bureaucracy in question, DHS. Fine, you're right. I'm wrong. This legislation stinks. There should be no recourse for people erroneously put on the No Fly List. Let them drive to domestic locations or Europe for business and pleasure. That makes so much more sense.
wow "What we have here is a failure to communicate" Or, you're both communicating different ideas. "Mr. Obama, TEAR DOWN THESE LISTS !"
4um Traitor If you'll note what I said in msg 14: "Look, I understand that in a normal America, there should be no DHS Brown Shirts with Unlimited Powers and there also should be no odious No Fly Lists, but we are here and this the way it is now..." Obama and his Rat colleagues are not going to deep-6 the No Fly Lists or disband DHS Brown Shirts. Forget about it. As I recall, it was the Dimwit Party that had a hard on to establish the DHS and pressed it on W, who did not want it initially, and ultimately convinced him to go along with the idea, probably offering him some type of quid pro quo support on an issue he and the GOPers wanted. DHS is the Dimwits' baby. It's not going anywhere for the next 4-8 years. Get used to it.
I understand.
4um Traitor That's how I remember it also. The DHS plan had been sitting on the shelf since '94 or'96 I believe. IIRC, the FBI was short on resources and 911 presented the PERFECT opportunity to usher in hep. Hep is on da way. Next thing you know, we have 40K new federal TSA workers with matching kerchiefs and snappy jackets. And power. Maybe the 'trade off' was to help Bush sell the Iraq war.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing IIRC the genesis came from Carlyle Groupers like Bush I and James Baker. It was a PaleoComm-NeoCon creation just waiting for the New Pearl Harbor. The legislation that came of the shelf within days of OKC bom-bing ? Came from the same place.
4um Traitor The PNAC'ers?
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing There were enough IsraelFirster Dimwits on board from the get go on that issue. W didn't need to twist Dimwit arms to vote "yea" for the Iraq War.
Olivia: The PNAC'ers? No, OKC was under the Dimwit-Clinton regime.
The PNAC'ers? They weren't called PNAC'ers until later on.
4um Traitor It was dreamed up by Clinton's good buddy G HW Bush and Co. long before G HW Bush handed the baton to Clinton. They had thousands of pages written for the bill long before the event itself.
4um Traitor I remember when OKC happened, but thought perhaps the DHS may have been included in the PNAC handbook and lunchbox.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing Ahh.. okay, thanks.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing Turtle has wings, watch him soar. He will never take an airplane again.
on e for all my lists if you take an airplane for any reason your part of the problem give up flying now and drain the beast dry
the american government is a disease masquerading as its own cure Nah, the only way a bill would have merit is if it killed the no fly list altogether. Other than that, it is just commie, fascist, nwo bullshit.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. They don't have power over me. I am on the "Will not fly, ever, under any circumstances, even if I was dying and my lifesaving operation was 4 hours away by plane and I had five hours to live." list now.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. We are all terrorists except those who are with the government. And you are an extra special terrorist cuz you have a gyroscope in your living room... or was that Olivia?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. ROFL! I don't like to fly anyway, arms get tired. hahah.sorry.. Nope, I'm with you. After flight 1549 and a dual engine bird strike, I'm out. First you had to be 'so' tall to ride the rides. Then, you had to remember if you packed your own bag or not. Then, no shampoo, soap on a rope, or water. Next comes making your reservations online and after you pay you get to know the price of the ticket. No refunds for emergency cancellations. Then, I need a PriceLine negotiator and you can't wipe the image of Bill Shatner in red open toed pumps out of your mind. I said.. fine.. I can take it. Then, bird strike. It's a sign. Moving on to pontoons.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing Not me. I thought it was a nifty bowling ball washer.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing It's a sign. Moving on to pontoons. What took you so long? I swore off flying the very minute I heard that you had to take your shoes off. Screw that. I'd get arrested for telling the dumb SOB off that asked that of me. :)
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. Well, you have to know your limits. I really used to like flying after the screaming stopped. But I was younger then.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing Yep, no more commercial aviation for me. It's general aviation or ground-based transportation only for me. I quit back in 1997.
_________________________________________________________________________ The key PNAC players have the same things in common with the neoliberals. Under their newly discovered conservativism post their embrace of Trotskyism, they are socialists and IsraelFirsters to the core.
Fine, you're right. I'm wrong. This legislation stinks. There should be no recourse for people erroneously put on the No Fly List. Let them drive to domestic locations or Europe for business and pleasure. That makes so much more sense. We are not on the same page here. This isn't a fight, I am trying to figure out where you are coming from because we usually agree on things. Look at the "recourse". Our .gov thinks YOU must prove yourself innocent. Tell me, how do you prove yourself innocent if you are not allowed to see the "evidence" that put you on the list in the first place? Was there ANY due process? Did you attend a hearing? How can you possibly call that "recourse"? You want recourse? Trash that list. The list is silly. If they are a boogieman "terrorist", then they should not be free in the first place. But I dont care one way or the other. I'll never fly again.
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innocent victims of the terrorist watchlist must prove to the Department of Homeland Security, through an undetermined appeals process, that they are not terrorists.
#2. To: PSUSA (#1)
a big AMEN bump
#3. To: PSUSA (#0)
#4. To: tom007, All (#3)
#5. To: PSUSA (#4)
Hung at the end of a rope until they are dead.
#6. To: PSUSA (#0)
The House overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the creation of a new kind of terrorist watchlist: a database of people who aren't terrorists, but are routinely flagged at airports anyway.
#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)
#8. To: PSUSA (#1)
Prove to the DHS you are innocent?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#9. To: tom007 (#5)
I always go for nakked in a glass cage put on the steps of congress as a living monument to the will of the people.
#10. To: Rotara (#8)
(Edited)
They know we would dance on their graves with enthusiasm. ;-)
#11. To: PSUSA (#4)
It passed 413 to 3. I have an idea on who one of the 3 was.
#12. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)
I thought that this was an Onion piece at first, but it's dead serious. The government is becoming so paranoid that everyone's a terrorist until proven innocent by database.
#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)
#14. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#13)
(Edited)
The problem is with the fact that you need to have your name listed in a database to begin with in order to prove that you aren't a terrorist. So the burden of proof is on you to show that you aren't a terrorist and get your name on the "Can Fly" list.
#15. To: PSUSA (#1)
Tell ya what. How about a big FUCK YOU
#16. To: scrapper2 (#14)
#17. To: PSUSA (#16)
... through an undetermined appeals process,"
#18. To: scrapper2 (#17)
Fine, you're right. I'm wrong. This legislation stinks. There should be no recourse for people erroneously put on the No Fly List. Let them drive to domestic locations or Europe for business and pleasure. That makes so much more sense.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#19. To: Rotara (#18)
"Mr. Obama, TEAR DOWN THESE LISTS !"
#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#21. To: scrapper2 (#19)
As I recall, it was the Dimwit Party that had a hard on to establish the DHS and pressed it on W, who did not want it initially, and ultimately convinced him to go along with the idea, probably offering him some type of quid pro quo support on an issue he and the GOPers wanted
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#22. To: OliviaFNewton, scrapper2 (#21)
The DHS plan had been sitting on the shelf since '94 or'96 I believe.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#23. To: Rotara (#22)
IIRC the genesis came from Carlyle Groupers like Bush I and James Baker. It was a PaleoComm-NeoCon creation just waiting for the New Pearl Harbor. The legislation that came of the shelf within days of OKC bom-bing ? Came from the same place.
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#24. To: OliviaFNewton (#21)
Maybe the 'trade off' was to help Bush sell the Iraq war.
#25. To: Rotara (#23)
Rotara: The legislation that came of the shelf within days of OKC bom-bing ? Came from the same place.
#26. To: OliviaFNewton (#23)
IIRC the genesis came from Carlyle Groupers like Bush I and James Baker. It was a PaleoComm-NeoCon creation just waiting for the New Pearl Harbor. The legislation that came of the shelf within days of OKC bom-bing ? Came from the same place.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#27. To: scrapper2 (#25)
No, OKC was under the Dimwit-Clinton regime.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#28. To: scrapper2 (#25)
No, OKC was under the Dimwit-Clinton regime.
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#29. To: Rotara (#26)
They weren't called PNAC'ers until later on.
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#30. To: PSUSA (#0)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#31. To: PSUSA, *Shooters*, *Music Club*, *libertarians*, *LEAP*, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *Humor-Weird News*, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)
#32. To: scrapper2 (#14)
Sorry, but I still think this bill has merit.
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#33. To: OliviaFNewton (#21)
we have 40K new federal TSA workers with matching kerchiefs and snappy jackets. And power.
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#34. To: tom007, OliviaFNewton (#3)
So basically its official.
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#35. To: Critter (#33)
They don't have power over me. I am on the "Will not fly, ever, under any circumstances, even if I was dying and my lifesaving operation was 4 hours away by plane and I had five hours to live." list now.
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#36. To: Critter (#34)
And you are an extra special terrorist cuz you have a gyroscope in your living room... or was that Olivia?
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#37. To: OliviaFNewton (#35)
Then, bird strike.
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#38. To: Critter (#37)
What took you so long? I swore off flying the very minute I heard that you had to take your shoes off. Screw that. I'd get arrested for telling the dumb SOB off that asked that of me. :)
robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89777&Disp=120#C120
#39. To: Critter (#37)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#40. To: OliviaFNewton, Rotara (#28)
DHS may have been included in the PNAC handbook and lunchbox.
#41. To: scrapper2 (#17)
The legislation was just passed in Congress a few days ago so of course the appeals mechanism has not been set up yet by the gov't bureaucracy in question, DHS.
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