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Hardly anyone knows about this. Probably because it wasn't "jews" that died.
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Dresden - A Real Holocaust & Act Of Terrorism From 2-14-4 www.rense.com/general49/dres.htm 2-12-9 Once again we pause to remember... Fifty-nine years ago, on the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism began against a defenseless German city, one of the greatest cultural centers of northern Europe. Within less than 14 hours, not only was it reduced to flaming ruins, but an estimated one-third of its inhabitants--possibly as many as half a million--had perished in what was the worst massacre of all time. As Americans continue to bemoan the loss of fewer than 3,000 at Larry Silverstein's World Trade Center and the Pentagon as they themselves prepare to slaughter many times that number in an act of unprovoked aggression in Iraq, few know--less care--about the campaign of cold-blooded TERRORISM conducted against German civilians during World War II, culminating in the extermination of well over 300,000. The following account, taken from the Feb. 1985 issue of the NS Bulletin, tells us what a REAL holocaust is like. Toward the end of World War II, as Allied planes rained death and destruction over Germany, the old Saxon city of Dresden lay like an island of tranquility amid desolation. Famous as a cultural center and possessing no military value, Dresden had been spared the terror that descended from the skies over the rest of the country. In fact, little had been done to provide the ancient city of artists and craftsmen with anti-aircraft defenses. One squadron of planes had been stationed in Dresden for awhile, but the Luftwaffe decided to move the aircraft to another area where they would be of use. A gentlemen's agreement seemed to prevail, designating Dresden an "open city." On Shrove Tuesday, February 13, 1945, a flood of refugees fleeing the Red Army 60 miles away had swollen the city's population to well over a million. Each new refugee brought fearful accounts of Soviet atrocities. Little did those refugees retreating from the Red terror imagine that they were about to die in a horror worse than anything Stalin could devise. Normally, a carnival atmosphere prevailed in Dresden on Shrove Tuesday. In 1945, however, the outlook was rather dismal. Houses everywhere overflowed with refugees, and thousands were forced to camp out in the streets shivering in the bitter cold. However, the people felt relatively safe; and although the mood was grim, the circus played to a full house that night as thousands came to forget for a moment the horrors of war. Bands of little girls paraded about in carnival dress in an effort to bolster waning spirits. Half-sad smiles greeted the laughing girles, but spirits were lifted. No one realized that in less than 24 hours those same innocent chilren would die screaming in Churchill's firestorms. But, of course, no one could know that then. The Russians, to be sure, were savages, but at least the Americans and British were "honorable." So when those first alarms signaled the start of 14 hours of hell, Dresden's people streamed dutifully into their shelters. But they did so without much enthusiasm, believing the alarms to be false, since their city had never been threatened from the air. Many would never come out alive, for that "great democratic statesman," Winston Churchill--in collusion with that other "great democratic statesman," Franklin Delano Roosevelt--had decided that the city of Dresden was to be obliterated by saturation bombing. What where Churchill's motives? They appear to have been political, rather than military. Historians unanimously agree that Dresden had no military value. What industry it did have produced only cigarettes and china. But the Yalta Conference was coming up, in which the Soviets and their Western allies would sit down like ghouls to carve up the shattered corpse of Europe. Churchill wanted a trump card-- a devastating "thunderclap of Anglo-American annihilation"-- with which to "impress" Stalin. That card, however, was never played at Yalta, because bad weather delayed the originally scheduled raid. Yet Churchill insisted that the raid be carried out--to "disrupt and confuse" the German civilian population behind the lines. Dresden's citizens barely had time to reach their shelters. The first bomb fell at 10:09 p.m. The attack lasted 24 minutes, leaving the inner city a raging sea of fire. "Precision saturation bombing" had created the desired firestorm. A firestorm is caused when hundreds of smaller fires join in one vast conflagration. Huge masses of air are sucked in to feed the inferno, causing an artificial tornado. Those persons unlucky enough to be caught in the rush of wind are hurled down entire streets into the flames. Those who seek refuge underground often suffocate as oxygen is pulled from the air to feed the blaze, or they perish in a blast of white heat--heat intense enough to melt human flesh. WOMEN AND CHILDREN TARGETED One eyewitness who survived told of seeing "young women carrying babies running up and down the streets, their dresses and hair on fire, screaming until they fell down, or the collapsing buildings fell on top of them." There was a three-hour pause between the first and second raids. The lull had been calculated to lure civilians from their shelters into the open again. To escape the flames, tens of thousands of civilians had crowded into the Grosser Garten, a magnificent park nearly one and a half miles square. The second raid came at 1:22 a.m. with no warning. Twice as many bombers returned with a massive load of incendiary bombs. The second wave was designed to spread the raging firestorm into the Grosser Garten. It was a complete "success." Within a few minutes a sheet of flame ripped across the grass, uprooting trees and littering the branches of others with everything from bicycles to human limbs. For days afterward, they remained bizarrely strewn about as grim reminders of Allied sadism. At the start of the second air assault, many were still huddled in tunnels and cellars, waiting for the fires of the first attack to die down. At 1:30 a.m. an ominous rumble reached the ears of the commander of a Labor Service convoy sent into the city on a rescue mission. He described it this way: "The detonation shook the cellar walls. The sound of the explosions mingled with a new, stranger sound which seemed to come closer and closer, the sound of a thundering waterfall; it was the sound of the mighty tornado howling in the inner city." MELTING HUMAN FLESH Others hiding below ground died. But they died painlessly-- they simply glowed bright orange and blue in the darkness. As the heat intensified, they either disintegrated into cinders or melted into a thick liquid--often three or four feet deep in spots. Shortly after 10:30 on the morning of February 14, the last raid swept over the city. American bombers pounded the rubble that had been Dresden for a steady 38 minutes. But this attack was not nearly as heavy as the first two. However, what distinuished this raid was the cold-blooded ruthlessness with which it was carried out. U.S. Mustangs appeared low over the city, strafing anything that moved, including a column of rescue vehicles rushing to the city to evacuate survivors. One assault was aimed at the banks of the Elbe River, where refugees had huddled during the horrible night. In the last year of the war, Dresden had become a hospital town. During the previous night's massacre, heroic nurses had dragged thousands of crippled patients to the Elbe. The low-flying Mustangs machine-gunned those helpless patients, as well as thousands of old men, women and children who had escaped the city. When the last plane left the sky, Dresden was a scorched ruin, its blackened streets filled with corpses. The city was spared no horror. A flock of vultures escaped from the zoo and fattened on the carnage. Rats swarmed over the piles of corpses. A Swiss citizen described his visit to Dresden two weeks after the raid: "I could see torn-off arms and legs, mutilated torsos and heads which had been wrenched from their bodies and rolled away. In places the corpses were still lying so densely that I had to clear a path through them in order not to tread on arms and legs." The death toll was staggering. The full extent of the Dresden Holocaust can be more readily grasped if one considers that well over 250,000--possibly as many as a half a million--persons died within a 14-hour period, whereas estimates of those who died at Hiroshima range from 90,000 to 140,000.* Allied apologists for the massacre have often "twinned" Dresden with the English city of Coventry. But the 380 killed in Coventry during the entire war cannot begin to compare with over 1,000 times that number who were slaughtered in 14 hours at Dresden. Moreover, Coventry was a munitions center, a legitimate military target. Dresden, on the other hand, produced only china-- and cups and saucers can hardly be considered military hardware! It is interesting to further compare the respective damage to London and Dresden, especially when we recall all the Hollywood schmaltz about the "London blitz." In one night, 1,6000 acres of land were destroyed in the Dresden massacre. London escaped with damage to only 600 acres during the entire war. In one ironic note, Dresden's only conceivable military target-- its railroad yards--was ignored by Allied bombers. They were too busy concentrating on helpless old men, women and children. If ever there was a war crime, then certainly the Dresden Holocaust ranks as the most sordid one of all time. Yet there are no movies made today condemning this fiendish slaugher; nor did any Allied airman--or Sir Winston--sit in the dock at Nuremberg. In fact, the Dresden airmen were actually awarded medals for their role in this mass murder. But, of course, they could not have been tried, because there were "only following orders." This is not to say that the mountains of corpses left in Dresden were ignored by the Nuremberg Tribunal. In one final irony, the prosecution presented photographs of the Dresden dead as "evidence" of alleged National Socialist atrocities against Jewish concentration-camp inmates! Churchill, the monster who ordered the Dresden slaugher, was knighted, and the rest is history. The cold-blooded sadism of the massacre, however, is brushed aside by his biographers, who still cannot bring themselves to tell how the desire of one madman to "impress" another one let to the mass murder of up to a half million men, women and children. NEVER SHALL WE FORGET THE VICTIMS OF THIS UNSPEAKABLE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! Comment From Wolfgang May 2-14-4 Jeff - Thanks for the Dresden story! As a young child, my grandmother, mother, and I were evacuated to Dresden with the last train from Breslau. Fortunately, the city was so overcrowded, that we were forced to seek refuge in a small village outside Dresden. If you are going to post this story in your archives, I would love to link to my tiny home page at
They knew that the A-bomb was not going to be ready.
Churchill and Truman, war criminals extraordinaire, but Bush and Obamma may just match them yet.
I didnt know about the strafing of survivors. But it fits. I can see them doing that. Anyone proud to call themselves "american" simply needs to do more research. Then they'll learn a few things. But they wont. It disturbs their sleep.
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This would not surprise me, but it is the first I've heard it. Do you have other sources?
Erectus Walks Amongst Us "It is interesting to note, that it has been proven in recent years, that many of the pictures taken in Germany during WW II, purporting to be Jewish victims of ''racial extermination,'' were actually pictures of German civilians who had died under American war criminals."
The Sad Story of East Prussia "Kill!Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm forward. Kill! You gallant soldiers of the Red army." Ilya Ehrenburg Murder by Drowning When, in the winter of 1945, East Prussia was cut off from the west, the only possibility of escape for many to leave was from the small port of Pillau and over the Baltic Sea toward the west. Many desperate civilians in Königsberg had only one route of escape, a frigid walk over ice floes on half thawed lagoons to Frische Nehrung, a narrow slice of land, from where they could go on to reach Danzig. Almost a million people are said to have attempted this perilous crossing. Survivors who were children at the time recount the hopelessness and horror of having to make this deadly trek in the dark while around them whole families who were pulling carts and sleds filled with children and the elderly slid into holes in the ice and plunged into the unforgiving sea. "The Germans are not human beings. From now on the word German is for us the worst imaginable curse and strikes us to the quick. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day,you have wasted that day....for us there is nothing more joyful than a heap of German corpses." IIya Ehrenburg In daylight, others were intentionally drowned when Soviet planes circling overhead intentionally cut off large ice floes with artillery fire, sending them adrift into a bleak abyss. Those who attempted an escape on the roadways witnessed other terrors as carts of fleeing people were crushed and mowed over by advancing Russian tanks. Dead humans and animals lined the overflowing roads while stunned, crying children and frantic, screaming mothers stretched through mile after mile of human misery. Unprepared for the 60 degrees below zero wind chill and deep snow, some turned back home in despair. Blazing farms lit up the horizon, burned by the Red Army or set on fire by their hopeless owners who then committed suicide. This was part the "orderly and humane expulsion" of Germans that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin shook hands to. A Horse and a Kingdom. A Civilian Maritime Disaster with no Movie The Wilhelm Gustloff was a 25,000-ton passenger liner. On January 30, 1945, when it steamed out of Gotenhafen it carried a crew of 1,100 officers and men, 73 critically wounded soldiers, 373 young women of the Women's Naval Auxiliary and more than 6,000 desperate refugees, most of them women and children who had reached the safety of the ship after grueling personal ordeals. The Gustloff was 13 miles off the coast of Pomerania when 3 torpedoes from a Soviet sub under the command of Captain A.I. Marinesko, struck the ship. 90 minutes later it sank under the icy waves of the Baltic. Barely 1,100 survived. At least 7,000 Germans died. A few days later, on February 10, Marinesko struck again and sank the German hospital ship the General von Steuben carrying 3,500 wounded soldiers and another 1,000 refugees. Homicide by Incineration By February of 1945, thousands upon thousands of panic stricken refugees who managed to survive the grueling exodus from the eastern regions flooded into Dresden and other towns and cities seeking shelter and help. On the 14th and 15th of February, Dresden was incinerated More than 1.9 million of the nearly 2.4 million East Prussians joined by Germans from central Poland fled westward under these horrible conditions. 173,000 people could not or would not leave. Later, researchers of the Federal Archives counted 3,300 locations in areas they had access to where at least 120,000 German civilians were either shot or beaten to death by the Red Army. "The German 'good fellows', those who at home give way to sentimentalities, piggy-backs to their kiddies and feed the German cats with morsels of their rationed hamburgers, murder Russian children with the same pedantry as do the bad Germans. They murder because they have come to believe that only people with German blood are worthy of living on this earth of ours." IIya Ehrenburg A World Made Safe for Uncle Joe, "Our Noble Ally" Virtually every city that refugees were known to have flocked to, from Kiel to Swinemünde, suffered from major catastrophic Allied bombing attacks as part of "Operation Thunderclap" and "Operation Clarion". Two Allied air raids were carried out on the old city of Königsberg on August 26/27 and August 29/30, 1944 based on "misinformation" from Churchill that it was a "a modernised heavily defended fortress." 90% of the city of Kant was absolutely destroyed and it burned for several days. The entire historic city center, including the cathedral, the castle, the old churches, the old and the new universities and the old shipping quarter were entirely destroyed. During January and February of 1945, the "evacuation" of surviving German began, including those who had returned to reunite with or save their families. The remaining German population of East Prussia was expelled at that time with many people deported as forced laborers to the Gulag, and others held as virtual prisoners until 1949, during which time many died of disease and starvation. These last remaining German residents were expelled in more ethnic cleansing of 1949-50. The Red Army immediately began a course of methodically erasing any trace of former German presence. The German cities and towns were neglected or demolished and the place names all changed. Königsberg, founded in 1255, was renamed Kalingrad in honor of a murderous Soviet thug who never stepped foot in the city. In July of 1945, northern East Prussia became part of the USSR and in the autumn the first Soviet settlers arrived from Russian, Belarus and the Ukraine. The city of Kant was doomed, and the beauty that had come with wisdom, age and grace was to be poorly remodelled. The 800 year old Königsberg castle was dynamited to make way for ta hideous 22-story "House of Soviets," however the castle had contained many underground tunnels and the building above began to slowly collapse. Because of Kalingrad's use as a navy base, there is nuclear pollution and the city bore grave contamination from the Chernobyl disaster. Its streets are crime and drug infested, filthy and stinking, and it has one of the world's highest rate of AIDS. Kalingrad was declared a 'free economic zone' in 1992 in a futile attempt to revive the economy. It never developed into a "Hong Kong of the Baltic" as some desired, and corruption keeps most investment away. Approximately 400,000 people live in metropolitan Kaliningrad and a total of one million are in the "oblast" but not those people who bravely settled the land hundreds of years ago. U.S. military Poster In the late 1980's some ethnic Germans arrived, most driven out of other parts of the USSR, and by 1991, 5,000 ethnic Germans inhabited the city and 13,000 the region. Closed off to foreigners since WWII, the Kaliningrad region, about one half the size of Belgium and some 200 miles away from the border of Russia proper, was reopened on January 1, 1991 when the first direct train since 1945 ran from Kaliningrad to Berlin. After the fall of the USSR when neighboring Lithuania and former Soviet republics gained their independence, Kaliningrad had been cut off from Russia. Although railroads connect Kaliningrad to Russia though Lithuania and Belarus, high tariffs in Lithuania make importing food and supplies from Russia prohibitively expensive. In an article of March, 3,1945 Ehrenburg emphasized that the "historical mission of the Soviet army consists in a modest and honorable task of reduction of the population of Germany." Ehrenburg whipped the Red Army into such a fury with his pathological hatred that by the time they arrived in East Prussia it was easy to rape and kill. In that light, reports of young women in East Prussia having been crucified on barn doors, or tied up by their legs to two cars then torn apart, or of naked girls being tied together by a rope and dragged behind wagons until their skin shed, or of small groups of children being found with their tongues nailed to tables or of lifeless babies discovered with broken craniums with their bodies punctured by bayonets, are all withing the realm of reason. It is said that every captured woman between eight and eighty was violently raped and many were killed after. In August, 1944, news got out that in the East Prussian villages of Nemmersdorf and Goldap, the Red Army had entered the town and raped, tortured and murdered all of the inhabitants, down to the last baby. The violence spread and hopeless people panicked, their only options being hiding, flight or fighting. This also played out in West Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, the Sudetenland and other areas of eastern Europe. There were uncounted scenes of terror as people decided to flee as quickly as possible, hoping to find refuge and safety. The Red Army was cajoled to behave in Germany "as Mongolian hordes of old " by Stalin's propagandists, among whom was the grand master of hate, Ilya Ehrenburg, who encouraged communist troops to injure, torture, rape and kill all German civilians.
Vladimir Nabokov wrote of him: "As a writer he doesn't exist, Ehrenburg. He is a journalist. He was always corrupt" Understatement.
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. survived Dresden as a prisoner of war, deep in a slaughterhouse. Hence, his title, "Slaughterhouse Five."
Friend of mine was young teenager at that time.She was hidden in large wood pile for an extended period of time. There were Volga Germans conscripted into the Red Army. After the front moved West, her family was befriended by such a young man and he took it upon himself to keep the animals away.
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I have a friend in TX who converted to Judaism. She had to jump through hoops and take a lot of classes in order to convert. When I told her about Ilya Ehrenburg she did not believe me, she told me he was an author who wrote a well known book about automobiles, and that he was a poet. She said there is a memorial to him in Israel, but she was totally unaware of his role in the slaughter of East Prussia. The soldiers actually went out of their way to target women and children (many gang-raped to death), even if most of the men of fighting age were already dead. I found all of this out when I tried to do some research on my grandfather's family whom I had never met, needless to say they don't teach that stuff in history class.
I read that book in high school but I don't remember much of it. My father always said Churchill should have been tried as a war criminal for his role in the bombing of Dresden, one of the most beautiful cities in Europe, a living museum.
All politicians are war criminals, which is why when I come out of the Ozarks someday and become King, I'm going hang several thousand people. That is, if I ever come out of the Ozarks.
Hey you can become King of the Ozarks! (and find a beautiful cabin in the woods for me to live in)
Turtle has collected many pieces of cardboard and soon will have his palace in the Ozarks finished. And yes, you can live in it.
Surely tom007 will come up with a photo of this cardboard cabin to be!
He has learned his lesson not to make fun of Turtle since I flogged him and the other Buckwheat bellhops with my Brain.All are now appropriately cowed.
That was an interesting article. The articles, and other things, makes me wonder if the wrong people won that war, and what this world would be like if Hitler had won. So much history is BS that it's hard to tell fact from deliberate lies.
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We should have stayed out of the war, and at least supported the Germans against the Jewish Bolshevists of Russia.
Don't wonder, read "Mien Kampf"(sp)(My Struggle, Hitler's own blueprint for the future of Germany with him as their Supreme Leader. The German race was to rule the world, and the rest of the races were to be their slaves, in short. No informed person can have any question about what the NAZI's were about. Gangsterism is really what they were - and the fact they managed to swindle the German people into supporting them is a frightening note for our times. This is what God wanted, naturally. Why God couldn't make it so and needed Hitler is never satisfactorily explained, at least to me.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I can't imagine a flogging with two brain cells could bother anyone much. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Be sure ya'll stop by the store and pick up something nice for Diana. Cause this what happened to Turtle's last wife. And Diana be sure Turtle has the wedding reception on his party barge. And I know you, Diana, will enjoy a lot of informative political discussions with Turtle's family. "Satan / Cheney in "08" Nah, what we should have done is minded our own business. Same with WWI--if we hadn't gotten involved in that bs there would have been no WWII. What difference did it make to the United States that Archduke Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated? How many people in the US knew or cared who he was or even where or what Austria was? I doubt many could have found it on a map and doubt many could today. And it is a pretty sure bet that when they started yammering about the good Archduke the people in the US scratched their heads and said, "Who?"
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Quite actually that was the response of most people in Europe. To explain, the assassination has become, by quirks of reportage, became the start of WW1. The act was just a small spark that ignited what was already really ignited anyway. Nobody cared about the Archduke anyway, certainly not Carl Franz who denied him a royal funeral, as well as a decent one. But it gave a fig leaf of cover for Austria to do what it was going to do anyway - punish the Serbian nationalists disrupting the Hapsburg's hegemony in their empire, which was falling apart.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" tried to ping you but I can't spell your name.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Steer clear of his uncle tho, he looks OK, but....well lets just say there are some issues better left undiscussed. (don't let him convince you he is an accredited mid wife) "Satan / Cheney in "08" Another suggestion, Diana, don't allow yourself to be treated like this, as was Turtle's X wife Elise. "Satan / Cheney in "08" And you know he's going to have you go deer hunting with him. "Satan / Cheney in "08" tom... Just observations... Germany did not occupy more than half of France. The only resistance in France was the FLN (communists). Dozens of German and French photos show Hitler touring Paris and not a weapon in sight. Hitler wanted to demolish the Vatican, the army said no. Hitler wanted to use gas and the military said no. Germany had troop contingents from all the Western countries. Hitler and many Germans hoped that England would stand down, withdraw from the war but world Jewry knew what that meant, the death of communism, once again Britain and the US had to be forced to fight to save communism. Hitler as the last gasp effort denuded the Eastern front and tried to eliminate the Wesrern front and failed. Just observations.
And may as well meet the neighbors......... They are big into "Family Values". "Satan / Cheney in "08" Thanks C, seems you lived through it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And everybody loves the family get togethers on the weekends. Uncle Earl is the event organizer, so be sure to smooze up to him. "Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes I know. From Dresden to this. It's Turtles fault.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Turtle's going all out on the wedding cake. "Satan / Cheney in "08" That's a Boys Anti Tank Rifle!
The articles, and other things, makes me wonder if the wrong people won that war, and what this world would be like if Hitler had won. So much history is BS that it's hard to tell fact from deliberate lies. This is the first I've learned about this part of WWII. Of course we can only guess what it would have been like if Hitler had won. It's hard to know what happened without being there, but if some of the bullshit that we're taught about what's going on now like the JFK assassination, OKC bombing, 9/11etc. are an indication then we can be sure that what we're taught about what happened then is as much if not more BS.
Actually there were probably many Jews there that died. Churchill is burning in hell right now, right with his good buddy Roosevelt.
God is always good!
Hitler would not have won the Final Battle against Uncle Joe and the Bolshevik-NKVD mass murderers. Nor would Uncle Joe have been the victor. IF Communist sympathizer, FDR, along with his Zionist advisers, had stayed on the side-lines of the war merely supplying Stalin on the QT to help him continue fighting the Naziis, then Hitler and Stalin would have fought each other to a draw and their own peoples would have over thrown both totalitarian strong men, and their despicable coterie. The world would have ended up being a much better place as a result.
I have it already. I got it to only read the chapter on war propaganda and skimmed thru the rest. I suppose I should read the rest of it, but that chapter on propaganda was an eye opener. No informed person can have any question about what the NAZI's were about. Gangsterism is really what they were - and the fact they managed to swindle the German people into supporting them is a frightening note for our times. I suppose it depends on who does the "informing". Everything I learned about history in school was shallow crap. Sheeple feed. The deeper I dig the more rotten it gets. So, who to believe? Why God couldn't make it so and needed Hitler is never satisfactorily explained, at least to me. I dont understand the question.
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It's hard to know what happened without being there, but if some of the bullshit that we're taught about what's going on now like the JFK assassination, OKC bombing, 9/11etc. are an indication then we can be sure that what we're taught about what happened then is as much if not more BS. Yeah, tell me about it... I dont see Hitler as a "good guy". From his service in WW1 he was brave. But I think he was nuts. He had a good grasp of the problems but his solutions destroyed the Germans.
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I see the Buckwheats still have not learned their lesson to treat Turtle with the appropriate respect that is His due. If any of you make fun of Turtle ever again, or his Brain, or any of his Organs, whether major or minor, Turtle will visit on you humiliations galore. Turtle can, with just a blink of his Brain, make your junk disappear, not that it would that hard, since all of you suffer from microjunk anyway, and probably haven't used it for decades, except for self-abuse to the point of idiocy! Turtle has spoken. Ya'll better listen!
It is a awful read. One interesting thing is that Hitler, smartly, would not allow the book to be translated into any other language. He knew exactly what the response would be.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I dont understand the question. Why, if God really planned for the German race to rule the world, God needed Hitler to make it so. He is roumored to be a bit more powerful than man, creating the universe in a few days etc.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Nation building myths designed to program willing cannon fodder.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" OK, I get it, There will only be 1 world "dictator", and He hasn't come back yet. It'll be the only benevolent 'dictatorship" in history.
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Or, as Archie Bunker used to say, a "groinecologist." ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. have a blinding headache. And an actual thought would bust his head. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I have rarely if ever thought of Hitler as a good guy. Some people do see it that way which makes me wonder. Mostly I guess he was just a puppet like all the rest. Was there ever a head of State that wasn't?
Thank you.
Pat Buchanan says something similar albeit with greater historical detail for support in his latest book "Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World." Some cut and paste from a reviewer on Amazon: "...The Second World War came about, Buchanan believes, as a result of Britain's disastrous guarantee to protect Poland (which it was incapable of doing anyway). Hitler did not want war with Britain, as evidenced by the fact that he never attempted to build a strong navy. If Germany had moved east and had the democracies not intervened, Buchanan opines, Germany would have run into the Soviet Union and the result would have been a Nazi-Soviet war that the democracies would have watched from the sidelines. The totalitarian nations would have pounded each other to death, while the democracies would have had a chance to rearm and become stronger relative to a decimated Germany and a decimated Russia (and China might not have gone Communist, meaning that millions might not have been murdered there)..."
If Turtle was to send out the tiniest of his Thoughts toward you, your head would blow up like an apple with a stick of dynamite in it.
If Turtle actually HAD a "tiny thought" or even a miniscule one or anything in between he would declare it a red letter day and ask someone to petition the government for a national holiday. And you know daz rat!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The only thing this particular Buckwheat bellhop got right is Turtle's anti-tank rifle.
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I've got a 2007/2008 A. Lange & Sohne watch catalog that features quite a few pre-war pictures of Dresden, it was a breathtakingly beautiful city. I'd give anything to go back in time and prevent the destruction of Dresden and the post- war looting of the remains by the communists.
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#6. To: Itistoolate, REDPANTHER, DRESDEN BUMP (#2)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#7. To: Itistoolate (#2)
In one final irony, the prosecution presented photographs of the Dresden dead as "evidence" of alleged National Socialist atrocities against Jewish concentration-camp inmates!
I will not go to Auschwitz. I have ordered the book. Da-do-run-run-run Da-do-run-run.
#8. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Itistoolate, all (#7)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#9. To: Itistoolate (#2)
My great-grandparents were killed by Soviets in East Prussia:
#10. To: Diana (#9)
#11. To: PSUSA (#5)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#12. To: Diana (#9)
#13. To: Prefrontal Vortex, All (#7)
#14. To: scrapper2 (#10)
Vladimir Nabokov wrote of him: "As a writer he doesn't exist, Ehrenburg. He is a journalist. He was always corrupt"
#15. To: Turtle (#11)
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. survived Dresden as a prisoner of war, deep in a slaughterhouse. Hence, his title, "Slaughterhouse Five."
#16. To: Diana (#15)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#17. To: Turtle (#16)
#18. To: Diana (#17)
Hey you can become King of the Ozarks! (and find a beautiful cabin in the woods for me to live
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#19. To: Turtle, tom007 (#18)
#20. To: Diana, tom007, James Deffenbach, Cynicom (#19)
Surely tom007 will come up with a photo of this cardboard cabin to be!
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#21. To: wudidiz (#8)
#22. To: PSUSA (#21)
would be like if Hitler had won
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#23. To: PSUSA (#21)
and what this world would be like if Hitler had won. So much history is BS that it's hard to tell fact from deliberate lies.
#24. To: Turtle (#20)
He has learned his lesson not to make fun of Turtle since I flogged him and the other Buckwheat bellhops with my Brain.
Lord Acton
#25. To: Diana, turtle, cynicom (#19)
#26. To: Turtle (#22)
We should have stayed out of the war, and at least supported the Germans against the Jewish Bolshevists of Russia.
Lord Acton
#27. To: tom007 (#25)
Lord Acton
#28. To: James Deffenbach (#26)
nd it is a pretty sure bet that when they started yammering about the good Archduke the people in the US scratched their heads and said, "Who?"
#29. To: James Deffenbach (#27)
#30. To: Diana (#19)
#31. To: Diana (#19)
#32. To: Diana (#15)
#33. To: tom007, James Deffenbach (#23)
Don't wonder, read "Mien Kampf"(sp)(My Struggle, Hitler's own blueprint for the future of Germany with him as their Supreme Leader.
#34. To: All (#31)
#35. To: Cynicom (#33)
#36. To: All (#34)
#37. To: All (#36)
#38. To: All (#37)
#39. To: tom007 (#32)
(Edited)
#40. To: PSUSA (#21)
That was an interesting article.
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#41. To: PSUSA (#1)
Hardly anyone knows about this. Probably because it wasn't "jews" that died.
#42. To: wudidiz, tom007, Turtle (#40)
Of course we can only guess what it would have been like if Hitler had won.
#43. To: tom007 (#23)
Don't wonder, read "Mien Kampf"(sp)(My Struggle, Hitler's own blueprint for the future of Germany with him as their Supreme Leader.
#44. To: wudidiz (#40)
Of course we can only guess what it would have been like if Hitler had won.
#45. To: tom007, Diana, James Deffenbach, Cynicom (#25)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#46. To: PSUSA (#43)
I suppose I should read the rest of it, but that chapter on propaganda was an eye opener.
#47. To: PSUSA (#43)
Why God couldn't make it so and needed Hitler is never satisfactorily explained, at least to me.
#48. To: PSUSA (#43)
Everything I learned about history in school was shallow crap. Sheeple feed.
#49. To: tom007 (#47)
#50. To: tom007 (#30)
(don't let him convince you he is an accredited mid wife)
Lord Acton
#51. To: Turtle (#45)
Turtle can, with just a blink of his Brain
Lord Acton
#52. To: PSUSA (#44)
I dont see Hitler as a "good guy". From his service in WW1 he was brave. But I think he was nuts. He had a good grasp of the problems but his solutions destroyed the Germans.
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#53. To: scrapper2 (#42)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#54. To: wudidiz (#53)
Thank you.
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
And an actual thought would bust his head. LOL!
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#56. To: Turtle, Cynicom, tom007 (#55)
If Turtle was to send out the tiniest of his Thoughts toward you
Lord Acton
#57. To: tom007, Diana (#32)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#58. To: All (#0)
#59. To: Itistoolate (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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