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Thou must seek knowledge February 15, 2009 “Behold! In the creation of the Heavens and the Earth and the alteration of night and day, these are indeed signs for men of understanding,” - Holy Qur’an 3:190 Like the above Verse, many other places Holy Qur’an challenges the Believers (both men and women) to think, ponder and search for the mysteries behind Allah’s various creations. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), though himself like majority of Arabs during his time - was an ‘unlettered person - he encouraged his Companions to seek both religious and worldly knowledge. He is reported as saying: “On the Day of Judgement the ink of the scholars and the blood of martyrs will be weighed - and the ink of the scholars will weigh more than the blood of the martyrs.” Contrary to that the earlier Abrahamic religions (Judaism and Christianity) prohibited women to seek knowledge, which became the domain of a minority of religious elites (rabbis and priests). For example: “Women are exempt from the study of the Torah,” - Talmud “Let the words of Torah rather be destroyed by fire than imparted to women” OR “Whoever teaches his daughter Torah is as though he taught her obscenity,” - Denise L. Carmody in ‘Judaism’. St. James, the founder of modern Christianity, also commanded women to follow their husbands in matter of knowledge (I Corinthians 14:34-35). As result of the divine importance of acquiring knowledge for exploring Allah’s creation for His pleasure and serving Muslim community and the humanity at large - the Believers travelled far and wide to seek knowlege since the establishment of first Islamic state in Medinnah. Beginning with the Prophet (pbuh), who sent two of his Companions to Jurash of Yemen to learn weapon manufacturing. Several western historians (Gibbon, Sir William Muir, Washington Irving, etc.) has credited Islam’s second Caliph Omar being the pioneer in the field of several modern government functions, such as, Aministration Division, Revenue Department, Department of Justice, Department of Crimes and Police, Treasury Department, Defense Department, Census, and Public Works Department. What the great majority of Muslims today are not aware of the fact that Islam do permits the Believers to seek knowledge and use it to investigate the mechanics of the world that surround them - as long as such activities do not clash with the basic teachings of Holy Qur’an and the Prophetic traditions. Early Muslims understood this reality and ushered Islamic scientific discoveries from early 8th century till 17th century - when the decline of scientific knowledge occured as a result of the breakaway from divine command (Ijtihad) and opening up doors to western principle of scientific research - for personal gains and consumerism. During the peak of Islamic civilization - its scholars are credited with 1001 inventions, most of which have been taken for granted by the western consumers, such as, airplane, surgical intruments, zero (0), universities, sugar, cosmetics, floor tiles, glassware, silk, rugs, salad, enamels, asphalt, beds, table, bed linens, mattress, cotton, sofa, coffee, talcum, sherbert, naphtha, gypsum, to name a few. Some of the famous Muslim inventors are: Ibn Firnas (d. 888 CE), who invented the first flying machine. Al-Khwarizmi (d. 846), who invented Algebra (al-jabr). Rhazes (d. 935), whose medical work Liber Almansoris was taught for centuries in European universities. Ibn Sina (Avicenna), died in 1037 CE. His Medical Encyclopedia provided foundation for western medical research. Alhazen (d. 1039) was the inventor of the camera obscura. Al-Biruni (1050), diplomat, historian, astrloger, mineralogist and Sanskrit scholar. Umar al-Khayyam (d. 1131), poet and mathematician. Ibn al-Nafis (d. 1288), discoverer of blood circulation. Piri Reis (d. 1553), Turkish Admiral, navigator and occean geographer. Dr. Abuus-Salam (d. 1996), physicist and 1979 Nobel Prize winner. He once said: “The Holy Qur’an enjoins us to reflect on the verities of Allah’s created laws of nature; however, that our generation has been privileged to glimpse a part of His design is a bounty and a grace for which I render thanks with a humble heart.” Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb. Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, father of India’s nuclear bomb. American journalist, writer, novelist and political theorist, Rose Wilder Lane, died in 1968, wrote in ‘Islam and the Discovery of Freedom’ - “A thousand years after the Saracens (Muslim Arabs) built Universities (in Baghdad, Cairo, Spain, and Tashkent), far away in time and on a continent that they never knew existed, a revolutionary leader, Thomas Jefferson - who kew little or nothing about Saracens - realized the dream of his life when he created the University of Virginia.” FOR LINKS AND MORE ------->>>>> http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/
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#1. To: Max (#0)
DONT SEEK KNOWLEDGE FROM PEDOPHILES Having sex with underage children is popular in sharia countries. Find out why? An old man with an underage bride in Afghanistan ALLAH APPROVES OF IT 65.4 “If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months”. According to this aya a muslim man can marry (and have sex with) even a one day old infant girl. ISLAMIC AUTHORITIES PROMOTE IT There is no argument on this point among Islamic authorities whether shia or sunni. They all agree that a muslim man can have sex with baby girl. This is what Imam Khomeini, the top shia authority says: “A muslim man can have sexual pleasure with a little girl as young as a baby. But he should not penetrate her vaginally, however he can sodomize her”. (Tehriro vasyleh, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990) Here is what the the top sunni authority says (video on a Saudi website) about having sex with a one day old baby girl. (Go to “site video” and click on sex with a one day old girl) PROPHET LOVED LITTLE GIRLS Prophet had special feelings for cute little baby girls. * Ibn Ishaq: Suhayli, 2.79: In the riwaya of Yunus Ibn Ishaq recorded that the apostle saw Ummu’l-Fadl hen she was baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ ( p. 311) * Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, "If she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her." (Musnad Ahmad, Number 25636) Baby Aisha sitting on the lap of Prophet BABY AISHA Our prophet fell in love with Baby Aisha when she was shown by Allah to him in his dreams when she still an infant. Bukhari , Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15: Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth(as an infant) and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.'" COURTSHIP WITH AISHA Whenever Prophet visited Abu Bakr house he made Aisha sit in his lap and played with her. PROPOSAL FOR MARRIAGE When Ayesha reached the age of 6 Prophet decided to ask for her hand. Abu Bakr: Rasulullah you must be joking. She is hardly six years old. And you are in your fiftees. Prophet: She is old enough for me. Abu Bakr: Didn’t you marry off your own daughters when they were much older.?. Prophet: That was before aya 65.4 was revealed. Now a muslim can marry even a day old infant girl. Abu: “But Rasulullah you called me your brother , how can you marry your foster niece”. Prophet:” But you are not my real brother you are only a “ brother in Islam”.”* Muslim Book 62, Number 18: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." Abu: “But Rasulullah, last week you turned down Hamza’s daughter (who was ugly and in her teens) . You said you cannot marry your foster niece**. Bukharihari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 37: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). " Prophet: “Allah had shown her to me in my dreams, that was Allah’s indication for me to marry her, I am helpless in this matter”. ABU BAKR THROWS IN A MONKEY WRENCH Abu was concerned about the welfare of her tiny tot sleeping with a horny and hefty old man who was given the libido of 30 men by Allah.. Abu: “I will let you marry her only on one condition, you will have to abstain from having sexual intercourse with the little one before she turns 9”. Prophet was disappointed but he had no choice. Prophet: “O.K. but I will not abstain from using other halal methods of pleasuring.” AISHA MADE A BEAUTIFUL BRIDE PROPHETIC PLEASURING Thighing Sahih Dawood Book 1, Number 0270: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: One night prophet entered upon me and said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs. Fondling Bukhari,Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299: 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle me, he used to order me to put on an Izar and start fondling.. Daydreaming Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660: Narrated Aisha: “Allah's Apostle used to think that he had sexual intercourse while he actually had not” The Bottom-line Bukhari, Book 002, Number 0572: Aisha said “ Whenever I found dried semen on the garments of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), I scraped it off with my nails. AISHA TURNS NINE Allah was very happy for the prophet when finally Aisha turned nine.. He sent Gibraeel to congratulate him and to witness the consummation. Prophet introduced Allah’s envoy to Aisha . Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 112: Allah's Apostle said (to me), 'O Aish ('Aisha)! This is Gabriel greeting you.' I said, 'Peace and Allah's Mercy and Blessings be on him, you see what I don't see' " She was addressing Allah 's Apostle. (only prophets can see angels) MENTION OF HOLY CONSUMMATION IN HADITHS * Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917: Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he had sexual intercourse with me . I was nine years old. * Sunan Nasai Bk of Marriage, No 3256: A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was six and had sexual intercourse with me when I was nine and I was playing with dolls. ALLAH BLESSED THEM WITH INSPIRATIONS Although Prophet slept with hundreds of slave girls captured women and concubines in addition to his large number of wedded wives, Allah only sent quranic revelations to prophet when he slept with Aisha. Aisha said “Inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket”. (Tabari Vl7, page: 7) Bukhari Vol. 5 Bk57 N 119: Prophet said, By Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman except Aisha.” Modern reality of Islamic pedophilia: A PEDOPHILE CONVERTS TO ISLAM When a pedophile found out that sex with children is halal and Sunna he converted to islam and changed his name to Mohammed. Here is the news from England. Paedophile changes name and converts to Islam in jail Daily Record.co.uk, Apr 7 2008, Exclusive by Amy Devine A pedophile has converted to Islam and changed his name behind bars. Paul Falconer, 40, now insists bosses at Peterhead prison call him Mohammed. http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm
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And make sure the women cover themselves head to toe, and if they don't, cut their heads off.
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If one is seeking "truth" and "knowledge", I cannot possibly conceive of a worse place to look than the "holy books" of the monotheistic trinity of misery known as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Believe it or not, the schizophrenic rantings of desert mystics are not a useful source of enlightenment. Someday, with luck, humanity will look back at the time those mind-raping delusions held sway over the beliefs of people the way we now look back on the time when Neanderthals lived in caves, with incredulous disbelief and a complete inability to conceive of how any supposedly "sentient" beings could live in such a primitive, wretched and deluded state.
#2. To: Max (#1)
A pedophile has converted to Islam and changed his name behind bars. Paul Falconer, 40, now insists bosses at Peterhead prison call him Mohammed.
#3. To: Old Friend (#1)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#4. To: Turtle (#3)
#5. To: Turtle (#3)
(Edited)
 | Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#6. To: Elliott Jackalope (#5)
Fools listen to lunatics like you. Wise men build their house on biblical foundations. You are a fool. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. 8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it. 12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 13 You shall not kill 14 You shall not commit adultery. 15 You shall not steal. 16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. 17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. 6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 7 you shall have no other gods before me. 8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, 10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. 11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. 12 Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 14 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. 15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day. 16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 17 You shall not kill 18 Neither shall you commit adultery. 19 Neither shall you steal. 20 Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour. 21 Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. 11 Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you. 13 You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles 14 (for you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God). 15 You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice. 16 And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods. 17 You shall not make cast idols. 18 You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt. 19 All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep. 20 The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. No one shall appear before me empty-handed. 21 For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest. 22 You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 24 For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year. 25 You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the passover shall not be left until the morning. 26 The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk. 27 The Lord said to Moses: Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.
Believe it or not, the schizophrenic rantings of desert mystics are not a useful source of enlightenment.
#7. To: Elliott Jackalope (#5)
The only thing I accept in the Bible are the sayings of Jesus, and I suspect some of them are distorted. Most of the rest of the book is a bunch of insanity.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#8. To: Old Friend, Elliott Jackalope (#6)
So if your ox falls into a water well you cannot work to retrieve him?
you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey,
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#9. To: Turtle (#7)
I like to stoning to death of female adulters the most - we always have the biggest attendance at our church for those functions.
nd I suspect some of them are distorted. Most of the rest of the book is a bunch of insanity.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#10. To: tom007 (#8)
Ah, just FYI, I have "Old Fiend" on Bozo, so I don't see what his loathsomeness posts here.
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#11. To: Turtle, Old Friend (#3)
Radical Islamo-fascist: cuts off heads. "Moderate" muslim: only holds the feet down. ;-)
And make sure the women cover themselves head to toe, and if they don't, cut their heads off.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#12. To: Turtle (#7)
Jesus talked about Noah. If there was no Adam and Eve what was the purpose of Jesus?
The only thing I accept in the Bible are the sayings of Jesus, and I suspect some of them are distorted. Most of the rest of the book is a bunch of insanity.
#13. To: tom007 (#8)
I don't think it says that.
So if your ox falls into a water well you cannot work to retrieve him?
#14. To: Old Friend (#13)
Luke 16 or therabouts.
So if your ox falls into a water well you cannot work to retrieve him?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#15. To: Old Friend (#1) (Edited)
you must be describing the talmud: In 2006 - Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg reported an eyewitness account of child molestation in gay bathhouses in Jewish occupied Jerusalem. Filled with horror and grief at the sight - he reported this to the religious authorities in Jerusalem – but they refused to act, saying the bathhouse pedophiles give them money to subsidize mikvahs! This report was circulated on several popular Jewish blogs: http://chaptzem.blogspot.com/2005/08/mikva...erg-blasts.html In the 1980s, Orthodox Rabbi Ephraim Byrks was accused of sexually molesting women, boys, and girls in Canada. He was sheltered and defended by his Orthodox community in Winnipeg, and in 1990 he accepted a position as principal of a Jewish day school in Montreal and from there went to New York and started another Torah school. In 2001, the New York Post published an article by Douglas Montero exposing Byrks as a child molester (“Queens Yeshiva Boss is a Molester: Boy’s Mom,” March 31, 2001). Yet “Once again,” says the Jewish Coalition Against Sexual Abuse/Assault (JCASA), “there wasn’t a tremendous reaction within the Rabbinical or Jewish community.” Some Jewish scholars like Byrks believe that Babylonian Talmud sanction sex with boys under the age of 9 or girls a day older than 3. Jews and Pedophiles Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40 "....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...." "....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." "Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....." "A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old." Sex with Children by Talmud Rules Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex Talmud law permits sexual intercourse between children and adults. This doctrine is contained in a number of Mishnahs. Before we examine them, however, it is necessary that the reader be familiar with the word kethubah. According to the Soncino Talmud Glossary: KETHUBAH (Lit., 'a written [document]'); (a) a wife's marriage settlement which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced or on the death of her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin is two hundred zuz, and for a widow remarrying one hundred zuz; (b) the marriage contract specifying the mutual obligations between husband and wife and containing the amount of the endowment and any other special financial obligations assumed by the husband. — Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Talmud Glossary Zuz is a unit of currency. We see, then, that a dollar (or zuz) value is put on virginity. Now let's look at a Mishnah from Kethuboth 11a: MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR [WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD (11) — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ] … — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57 The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with footnotes: 7.A man who was of age. 8.Lit., 'who came on'. 9.Less than three years old. 10.Less than nine years of age. 11.Lit., 'One who was injured by wood', as a result of which she injured the hymen. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches Let's review the above-cited Mishnah: "When a grown-up man has had sexual intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman …" It is obvious that sex activity between a grown man and a little girl, and between a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the woof and the warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes of the Sages, are unremarkable. There is no prohibition on sexual activity between adults and young children — it is simply regulated. Recall the words of the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire the late Dr. Joseph Herman Hertz: Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of human life with the sense of law and right. Nothing human is in its eyes mean or trivial; everything is regulated and sanctified by religion. Religious precept and duty accompany man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it. They guide his desires and actions at every moment. — Rabbi Dr. Hertz (38) Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger to be sexually used by adults, that is the law. The concern of the Sages is to ensure that the adult is not, technically speaking, in violation of any of the rules. Regenerating Virginity In the Gemara that follows the Mishnah of Kethuboth 11a (cited above), the Sages discuss the issues. They say having intercourse with a girl younger than three is like putting a finger in the eye. Rabbi Dr. Daiches explains in the footnotes that, just as tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. GEMARA. Rab Judah said that Rab said: A small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood. (1) When I said it before Samuel he said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to (2) flesh. Some teach this teaching by itself: (3) [As to] a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman, Rab said, he makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood; whereas Samuel said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to flesh. R. Oshaia objected: WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS HAD INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE GIRL, OR WHEN A SMALL BOY HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]; SO ACCORDING TO R. MEIR. BUT THE SAGES SAY: A GIRL WHO WAS INJURED ACCIDENTALLY BY A PIECE OF WOOD — HER KETHUBAH IS A MANEH! (4) Raba said, It means (5) this: When a grown- up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, (6) it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; (7) but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood,' and [with regard to the case of] 'a girl injured by a piece of wood,' itself, there is the difference of opinion between R. Meir and the Sages. — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11b Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57-58 Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches amplifies the text with footnotes (page 58): 1.Although the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act, nevertheless the woman is injured by it as by a piece of wood. 2.Lit., 'is not in'. 3.I.e., the difference of opinion between Rab and Samuel with regard to that question was recorded without any reference to R. Judah. 4.The Sages differ only with regard to a girl injured by a piece of wood, but not with regard to a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman. This shows that the latter case cannot be compared with the former case. The Mishnah would consequently be against Rab and for Samuel. 5.Lit., 'says'. 6.Lit., 'here', that is, less than three years old. 7.I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. Cf. Nid. 45a. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches To a person unaccustomed with the Talmud culture, it may seem that discussion of sexual intercourse between grown men and very young girls is merely theoretical. But as we shall see, cases are cited, judgments are weighed and debated, and the Sages discuss the wounds suffered by the young girls as a result of the intercourse. More on Regenerating Virginity We know that the amount of a woman's kethubah depends on her virginity on her wedding day. But what of a woman who, as a little girl below the age of three years, was raped or otherwise subjected to sexual intercourse? The Sages rule that the kethubah of such a woman is set as if she were still a virgin. MISHNAH. A WOMAN PROSELYTE, A WOMAN CAPTIVE, AND A WOMAN SLAVE, WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED, CONVERTED, OR FREED [WHEN THEY WERE] LESS THAN THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY OLD — THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]. AND THERE IS WITH REGARD TO THEM THE CLAIM OF [NON-]VIRGINITY. (17) — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 54 This seems like a generous and humanitarian ruling, the creation of a legal fiction of virginity when the woman is no longer physiologically a virgin. But Dr. Daiches corrects us. He tells us that, according to the Sages, the hymen of a girl younger than three literally grows back again. 17.If they had sexual intercourse before they were three years and one day old the hymen would grow again, and they would be virgins. V. 9a and 11b and cf. Nid. 44b and 45a. — Rabbi Dr. Daiches (25) See also the discussion of Niddah 44b and 45a, below. As we continue to explore the Talmud doctrines on child-adult sex, we will see further confirmation that the Talmud Sages believed that the hymen regenerates in a girl younger than three. "… Of Lesser Age, No Guilt is Incurred" In modern America, sex between an adult and a child is condemned in proportion to the youth of the child. That is, Americans generally consider sex with a fifteen year old, a twelve year old, a six year old, and a three-year-old on a continuous scale of condemnation. The younger the child, the greater the condemnation. Talmudic law works on the reverse scale: sex with younger children is less significant than sex with older children. How did this doctrine come about? read more: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html get free education: Convicted Criminal Rabbis http://www.jews-for-allah.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=8 Let's put Jews on a polygraph and then ask them their loyalty toward the country they live in. The last survey taken among the EU citizen - the result were - more than 70% thought Jews are more loyal to Israel than the country they live in.:anger: Your Next Lie, Mama???
#16. To: Max (#15)
The talmud isn't the Bible. The muslims have verses that condone and encourage sex with babies. It is a sicko religion. Only a sicko would worship a pedophile. That is what Islam is. The religion of pedophiles. As mentioned earlier. Pedophiles are even changing their name to Mohamed. Quite fitting really. If Mohamad was alive in America in modern times. He would be on the sex offender list and we would be getting little post cards in the mail with his picture and where he lives at.
the talmud:
#17. To: Old Friend (#16)
Every time a HASBRA liar is caught with her skirt down - she starts whining.
#18. To: Max (#17)
What does that mean? What is Hasbra? Is that when the muslims kill their kids because they didn't cover their head or something? Or is it when the muslims behead their wives? The muslims will all BURN IN HELL!!! There will be former muslims in heaven though.
Every time a HASBRA liar is caught with her skirt down - she starts whining.
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