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Title: Why I Hate To Hear the Star Spangled Banner and Refuse To Say the Pledge
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/gaddy-c1.html
Published: Feb 17, 2009
Author: Christopher Gaddy
Post Date: 2009-02-17 12:39:36 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 281
Comments: 29

I remember a time when I would threaten a person for not respecting our flag and loving our country. "Love it or leave it," I used to say; "these colors don’t run" was another one. I loved my country and thought it loved me back. I was gung-ho all the way. I thought there was no greater occupation than to fight and defend one’s country. Hell, my dad did it, and his before him. I would often boast how there had been a Gaddy in every war since the American Revolution. I hoped to have the opportunity to defend my country in a war, like my dad, my uncle, and both my grandfathers

I attended and graduated from Virginia Military Institute, still believed in defending America, and was commissioned into the U.S. Army. I wanted to be the best soldier and patriot I could be. 9-11 happened and I was fired up, ready to go seek revenge for what had been done to my country and its people. I ridiculed the plastic patriots that were suddenly waving the flag and yelling, "America is #1," because I had been doing it for years.

I believed my government and its multitude of lies when it ordered me and others, to protect freedom, and spread it to the oppressed people in the Middle East. The army was the army; it had its faults, but I was going to fight America’s enemy and I was ready, even excited. So, in October of 2004, I was deployed to Iraq; Northern Iraq to be exact, a nice little vacation spot named, Tal Afar. I didn’t find the enemy of America there; I found regular people who were just trying to be free and out from under the new oppression that we placed on them as a conquering army. I didn’t find crowds of cheering people thanking me for their freedom; I found hell; a place where death and destruction awaited the freedom-creating US Army around every corner.

Being a student of history, the longer I was there, the more I began to feel very Roman, killing and conquering all in the name of Caesar Bush and the empire called America. I watched as my commander committed war crime after war crime, shooting civilians and calling it victory in battle. He would place whole neighborhoods and villages in my detention facility for months; flex cuffed, thrown into old dirty bunkers, constantly interrogated, denied medications, and kept from their families. His reason for this action that created more enemies than it eliminated: he wanted to, and was sure his actions would be called heroic and would earn him accolades and promotions. Most soldiers on his staff were too worried about their careers to call him on his criminal actions; those who did were relieved of command and called cowards or "gone over to the other side."

I watched as he was promoted and his commanders praised him, completely ignoring his war crimes. I too, did things that I am not proud of, things I must live with every day. I began to find it impossible to justify what I was participating in, I refused the awards and decorations that were offered, for that is not what I saw the heroes of my youth do for their country. That’s not what my country told me I would be doing, that’s not how defenders of freedom and democracy are supposed to conduct themselves, at least not the ones they told us about in school. I was supposed to bring freedom and democracy to the oppressed and defend my country from her enemies, not put innocent people under the boot. I found myself, and my country, being the oppressor of freedom, not the liberator as we claimed.

I believed the honest people of America would hate me and call for my arrest if they knew what was going on, but, I came home and they thanked me and bought me a beer. They said, "good job," "We hope you killed a lot of those SOBs for what they did." What they did was nothing; I was more a terrorist than any Iraqi I meet on the street or in battle. The only difference was I had a state sponsor.

I came home, my body and mind damaged, not as bad as some, but damaged just the same. I looked for help, but there was none. When I told my superiors, including my Chaplain, how I felt about the war, they tried to get me out as quickly as possible so I would not become a "bullet" on the general morning SITREP, and a statistic that would hurt the war effort.

I have gone to the VA repeatedly, but have not gotten any help. They gave me drugs, told me nothing was wrong with me. They told me to just stop bitching and that I should be grateful I get free healthcare. Officially, The VA told me there was nothing wrong with me that I was not in combat, because I didn’t have the 10-cent badge I had refused. A badge I refused because the army, in attempts to make people feel better about the crimes they had committed, handed them out like candy. I have been continually told nothing is wrong with me, despite the fact their own physicians were treating me for PTSD and had diagnosed me as having classic symptoms. Granted, the VA’s kind of treatment is to drug you out of your mind and put you on such an emotional roller coaster that you're better off without that kind of treatment. Hell, I am a walking drugstore thanks to the VA; I’ve got uppers, downers and all-a-rounder’s.

I am lucky I have the job I struggle to maintain everyday because of the insurance. I struggle to feel normal again, trying to fix the damage to my body and mind that was broken in a country I should have never been in. Recently, I have discovered what my dad warned me about many years ago was true: my country does not care about me; I am just a warm body that once used, they can throw away and forget.

All those pseudo-patriotic Christian warmongers want to give me for my emotional nightmares and guilt is a beer and a thank you. So wave your damn flag and feel good about yourself when you say thank you to a vet. Go ahead, buy him a beer and congratulate him on his personal body count. I say this: don’t thank us for what we did, because if you knew what we really did in your name, you would not thank us and buy us a beer.

Help us, because the country you so blindly support will not, and for God’s sake do not support sending more of our youth into that hell. Their blood, and the blood of the innocent they kill is on your hands!

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#1. To: war (#0)

That's telling it like it is. In 50 years, the USA and the people have transformed from being respected world wide to being despised and for good reasons.

DWornock  posted on  2009-02-17   13:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: DWornock (#1)

I like the Star Spangled Banner and the Pledge.

You pledge allegiance to the Republic. Not what it has become. Same with the star spangled banner.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Old Friend (#2)

You pledge allegiance to the Republic

First line: I PLEDGE ALLEGIENCE TO THE FLAG

war  posted on  2009-02-17   13:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Old Friend (#2)

Republic?? What the...?? We live in a DEMOCRACY, didn't you get that memo from JFK and his political offspring right on down the decades to Obummer??

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-02-17   13:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#3)

Why did you leave off the rest?

of the United States of America. TO THE REPUBLIC for which it stands.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: X-15 (#4)

Republic?? What the...?? We live in a DEMOCRACY, didn't you get that memo from JFK and his political offspring right on down the decades to Obummer??

The usurpers are illegitimate. The constitution is the legitimate law of this land. Anything contrary is illegitimate.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#5)

I don't believe in God so I don't believe that we are a nation under one.

war  posted on  2009-02-17   13:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

Who cares what you believe.

If you think you come from monkeys. Why dont you ask one out on a date. Hell fuck it if you want.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#0)

Their blood, and the blood of the innocent they kill is on your hands!

The STATE, in all its forms can "SUCK MY BALLS" !!

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   13:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: DWornock (#1)

In 50 years, the USA and the people have transformed from being respected world wide to being despised and for good reasons.

13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations: 14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord GOD. 15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord GOD.....31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. 32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel........

http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/36.htm

[Christ is King of Israel [America].... www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93210 ]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-17   13:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lysander_Spooner (#9)

The STATE, in all its forms can "SUCK MY BALLS" !!

eeeewwwww!

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Old Friend (#11)

U want sum n Ewe no it !!

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   13:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lysander_Spooner (#12)

Nah. Start with Obama.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   13:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Old Friend (#13)

Not after that, I'm not into that.......

But enjoy da big "O" !!!! Knock ur self up !

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   14:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lysander_Spooner (#14)

Your the one that said everyone in the government can suck you off.

I think it sounds kinda gross.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   14:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Old Friend (#2) (Edited)

I like the Star Spangled Banner and the Pledge.

You continually demonstrate ignorance and simple mindedness. It's still early in the year but I'm already to nominate you for the annual BOZO Doozy Award and I think you're a shoe in !

You pledge allegiance to the Republic. Not what it has become. Same with the star spangled banner.

You do, I don't.

If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.

Henry David Thoreau - 1849

noone222  posted on  2009-02-17   14:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Old Friend (#2)

you pledge allegiance to the Republic. Not what it has become. Same with the star spangled banner.

1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. 2 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. 3 Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. 4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, 5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: 6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. 7 Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.......12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.......17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.....

http://kingjbible.com/daniel/3.htm

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/5.htm

King James Bible

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

bible.cc/matthew/6-24.htm

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

kingjbible.com/luke/17.htm :

Battle of the Eagles.... Ezekiel 17:1-10

nasb.scripturetext.com/ezekiel/17.htm [Jesus is the TRUE vine, and His Father is the husbandman [first Eagle] : John 15:1/Anything not planted by my Father will be rooted up. Matthew 15:13]

Second Eagle:

www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-17   14:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Old Friend (#15)

Wrong , I said The STATE.

Additionally, my choice of phraseology, ie. "SUCK MY BALLS", is not literally meant, and is common in 21st century American Culture to mean: "F*ck Off, Screw You, and similar conotations.

Sorry, I had to 'Splain this all to you, but you must be a complete and utter dumb ass, a fact easily discernable from your posts.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   14:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#16)

Well to me the constitution is still alive if we are willing to fight for it and bring it back. It is my view that it is still the legitimate law of this land and that the usurpers color of law is invalid. I pledge allegience to the true Republic. The constitutional Republic that needs to be restored. Not to the President or to what this nation has become.

Hopefully that clears it up for you and you understand. If not oh well.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   14:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lysander_Spooner (#18)

Wrong , I said The STATE.

Additionally, my choice of phraseology, ie. "SUCK MY BALLS", is not literally meant, and is common in 21st century American Culture to mean: "F*ck Off, Screw You, and similar conotations.

Sorry, I had to 'Splain this all to you, but you must be a complete and utter dumb ass, a fact easily discernable from your posts.

You don't get sarcasm do you? Now tell me who is dumb. lol

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   14:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Old Friend (#20)

UR not even a little bit funny even with ur so-called 'sarcasm'.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   14:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lysander_Spooner (#21)

You don't sound a bit clever wanting to suck off the government.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   14:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Old Friend (#6)

The usurpers are illegitimate.

got that part right.

The constitution is the legitimate law of this land. Anything contrary is illegitimate.

so we were brainwashed into believing.....however, the GOSPEL was meant to be the Supreme Law of this land.

See the First Charter of Virginia 1606, and the penalties [Section XVII] for those who got in the way of that: www.theforbiddenknowledge...irst_charter_virginia.htm

4um: JEWISH ROOTS OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION The laws of Massachusetts were based on the same foundation. 8. The fifteen Capital Laws of New England included the “Seven Noahide Laws” of the Torah, ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=91260

The Declaration of Independence got its approval from the Jewish Banksters in Amsterdam: http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm / http://www.reformation.org/bank-of-england.html ]

King James Bible

1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from JerUSAlem..

Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Mic&c=4&v=2&t=KJV#top

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...k.cfm?b=Isa&c=9&v=6&t=KJV

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-17   14:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#23)

so we were brainwashed into believing.....however, the GOSPEL was meant to be the Supreme Law of this land.

You are correct. Gods law is supreme. But the earthly government of the United States should live up to its laws set up in its founding document the constitution.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   17:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Old Friend (#24)

I think you are missing the point. The earthly government of the "United States" is a private, Jewish, ANTICHRIST, Corporation, and we the people, were never a party to it, and have no rights under it, and more importantly, HAVE NO RESPONSIBLILITY FOR ITS DEBTS [The truth will make you free]:

"The Ultimate Delusion By: Stephen Ames

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows: S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997........

...King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of Peace (1783) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large 80.. Great Britain which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA ..'

What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers and King George were working hand-in-hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Republica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. and 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15).......

.....the Talmud is the law of the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land, which is now known as the Uniform Commercial Code which is private international law. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish shetar is a lien on all of the property in the world. The treatise also explains that the Jews are owned by Great Britain and that the Jews are in charge of the Baking system.

We are living under the Babylonian Talmud. It was brought into England in 1066 and has been enforced by the Pope, Kings and the various religions ever since. It is total and relentless mind control, people are taught to believe in things that do not exist. Private International Law, which is commercial law, only deals with fictions, known as persons. A person is a fictional entity at law, not a living being. See UCC 1-201.

Now before you scream that the UCC is unconstitutional I'm sorry people, you are not a party to any constitution. Read the case cite below.

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520 You have to understand that Great Britain, (Article six Section one) the United States and the States are the parties to the Constitution not you........."

The United States is not a land mass, it is a corporation......"

www.theforbiddenknowledge...uth/ultimate_delusion.htm

See also: The United States Isn't a Country — It's a Corporation!

www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

Further:

"The Informer The question is WHY?

Why are we, still under the war powers of Lincoln? Why is it that they carry out seizure and forfeitures in America without due process of law? Why is it that you have no rights when it comes to IRS confiscation and seizure of property? Why can the IRS seize your property without them ever having to go to court to get a decree to seize bank accounts or levy wages? Why is it that if you attack the IRS in court you never win and they file a Rule 12 (b) (6) on you and the judge dismisses your case? Why is it that in all tax cases they never allow that the defendant to bring in the law; never allowed expert witnesses; and all other facts are 99 percent denied by the judge? Why is it that they deny all motions dealing with jurisdiction, out of hand by the judge? Why is the judge always predisposed in favor of the United States? ......"

"....To get to the bottom of all your woes today, one must go back in time to see how they accomplished this. This is why I have stated that IF the people, the common everyday people, had really drafted AND ratified their own creation of a contract, do you think they would, or rather put you in their position, drafted such a damaging piece of paper called the "Constitution?" I know I would not have. Especially the emergency powers part where once the President took control, constitutionally mind you, that it would be the engine for total control. Such has been the case since 1791. Patrick Henry and the other anti-federalists saw what was happening and the common average man on the street, just like today, said it could not happen and allowed this to happen out of shear ignorance. Today we have most of the people who have no clue what really took place. They cannot fathom why they rape them repeatedly again and cannot claim their unalienable rights. They cannot understand why the so-called Bill of Rights can no longer be used. They cannot understand why the Constitution that they thought was theirs, is not, and cannot be used in the prize courts of admiralty. Simply stated, "enemies have no rights."

What is fascinating is this passage from Solicitor of Lincoln's War Department, William Whiting's book on War Powers, where he wrote;

"The belligerent right of the government to confiscate enemy's real estates, situated in this country, can hardly admit of question. The title is to no inconsiderable part of real estate in each of the original States of the Union, rests upon the validity of confiscation acts, passed by our ancestors against loyal adherents to the crown. Probably none of these States failed to pass and apply these laws. English and American acts of confiscation were recognized by the laws of both countries, and their operation modified by treaties; their validity was never denied. The only authority which either of the States or colonies ever had for passing such laws was derived from the fact that they were belligerents."

Right here it is evident that the States, created the same way the United States was, by the aristocrats, would consider themselves belligerents against the common man on the street who had no say in the drafting and ratifying of any of the constitutions of any of the States. The common man had no money to speak of nor any large amount of real property to be able to become a member of the contract called the State. In all the States you had to have at least 500 pounds sterling or a land mass equivalent to that amount before becoming an elector or even thinking of running for office. This is but another small proof that you and me, the common man of that era, was considered as nothing. Just like we look at street bums of today, they looked at the common man. No dear people, we were never considered part of their posterity and never drafted nor ratified any constitution. The statement the constitution was "divinely inspired" is so far from the truth that it should be stated that it was the "works of the devil." ....

http://www.atgpress.com/inform/wep033.htm

For good measure:

YOU ARE ALL SLAVES The Bush/Cheney Police State Is Upon Us. Related Articles On Gnostic Liberation Front:. Taking Back Your Power ... http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/you_are_all_slaves.htm

4um: The federal reserve caused the 700 billion dollar bailout and ... YOU ARE ALL SLAVES http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/you_are_all_slaves.htm / *** THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY EXTORTING TAXES FOR "THE CROWN" ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89203

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God said He would take His people Israel [the Church, including the OT faithful....there WILL be a resurrection and the OT saints will come here as well ] into their own land where the children of wickedness would not afflict them AS BEFOREHAND. We have been their slaves for our 400 years [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16..29]. It's time for it to end.

American Standard Version

For freedom did Christ set us free: stand fast therefore, and be not entangled again in a yoke of bondage.

bible.cc/galatians/5-1.htm

American Standard Version

If therefore the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

bible.cc/john/8-36.htm

Think about it. If Christians in America understood that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel [ www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93210 ], and that THEY [and ALL Christians] are the Israel of God [ www.geocities.com/Athens/..._Church_Is_Israel_Now.htm ], and that God has given them America as their promised land [ www.originofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm ], and that the Constitution was a fraud designed to infringe on their God-given rights and freedoms, maybe they wouldn't let themselves be on the hook for any more dastardly Jewish wars for "Israel", and they wouldn't let themselves be on the hook for any more of CorpUSA's debts.

WHO WOULD JESUS TAX?

24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/17.htm

"....When tax collectors came for the money, Jesus asked Simon...

From whom do kings on the earth collect?"What do you think, Simon? From whom do kings on the earth collect tolls or tributes? From their own subjects, or from foreigners?" When he said, "From foreigners," Jesus said to him, "In that case, the subjects are exempt. However, so that we don't offend them..." - Matthew 17:25-27 (ISV)

Tax fact Fact:

1. What is exempt?
Jesus taught his disciple Simon "the subjects are exempt" from tolls and tributes [taxes].

2. What are subjects?
Subjects are citizens, like Simon and Jesus.

3. What is taxed?
Jesus taught, "kings on the earth" should only tax "foreigners."......"

http://whatistaxed.com/who_would_jesus_tax.htm

See also Galatians 4:21-31.

http://kingjbible.com/galatians/4.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-17   18:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#25)

I think you are missing the point. The earthly government of the "United States" is a private, Jewish, ANTICHRIST, Corporation, and we the people, were never a party to it, and have no rights under it, and more importantly, HAVE NO RESPONSIBLILITY FOR ITS DEBTS [The truth will make you free]:

If they followed the constitution instead of what they are doing right now. We would be better off. The constitution isn't perfect. But it is pretty good by mans standards. I don't think today's people could come up with a superior system.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-17   18:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Old Friend (#26)

If they followed the constitution instead of what they are doing right now.

I seriously doubt it's going to happen.

9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. kingjbible.com/ezekiel/17.htm

I don't think today's people could come up with a superior system.

Vine & Fig Tree: A World Without "The State" The Prophet Micah described the Vine & Fig Tree world as resting on "the Mountain of the House of the Lord ... 95 Theses Against the State Table of Contents ... vftonline.org/VFTfiles/Directory/5a_state.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-17   19:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Old Friend (#19)

It's so nice of Chrissy to let the handicapped and challenged (like yourself) have the freedom to roam the forum even though occasional outbursts of pure stupidity echo through its corridors.

If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.

Henry David Thoreau - 1849

noone222  posted on  2009-02-18   5:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28)

It is funny when someone far less intelligent them me says i'm dumb.

<;)

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-18   8:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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