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Title: 10,000+ TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN
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URL Source: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/17/1799010.aspx
Published: Feb 17, 2009
Author: Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
Post Date: 2009-02-17 16:04:55 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1837
Comments: 66

Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:50 PM

by Domenico Montanaro

Filed Under: White House, Security

From NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube

The White House is expected to announce the deployment of more than 10,000 additional U.S. forces to Afghanistan "within the hour," according to Pentagon officials. The Pentagon will follow with details on numbers and identification of troops to be deployed.

The troop deployment to Afghanistan will be announced as a "remissioning," meaning many, if not most, of the forces were already scheduled to deploy to Iraq but will now be diverted to Afghanistan.

That will reportedly include two Marine combat battalions and one Army combat brigade. According to one Pentagon official, because this "remissioning" will, in fact, redirect troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, it will be politically characterized as a "drawdown" of U.S. military forces in Iraq, permitting the White House to claim in this one announcement that President Obama is making good on two campaign promises -- withdrawing forces from Iraq and sending additional forces to Afghanistan.

If he hasn't already, Defense Secretary Gates is expected to sign the deployment order today to send the more than 10,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers to Afghanistan in the spring.

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#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Barry Soweto the PEACE candidate. LMAO. SUCKERS.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   16:15:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lysander_Spooner (#6)

The hint of urgency prompts one to suspect that Pakistan may blow apart.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-02-17   16:16:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

The client States of the Empire are spinning out of control.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-02-17   16:21:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Lysander_Spooner (#10)

What in Gods name are we doing meddling with a stick at the underbelly of the Chinese dragon, stirring up millions of people that hate us?

Cynicom  posted on  2009-02-17   16:25:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#12)

What in Gods name are we doing meddling with a stick at the underbelly of the Chinese dragon, stirring up millions of people that hate us?

Read James Michener's novel about Afghanistan, "Caravans." The terrain and weather there is so bad the only thing the Chinese have to do to us is point and laugh.

Turtle  posted on  2009-02-17   20:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Turtle (#25)

It's unwinnable on many levels, but what of the candiate of PEACE? The hypocrisy of Obama is off the chart. He hasn't removed ONE man from Iraq, and instead chooses to Surge Afghanistan with 15 thousand AMERICAN troops. What are our kids going to do that the Russians kids didn't try there in '87? How much is this mess going to cost? How will it be paid for? What is the EXIT STRATEGY, and most importantly WHY ARE WE THERE?

And from the O'PILES we get {{{crickets}}}

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-17   20:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

but what of the candiate of PEACE?

I trips over to KOS once inna while where salvation is always just over the next rise.

It's looking pretty gloomy with respect to this Afghanistan thing today. It didn't wash well.

200+ posts with precious few defenders amongst the crowd.

This soufflé smells so bad even the dyed-in-the-wool are turning up their noses.

I particularly liked "I am sick of the oligarths."

www.dailykos.c om/comments/2009/2/17/192623/962/1#c1

Pres.Obama will look more like LBJ than Lincoln(n (17+ / 0-) Recommended by:paradox, msl, mattman, daisycolorado, Paul Goodman, dancewater, Alkibiades, terryhallinan, 0wn, rubine, Support Civil Liberty, danoland, Lavocat, divineorder, TNThorpe, atheistben, Patrick from Toronto

by NYCartist on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:33:21 PM PST

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Afraid so. (12+ / 0-) Recommended by:GreenSooner, mattman, Paul Goodman, dancewater, 0wn, david mizner, rubine, Support Civil Liberty, haruki, Lavocat, divineorder, TNThorpe Terrible blunder but long signalled.

Best, Terry

by terryhallinan on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:35:10 PM PST

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Yup. A dumb idea we saw from far away. (12+ / 0-) Recommended by:paradox, GreenSooner, mattman, Paul Goodman, dancewater, 0wn, david mizner, wyvern, rubine, Support Civil Liberty, Lavocat, divineorder Doesn't become less dumb up close.

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by haruki on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:37:38 PM PST

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I think Obama was left with a lose/lose decision (4+ / 0-) Recommended by:mattman, koNko, pvlb, ShowMeMoBlue by a ass backwards Bush Foreign Policy that has neglected Afghanistan since 2003.

nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it. - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:52:43 PM PST

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Yeah, he has said so many times along (0+ / 0-) the way.

Julie's Art Gallery.

by Zoltan on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:37:46 PM PST

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Indeed. (7+ / 0-) Recommended by:paradox, mattman, rubine, haruki, josephcast, TNThorpe, sturunner Given the bipartisan consensus in favor of militarism, we will only adopt a peaceful foreign policy if a mass movement demands it. I wish I saw one on the horizon. But I don't, especially when the Democrats have effectively coopted the masssive peace movement that began in the wake of the Iraq War.

Nobody knows what kind of trouble we're in / Nobody seems to think it all might happen again

by GreenSooner on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:49:55 PM PST

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Money? (1+ / 0-) Recommended by:Support Civil Liberty Given the bipartisan consensus in favor of militarism, we will only adopt a peaceful foreign policy if a mass movement demands it.

How can we afford this now?

by Jagger on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 05:11:40 PM PST

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The demos and Obama... n/t (0+ / 0-)

A million + dead in Iraq by our hand.

by rubine on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 05:18:23 PM PST

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I meant to say: (0+ / 0-) One of the things that pisses me off about Obama is that he has effectively co- opted the progressives. He is so nice and charming that he "looks" progressive. Then...

I am sick of the oligarths. Good interview:

Thanks Bill Moyer!

A million + dead in Iraq by our hand.

by rubine on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 05:32:08 PM PST

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randge  posted on  2009-02-17   21:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: randge (#27)

200+ posts with precious few defenders amongst the crowd.

Bravo for honesty, at least there anyway. It is impossible to have been against Iraq and for this looming mess. This in many ways will be far worse than Iraq.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-17   21:23:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#28) (Edited)

This in many ways will be far worse than Iraq.

You could be right. In Iraq there was a long standing civilization, a society, a learned people, infrastructure, a legal system albeit highjacked by Saddam and the Baath Party. Iraq was a cohesive nation before we arrived and tuirned it upside down. Gradually Iraq will right itself once we leave. Iraq has a history.

In Afghanistan there is no there there. Afghanistan is compromised of a number of squabbling Muslim tribes of very very primitive people who take pride in being primitive and unruled and unconquered and untouched by anything more modern than 14th century civilization. The Afghans unite against a common enemy. If you're not an Afghan, you are the enemy. Seriously, this is no tall tale - Afghans like kicking around human skulls for sport - kind of an Afghanistan version of soccer. It's mountainous and cold and unwelcoming to foreign invaders. That's why Afghans like living in Afghanistan.

Canada with the largest contingent of NATO forces in Afghanistan is bailing in 2011. No more extensions on the exit date. The Afghanistan adventure is exceedingly unpopular with our best ally - the ally that walks the talk unlike the financial parasite who shall remain unmentioned. What other ally is going to send troops to that hell hole once the Canadians leave? You think the Frenchies or the Krauts are going to send troops to aid The Professor? Doubters. They are not soooooo stoooopid as Obama is.

Americans are so screwed if Obama takes on Afghanistan.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-02-17   22:34:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: scrapper2 (#50)

Afghans like kicking around human skulls for sport

That was an insanely good post, scrapper. You've boiled the problem down to the essence.

Shootin' half-inch groups tonite, what?

randge  posted on  2009-02-17   22:48:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#63. To: randge (#54)

That was an insanely good post, scrapper. You've boiled the problem down to the essence.

Shootin' half-inch groups tonite, what?

Thanks for the compliment.

But I must tell you that words are my weapons and hockey is my game. Still okay with me?

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