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Title: Despite High Unemployment, Obama Puts Amnesty on the Agenda
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URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pa ... urity=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1721#1
Published: Feb 23, 2009
Author: FAIR
Post Date: 2009-02-25 12:26:01 by X-15
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Views: 2093
Comments: 180
This week, as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work. (El Piolin Interview, February 18, 2009 and CBS4—South Florida). During the radio interview, President Obama said: “We’re going to start by really trying to work on how to improve the current [immigration] system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens . . . are able to do it; that it’s cheaper, that it’s faster, that they have an easier time in terms of sponsoring family members.” Following that, President Obama acknowledged what legal American workers already know intuitively—that amnesty is not in their best interest—but then endorsed amnesty anyway. President Obama said: “And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform. . . . Politically it’s going to be tough. It’s probably tougher now than it was, partly because of the fact that the economy has gotten worse.” (El Piolin). According to the U.S. Department of Labor, over 11.6 million Americans are currently unemployed and the number of unemployed Americans has increased by 4.1 million over the past year. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2009). Millions more have simply stopped looking for work. Just last month, 598,000 Americans lost their jobs. Particularly troubling among the unemployment data is the fact that certain minorities such as African-Americans are experiencing greater unemployment (12.6 percent) than the nation as a whole. President Obama also said his staff was working on amnesty already, stating: “we’ve got some wonderful people on my White House staff who are working on this issue on an ongoing basis.” Earlier this week, open-borders advocates suggested that they expect that Congress will debate amnesty legislation in the fall of 2009. (NDN, February 20, 2009). Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s director of Hispanic media has confirmed the likely timing for debate as well. (O Jornal, January 30, 2009).
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#94. To: christine (#91)
The strong intent and goal of this foolish man or woman in the Rotara account is to shut up people like myself, or to use them as a straw man as best they can to further their fascist agenda. I have bent over backwards trying to dialog and engage in lively discussion and even debate, and I get slandered, threatened and bullied with no quarter given. I am insinuated to be homosexual because I do not discriminate against them, and hated because I am not racist, I have been continually been belittled and threatened, and any attempt I make to engage in free speech is met by tactics to prevent anything of the sort from happening. I did not start this, Rotara did. I am not talking bloodshed and supporting a rebirth of the sort of terrorism William Quantrill created and carried out, he is. I can only say he still has his work cut out for him, because if I was indeed intimidatable, I never would of become a well known local activist, or used my real name online in these forums. As I just said, anyone can die and everyone eventually will, but the ideas he hates are bullet proof. Ande deep inside he knows this, which no doubt helps fuel his meglomania and inner rage.
_________________________________________________________________________ Mike, your beef is with Rotara. it's not the forum. it's your choice whether or not you want to continue to engage him. there are many others here whose style and personality you may prefer with whom you can dialogue.
Gee...really? Your world has a different historical timeline than mine?
man this is a perfect example of the exagerated bullshit claims you make. I am married to a Mexican woman, use my real name and have great friends on this site, including rotara. I never encountered racism here at all. Maybe you're overly sensitive or something? As far as the opinion issue, people can be for free speech without agreeing or 'tolerating' with your opinions Tolerance: to endure without repugnance http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tolerate If your political or religious ideas are repugnant to a poster why does that bother you?? defend and argue your points. Why whine about it? I don't give a sh!t who doesn't 'like' my opinions! Why do you? And frankly, as an observer, I find it amusing how you, as a poster seem to be able to get so people so riled up and push their buttons. They try to convince you of their points and ping you to obama's bad policies. So in that regard aren't your very goals of being here being met? I don't have any hard feelings against you, we discussed your fracture in the past when I had a similar accideent. If you were my friend I'd simply implore, "how could you support a degenerate abortionist who supports infanticide, a gun-grabber socialist new world order puppet??". As far as you threatening to call the SS secret service on posters here or imply there are 'threats', that is just pinko bullshit and is a real shame. it seems you want to use "government power" to silence varied political expression. And that is a real shame, you should have more respect for the 4um owner than that.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Mike if I might. Firstly, from an olde friend that disagrees with you most of the time, dont take things such as the forum to heart. Secondly, people act and react intemperately in many different ways, it's human nature. Politics and religion stir human emotions into a fervor sometimes, this calls everyone to back off from the heat of the moment and not add fuel to the fire. My two cents, for free.
Oh, we are going to have to live within our means, whether we have a stimulus and son of stimulus or not. Obama and Congress are going to have to be made to do so even if they are going to have to be given unendurable public pressure to do so. I loved Ron Paul's recent video about living within our means, and I like Obama's desire to cut the deficit in half. I worry more in fact that Congress is not into ending their spendthrift ways and I was pissed by this recent business as usual standard spending bill they passed in the aftermath of the stimulus. I am even willing to put my money where my mouth is and sacrifice social security retirement toward this goal. What Ron Paul says about printing money and treating debt like capital is not only good sense, it is the damn truth. My support for Obama only goes as far as his supporting the truth and understanding and working for a better future for our kids goes. No doubt Ron Paul would be a much better man for our time then Obama, but he is not the diabolocal criminal I see painted and dehumanized in here and at FR. He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does. He is the one who ultimately survived the process of this last election, and I do not agree his election is proof positive that Thomas Jefferson's words about the need for violent revolution's time is here to be implimented. I got worse then this Rotara Rooter treatment as a forest activist by Earth Liberation sorts locally who took extreme exception to my support of non- violent means to try to deal with logging without laws. I have heard worse from people who were obviously dangerous live and in the flesh, and this interestingly enough helped temper and harden my being to the point Rot's words don't really do more then annoy. Hey, If I die because of my strongly held beliefs, so be it. I prefer that to the thousand deaths of a coward who allowed others to shut him up and not say or support what he trully believes in.
Great two cents Cyni, appreciated, thanks.
"Immigration reform" has become the new euphemism for amnesty. When McCain and Kennedy tried to push amnesty through Congress, they also called it "immigration reform."
He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does. Obama and Ron Paul support the same things? That would be news not only to me, but to both Obama and Paul. Obama and Ron Paul are about as far apart politically as it's possible to be. In fact, they probably disgree on just about every issue. RP opposed the bailouts and stimulus package. BHO helped push them through. RP wants to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan. BHO wants to deepen our engagements in Afghanistan. RP opposes foreign aid. BHO is all in favor of it. RP opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants. BHO favors it. RP supports sound currency, Obama wants the status quo of a fiat, print-as-you go system. I could continue, but I think I've made my point. I can't understand how anybody who agrees with Ron Paul on the core issues could be an Obama supporter. But, to be fair, I couldn't understand how other RP voters became McCain supporters either. For all the hype about Democrats vs. Republicans, Obama and McCain had a lot more in common with one another than with Ron Paul or with any libertarian or "old right" conservative. Incidentally, the last point is the main reason that I don't get all hysterical about Obama like some on this site do. He's certainly not much worse (or any better) than Clinton or Bush were, or McCain would have been.
Don't be silly. The founders of the constitution had duels. You wanna have one? ;(
Sort of like...we have only ONE party...ONE ideology?????
Geez, Ferret ... you hearing and seeing the same thing as I am?
Technically, two parties, one ideology. That works better than one party and one ideology, because it creates the illusion of "choice" every 4 years.
Notice that NOBODY in either party will mention the word "quota", much less say "that country is cut off for a few decades" as needs to be done with mexico.
_________________________________________________________________________ Doesn't it seem as though there are two issues that are a litmus test for legitimacy in US politics? The first is support for amnesty for illegal aliens, the second is being pro- Israel. If you dissent on either of these issues, you can pretty much say goodbye to a shot to high office. Politicos learn this fast: for example, Jim Webb started out as anti-amnesty and in favor of immigration restrictions. After a couple of years in the Senate, he learned to toe the party line.
...and Sarah Palin. She had to parrot those two lines-of-thought. I don't think it was really her ideology considering her involvement in the Alaskan independence movement. Those two issues seem, to me, to be incongruent with any state independence movement. We'll never know unless one of us can corner her and badger the truth out of her.
_________________________________________________________________________ Why? So, you can go run and hide again? Every time I have engaged you in a serious debate and you were in serious danger of having to provide a rational response you have taken a powder. The reality is that you are not interested in rational thought or anything which challenges you to examine what you "think" and "emote". The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought. You have a a laundry list of cliches, snippets, and regurgitated dogma which you have absorbed from the various mind control programs which you regard as authoritative. Now go back and listen some more to Demokrassee Never, The Pacified Nutwork, etc., ...
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ditto for a turn around in Jim Webb's initial stated concerns about America's blind support of Israel.
Sure, but only Avatar to Avatar in EntropiaUniverse.com/Planet Calypso/ in a Player v. player zone situation. I will even take you on using an unskilled up avatar as not to have an advantage other then my long experience with the game. As for a real one, I'm afraid the legal system views them far differently then they used to. Besides, I don't hate anyone in this forum. And even if I did, there are better ways to take care of differences then with gratuitous violence. I didn't even come in now to eyeball to eyeball until being assured my right to free speech would be respected and after discussion with others. I prefer to handle bad situations forces on me rather then to start them. And a duel involves owning part of the karma of starting it. It also does not work as a solution when the players do not understand chivalry well.
Seems you are very confused. The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster. Bush: War Agenda in the Middle East O'bam bam: War Agenda in the Middle East Bush: Mal-administration staffed with CFR/Trilateral/Skull and Bones. O'bam bam: Mal-dministration staffed with CFR/Trilateral/Skull and Bones. I could go on but the only differences between Duhbya and O'bam bam is that O'bam bam's smile is somewhat less Satanic. Also he is a bit brighter, but still requires a teleprompter to keep from sounding like an idiot.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Why? So, you can go run and hide again? Exactly. Shit for brains (mike mkKarthy) can't defend the indefensible - his lying B.S. (cognitive dissonance) is a short and bumpy dead end walk. Of course that's if you believe he holds two counter views in his pea brain at one time. I hold to him knowing EXACTLY what he's doing - that f**king Traitor-whore. mike mkKarthy = The Enemy Within
If it were jorge arbusto and not the Magic Marxist Negro world socialist Obamalamadingdong, shit for brains would be up in arms. He's a deceiver, period. Now he has a green light to run his true colors up the flag pole. ALL of THEM will be held to account.
LOL! Well said, OI!
Halo online. Go get you a 360.
Virtually certain. Fair-rut Mikey is busy trying to convince everyone that he is as big a fool as he appears to be.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ain't amurrrriKa beautiful ?
Come one come all, run the these white honkey trash off and take over.
I grew up close to the tracks, on the up side. All my best friends lived on the OTHER side of said tracks. They were honest, funny, hard working, had yer back and they'd do anything for you. And I for them. A lot of them were blacks and we all hung tight. Nothing came between us, not even different High Schools or nothin'. Something went wrong in amurrrrriKa and it's never been the same.
That one was not my man either, but if you believe the last part of your statement, you are seriously deluded my friend. The fact that you think "These are grownups and are going to try to make it right" (as opposed to bringing what is left all crashing down) is the silliest thing I've ever heard...wait..no I've heard it before...from every leftist (Statist) totalitarian believer in the megalith of TheStateInc. Your voice can be heard daily as the MSM has orgasmic spews of lovelust for the new messiah and his 535 (minus about 10 perhaps) "assitants" in Congress. Your messiah wants to give amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens so they can compete for jobs with MY CHILDREN and everyone else who is out of work...in a Depression no less. I could go on forever in this continued gang rape of Lady Liberty that you think is so peechy keen. Please review the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence that you were told you fought for. Please note which political parties lied to you. Please note which political parties both believe in Fascism and total State control (i.e. the LEFT..not the right...and both parties are indeed left! (The pure right is actually anarchy and total freedom. We want to be a tad to the left of that..but not much...as we USED TO BE!!) WAKE UP!!!!!!! You can't be THAT stupid!! Can you???????
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
hear! hear! great post, Indie.
Aww shucks..thank you..I try. :)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
Probably true to some extent in this forum. In a less hate driven forum. I don't really feel to into racism and pointless scapegoating and hatreds. I'll do a you to me/me to you search and see what sort of take I get on it after the fact. And if I see your criticism has a basis, I'll comment on it.
Got a link, I'm not familiar with any game by that name. I craft and hunt on Planet Calypso, a Project Entropia Universe game by Mind Ark of Sweden. I am the leader of a society and after several years my avatar is really skilled up. I watched my girlfriend play it several months before I joined up and got an avatar, and I wish now I had not been such a party pooper about it from the start. It is a fun game and I enjoy so many players from so many other countries playing. I have a couple of new Chinese disciples - people whom one takes under your wing to teach the game's ropes, and they are fascinating to watch as it gives me insight into them culturally. Let me know if you ever sign up, I'll help you out with a weapon and some armor and a fap/healing kit.
I hate all of you since FR days and no one would team up with me in Midtown Madness.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I live in what's called 'felony flats in Eugene down in the Whiteaker neighborhood, named after Oregon's first territorial governor. It would be anything but 'felony flats' in the rough parts of town where I grew up in Connecticut, but it is a good place with many decent blue collar workers and has a growing problem with gentrification issues. If you are ever in this part of Oregon you are always welcome to stop by. I don't bite, and I bet you are a decent enough sort live and in the flesh, though for obvious reasons I would beg off discussing too much in the way of politics. That topic does not bring out the best in you. It would not bother me to run into you, and you would be surprised how hospitable and nice I can be.
Heh, you mean you actually remember 'ferret' from the good old days? My you are an old timer.
I even know what you look like. Spooky.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
hate driven forum? please give specific examples as to whom and what you are talking about.
It's your forum and you know without my input how some people view some of the content people post here and the bad rap things like racial intolerence generally gets in society is deserved. There are good people here and really good things posted, but if you really do want examples, I remember one instance recently when some really tasteless pictures didn't bother you or many others and many here as if you just don't understand how to be respectful and decent toward others. It is only as big a deal as you want to make it really. This forum is going to be like it is despite anything I say, so I chose to overlook what I feel are really bad views that do hurt decent people who do not deserve it. But I am not in the mood to want to war with anyone about it. I do not like bigotry, and I see it here, and that is my opinion. I am not going to war with anyone over it, nor is it worth even disliking anyone in regards to their love of these pointless wedge issues pushed in forum. What I don't like is the personal attacks and threats from some in here that never let up. And I backed off not because I am driven off, but because I am not into making this forum a source of stress and consternation for you. You are a good person, and I don't see you as someone who hates others merely because of race or other wedge issues. Those that live for that sort of thing I am not into cage rattling contests with, unless I am being ganged up on and persistently attacked. That is what I am not into and why I am fed up. Turtle can spew his intolerance, people can needlessly worry about harmless people like gays and lesbians or whatever, just allow me the same grace to speak my mind and give my two cents worth without trying to play forum terminator to do some virtual ethnic cleansing of the forum. You have worked hard to build this forum and I respect that and I am glad you are happy with this product. And if my disagreeing with how some build their little personal paradigms of reality cause you consternation and piss you off, just say so and I will just post elsewhere. I like you and have no interest with doing battle with you. And you are the host here and have the right to have or not have anyone as part of your virtual community as you see fit. Hope that answers your question.
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#95. To: christine (#91)
We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#96. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
#97. To: Rotara (#76)
Had the War Between the States been won by the Confederates, the Confederates would have merged with Maximilian's Mexico.
#98. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
and hated because I am not racist
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#99. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
#100. To: noone222 (#93)
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#101. To: Cynicom (#99)
#102. To: X-15 (#0)
“And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform
#103. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
(Edited)
No doubt Ron Paul would be a much better man for our time then Obama, but he is not the diabolocal criminal I see painted and dehumanized in here and at FR.
#104. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#105. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#103)
He's certainly no worse (or no better) than Clinton or Bush were, or McCain would have been.
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does.
#107. To: Cynicom (#105)
Sort of like...we have only ONE party...ONE ideology
#108. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#102)
President Obama said: “We’re going to start by really trying to work on how to improve the current [immigration] system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens . . . are able to do it
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#109. To: X-15 (#108)
#110. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#109)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#111. To: Ferret Mike, Rotara, Mikey the Weasel, christine, O'bots, dupes, fools, suckers, rubes, apologists, chronic liars, and other Obama supporters (#10)
Take care, and let me know if you ever really want to debate or discuss anything in earnest.
#112. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#109)
for example, Jim Webb started out as anti-amnesty and in favor of immigration restrictions. After a couple of years in the Senate, he learned to toe the party line.
#113. To: Old Friend (#104)
#114. To: Ferret Mike, Old Friend, Rotara, Mikey the Weasel, O'bots, dupes, fools, suckers, rubes, apologists, chronic liars, and other Obama supporters (#27)
Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
#115. To: Original_Intent, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy, corn flake gurl (#111)
Take care, and let me know if you ever really want to debate or discuss anything in earnest.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#116. To: Original_Intent (#114)
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The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#117. To: Original_Intent (#114)
The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster.
#118. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
#119. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#116)
If it were jorge arbusto and not the Magic Marxist Negro world socialist Obamalamadingdong, shit for brains would be up in arms.
#120. To: scrapper2 (#117)
#121. To: Original_Intent (#119)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#122. To: Rotara (#121)
#123. To: Cynicom (#122)
Come one come all, run the these white honkey trash off and take over.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#124. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#27)
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Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
Your messiah and his assistants want to make slaves out of my children forcing them into government servitude in the form of slave labor and/or a draft.
Your messiah and his assistants wants to remove guns and ammo from our hands and even tag the ammo.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#125. To: IndieTX (#124)
(The pure right is actually anarchy and total freedom. We want to be a tad to the left of that..but not much...as we USED TO BE!!)
#126. To: christine (#125)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#127. To: Original_Intent (#111)
"The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought."
#128. To: Old Friend (#118)
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#128)
#130. To: Rotara (#123)
#131. To: Dakmar (#129)
#132. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
#133. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#134. To: christine (#133)
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