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Title: Despite High Unemployment, Obama Puts Amnesty on the Agenda
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URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pa ... urity=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1721#1
Published: Feb 23, 2009
Author: FAIR
Post Date: 2009-02-25 12:26:01 by X-15
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Views: 1582
Comments: 180
This week, as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work. (El Piolin Interview, February 18, 2009 and CBS4—South Florida). During the radio interview, President Obama said: “We’re going to start by really trying to work on how to improve the current [immigration] system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens . . . are able to do it; that it’s cheaper, that it’s faster, that they have an easier time in terms of sponsoring family members.” Following that, President Obama acknowledged what legal American workers already know intuitively—that amnesty is not in their best interest—but then endorsed amnesty anyway. President Obama said: “And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform. . . . Politically it’s going to be tough. It’s probably tougher now than it was, partly because of the fact that the economy has gotten worse.” (El Piolin). According to the U.S. Department of Labor, over 11.6 million Americans are currently unemployed and the number of unemployed Americans has increased by 4.1 million over the past year. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2009). Millions more have simply stopped looking for work. Just last month, 598,000 Americans lost their jobs. Particularly troubling among the unemployment data is the fact that certain minorities such as African-Americans are experiencing greater unemployment (12.6 percent) than the nation as a whole. President Obama also said his staff was working on amnesty already, stating: “we’ve got some wonderful people on my White House staff who are working on this issue on an ongoing basis.” Earlier this week, open-borders advocates suggested that they expect that Congress will debate amnesty legislation in the fall of 2009. (NDN, February 20, 2009). Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s director of Hispanic media has confirmed the likely timing for debate as well. (O Jornal, January 30, 2009).
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He's the type of scaly son of a bitch that, before he's finished, will make jorge arbusto look like a saint.
I suppose this was the "change" you had in mind? Hmmm? Your president has now made it crystal clear that he is a traitor that represents another foreign power, and not the US. He certainly has made it as plain as the nose on your fucking face that he values other people over you. May I find your center of mass sitting on my properly centered front sight post. Congratulations, assholes. You fell for it. You are just too stupid to live. Passing this around, thank you for posting it.
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Here's your f**king Amnesty and North American Union ya lying world socialist cs'ing Traitor.
They knew exactly what they were doing and EXACTLY what they were getting. This is their utopian dream.
Obama is a prevaricating son of a white, communist, bitch bump
_________________________________________________________________________ I think you're right. Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming. Not from up close, but from over the horizon. They willingly put style over substance. So, I hope they look real stylish dressed in rags and skinny as broom handles.
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I just had a very pleasant conversation with the liberal white guilter bitch working in my congresscritters office (Rep. Kenny Marchant, Republican). She came right out and said there were more important issues than mexicons running around the interior of America. This country is lost.
_________________________________________________________________________ I can count on two hands the number of critters (out of 535) that put America and Americans first. The Traitors have sealed their fate imo.
Amazing. The ME wars and our depression are huge problems, but nothing is going to change on those fronts either in a positive way... We suck.
King of the threats and whines, how goes it. I am always interested in mature debate that is lively and respectful with agreement not being requisite. Actually, I find your badgering and flaming trying to get everyone on this forum to be of your mindset to be socialistic. With is quite ironic considering what you say when you flic your litle Bic. Take care, and let me know if you ever really want to debate or discuss anything in earnest. You know, do the sort of activity that makes a real forum.
Jesus Christ.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
You're a fuckstick Traitor and I shall piss on your grave. For starters.
It'll be over 25 (maybe 40) million if it's 12. C'est la vie !
Jesus Christ. Ditto your comment. I am flabbergasted. This Obama Presidency is worse than I imagined and it's only 6 weeks in. What next?
A s#itload, including war.
we would have gotten amnesty with mccain too. maybe not quite this soon. at this point, just let the whole damn thing come crashing down. i only pray that those of us who didn't ask for this are the last ones standing.
The last ones standing might be standing with their faces up against a fence in a FEMA "relocation and re-education camp". That won't be my fate. 80 million gun-owners would only have to pull their triggers once to get rid of the FedGov and make way for the government our Founding Fathers gave us.
_________________________________________________________________________ That won't be my fate. 80 million gun-owners would only have to pull their triggers once to get rid of the FedGov and make way for the government our Founding Fathers gave us. _________________________________________________________________________ Qapla' batlh je. Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
I'm reading the infamous Turner Diaries now, and while it is an OK read so far, I think you are closer to the truth. We, IMO, could end it all in a week. We could crash this government. But the aftermath might be a bitch. I know that sounds suspiciously like those that thought the Civil War 1 would last a month or so, but WE dont line up in nice tight rows and columns and WE dont do other stupid crap that will get masses of our men killed. If 3-5% of the population is of like mind, that is enough to get the job done, IMO. Think of 1 in every 20 or so people in your town or city being on your side. That is a lot of people even if it's unorganized. And that unorganization might not be a bad thing. Or, this is a pipe dream and will only get us killed.
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This won't pass. Finally, critical mass has been reached, and, finally, finaly, the people and the states are turning against the federal government. Obama will be the last straw. I laff at the Obamatards. You know who you are.
You have been talked to about your death threats. Merely omitting how and where you intend to definately seee me dead and saying you will piss on my grave when it definately happens does not make it not a death threast. So you are saying this is not a free speech forum? That if someonee gives opinion and they have the audacity to disagree with you they will die? You are a twisted fuck head. I serve you notice I am not intimidated by you, and it is you who have the severe problem with criminality, not me.
Why is your pigger president spending my kids future away?
It is worse. O has given us a Surge in Afghanistan, while promising the removal of "combat troops" in Iraq some 19 months out. Even if he does remove combat troops (I'll believe it when I see it) that will leave behind an American military to be used for a continuing occupation. What's next? Civilian resistance, peaceful at first. I can't afford to continue paying for socialism. I know I'm not alone.
You fence sitters should have voted lesser evil. Lesser evil while still evil is less evil.
FOD you Traitor against America.
Lesser evil while still evil is less evil. LOL I can't believe you just said that. Naaaah, I believe it.
Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage. Seems you are very confused.
Not only am I not paying for it directly anymore, I've almost completely limited my exposure to the hidden tax that hits everyone: INFLATION. I guarantee you it would have been EXACTLY the same had mcKein been the selection.
LOL !! Where the f**k do you people hatch from ??
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And where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that Rotara and fascists like him have the right to threaten or try to kill those who dare disagree with him or them? Where does it appoint you or others like you as judge, jury and executioner? I post my opinions and comment on ideas, policies and news events. I have done so many many years, and free speech is what this country is about, not Rotara approved speech.That is why this forum is allegedly here. I serve you notice I am in no way intimidated by you. I have a right to my opinions on things. It is you who have a problem here. not me.
Obama is planning a defecit of almost 2 trillion this year. This is far worse than Bush right. If Bush had only had bigger defecits we would have been better off right? Oh yeah and this surge in Afghanistan that is just great right.
You're a Traitor to the Constitution and you promote further Treason against the Constitution. You should be tried and hung or shot. Your choice.
Can I challenge you to a duel?
You could use a swift kick in your Obama.
Wheeeeee. The hand wringers will always be with us. Price we pay for living here. During the revolution, 70 per cent of the hand wringing bastards sat on the sidelines, did nothing, let Americans do the bleeding and dying. Their offspring are with us today.
I'm reading the infamous Turner Diaries now, and while it is an OK read so far, I think you are closer to the truth. It will make the occupation of Iraqistan look easy. Just watch your back for the PILES.
So you are agreeing with Rotara that this is not a free speech venue and those entering it disagreeing with him and you should be dead? You merely work another angle of posting a death threat. Merely inferring that it is not by suggesting it is not by talking about activities that are highly illegal like armed combat designed to cause one or two deaths is disingenuous. If you can't handle my opinions and beliefs, use your kill file feature, don't bother me about your personal problems.
E-verify and deport.
Goes for you too. I have a right to be here, grow up.
Brzezinski, Kissinger, et al, Kurt Nimmo If you wouldn't open your trap no one would know what a low life America hating Traitor you are. Keep it up and bring more with you.
You are a coward, and live only to try to bully and control. That is the bottom line with you.
I agree that you have a right to your opinions as long as they aren't imposed upon me. It's not free speech that's the problem. It's the imposition of rules, regulations and laws that cause the angst. Free speech is an outgrowth of Constitutional principles that those with your communist/socialist opinion obliterate when you or those you believe in begin to impose socialist taxation and regulation that clearly violates the same Constitution that allows free speech. You can't have it both ways. Picking and choosing those parts of the so called CONstitution that one agrees with (like free speech principles) while destroying those you don't agree with is dishonest. What I'm saying is that my life isn't something for political morons or politicians to fuck with, it's mine. And when the masses become addicted to socialist programs that they can't pay for and expect me and others taking care of themselves to pay for them ... fuck their free speech because it's costing others a fortune. When your opinions cost me my freedom or wealth I might rethink free speech. This isn't anything personal but it appears that you are confusing talk with actions. I couldn't care less what you think or say ... I do care what is done by those you elect or help elect. (This goes for either criminal party). Today the guns are silent. This communist usurper of the Oval Office and his Attorney General, should they decide to register, tax or confiscate guns will start a civil war in America. At that point free speech won't mean squat.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
Tell me now, what are we supposed to do?
You have NO IDEA what my bottom line is you fucking Traitor pig fellator.
I'm so sick and tired of the debate with these deviants. Time for words are over. Again, as always, extremely well articulated.
You are conflicted. You say have a right to free speech, then say I don't because I am wrong in your opinion. And you seem to think you are infallible and no one dare question whether you are right or not. How is this not a fascist modus of thinking? You are free with thee insults and seem to like the blood talk going on here this morning with two death threats posted. If you don't like me, you know how to not see my posts, got it?
Listen up cornholer, no one is going to sit back and put ice on it anymore. Those days are over. You want to take us down with you, GOOD FUCKING LUCK WITH THAT !
People who do not share your opinion are 'deviant?' Time to end their free speech rights and to deny them a political role in their own country? You are a fascist, and proud of it. That is nothing to boast about.
Exactly which "grown-ups" are "trying to repair the damage."?? The ones who are threatening to kill us by confiscating our arms and ammunition to leave us unarmed against Obummers' Final Solution?? The people who voted for Obummer are the juden-rats of the 21st century. Obummer has leaped past Clinton, Bush, Carter, LBJ, FDR, Lincoln, and Wilson to attain the title of Worst President In History. All in less than two months into his so-called "administration".
_________________________________________________________________________ Get your medication changed. And good luck trying to grow some good mental health. I feel sorry for you and Stoned old stonie here.
Just so we're clear you delusional Traitorous America-hating demon spawn. Why do the good people in your family die so young and a POS like you lives ? Ever thought of that ?
It's like I said you socialist suck poop, I don't care what you say ... I only concern myself when you and your low-life socialist comrades raid my pocketbook or attempt to restrain my liberty of choice. That has nothing to do with speech and everything to do with theft. Got it ?
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
And of course you need to adjust your meds as well. -end sarcasm- These mother fuckers are delusional beyond help. They're just flat out dangerous.
It's more than theft, it's murder of this nation and it's peoples by slow strangulation. And such a murder must be resisted by armed force.
_________________________________________________________________________ And yours is not merely an 'opinion'. It is sheer treason in motion. Your deviance from every last strand of the Constitution - your imposition into our lives is more than just a verbal or mental affront. You ARE the enemy within. You are MY family's enemy, my country's enemy and a murdering thief inside the wire.
I do not concur. I do not agree with everything the Democrats are doing and belong to the Pacific Green Party because I do not. What I see here is people too afraid to dialog and discuss what you post about. I am merely being used here as a vehicle to talk about a desire to assassinate the president. That much is plainly obvious. Being coy about it and dancing on the edge of the razor blade of discussing revolution and violent over throw of the government is not free speech and open dialog.
Dumb Ass Traitor, How many MORE years do you want to talk while the frog is boiled, dum bass ? Remember when YOU L-I-E-D and claimed to be an actual American and took everyone into your confidence ? You fucking pig..
My goodness you're a fucktard Traitor. I can't wait. CAN NOT WAIT
I have sworn an Oath to uphold, preserve and protect the U.S. Constitution and take this oath seriously, even though my military service is up. Your whines, death threats and hatred of free speech are your problems. Your desire for violent insurrection is your problem, that is involved here.
Can't wait for what? A visit from the Secret Service?
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
You're delusional and probably a federal plant. You're a useless eater if there ever were one ... don't flatter yourself that anyone could find you of any legitimate use. Trillions have been stolen from honest hard working Americans investments and retirement funds, something you would have no clue about. It's not a democrat/republican thing ... it's all about dumb fucks like you hoping that some over rated sock puppet is going to save them from themselves. Get a life, your own fucking life, one that others don't have to finance for you.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
Mike, offer immediate proof.
You pulled that corn flake girl shit on the other site as well. Pussy
You are the one substituting talk on a free speech forum for blood lust, not me.
Nobody here dare directly threaten Barack Obama, but they sure can try to create the climate for insurrection and violent overthrow of the government by using me, an open with my ID poster as a surrogate to express and reinforce their blood talk in a way they feel it will galvanize others to act. The proof that Rotara and others do not want to talk, and prefer a William Quantrill sort of answer to end political freedom and free speech is all over Rotara's posts. He would never dare directly threaten, but he can advance his agenda to see the government overthrown and to see Obama removed from office by any means necessary by trying to use me as a surrogate vehicle to advance his agenda, and it is obvious this is what he is up to.
Your feelings and personal thoughts aside, all I want to know is if you saw or read a threat that would require immediate action on the part of the forum owner. I think I read your answer to be no, right? If OTOH, a comment was missed please ID it now. Thanks.
Oh great defender of freedom; where will you be when they come for my guns ? Where will you be when they come for my gold ? Where will you be when they merge Mexico and Canada and US together and foreigners along with your brother ameriKans patrol our streets ? Where will you be when they come for the patriots' children ? Where will you be when the nation is governed by a world body ? Because I know you all too well, you can't claim ignorance or stupidity. You are a LIAR and one of THEM. You f**king Traitor.
Maybe you are too stupid to know and too brainwashed to care. The puppets will run away when the puppet masters of the illegal shadow government are stopped. You sure love your Marxist front puppet you fucking world socialist Traitor.
Fairy Mike is a trouble maker that is trying to manufacture that "comment". I see his behavior as a threat to the peaceful participation most of us have here even when we don't agree. When I saw his "presidential threat comment" it made me think that he's trying to manufacture a threat that never existed. You were right to demand that he provide the threat remark.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
That pig does it on every forum he infests.
General Smedley Butler Great tag btw
As they did in the 18th and 19th centuries?
Had the War Between the States been won by the Confederates, the Confederates would have merged with Maximilian's Mexico. That has no relation to the Executive branch and it's bureaucrats lying to accomplish the same with no oversight in Constitutional America. Do you world socialist Traitors even have a clue what you're talking about ??
from The Declaration of Independence~ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Those boys had a way with words !
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
The peaceful discourse was ended when Rotara started posting threats, very detailed and graphic ones to me. One does not talk of killing all who disagree without feeling the same in regards to those in leadership positions those he wishes dead support. I would not post my understanding of the full inference of Rotara if I was contacting any agency like the FBI or Secret Service. And I am not the least bit intimidated by Rotara. But if I die violently, he has unsured he will be sought and talked to to see if he turned his words to actions.
Where will you be when they come for my gold ? Where will you be when they merge Mexico and Canada and US together and foreigners along with your brother ameriKans patrol our streets ? Where will you be when they come for the patriots' children ? Where will you be when the nation is governed by a world body ? Because I know you all too well, you can't claim ignorance or stupidity. You are a LIAR and one of THEM. You f**king Traitor. [crickets]
The Tree of Liberty Must Be Refreshed A revolution in America — no matter how you choose to define or characterize it — is still an American Revolution “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” — Thomas Jefferson What happens when the threat to American government comes from within? There is the subtle and invisible war that is taking place at home. This War is between Americans with different understandings of what it means to be “American” and what it means to be “Free”. This war will NOT take place in the trenches and won’t be won with guns or knives. This revolutionary war is taking place among America’s elite over control of our nation’s future. What better way to spearhead the revolution than the advancement of technology? The revolutionary charge from libertarians and anti- war liberals has already started to make members of the establishment a bit nervous. Radicals want change and there will be no compromise on one key idea: Defending liberty at home is essential to fighting the “war on terror” ™ and necessary to restore our Constitution as the supreme law of the land. David hunting down Goliath Can the principle, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” apply to this kind of war? Can Democrats, Independents, and Libertarians band together to bring about this change? Will the change sought shake up Washington and restore American faith in Democracy? Americans sense the the threat to freedom that has come from within. If you haven’t noticed, Libertarians have come out of the woodworks and have amassed a viable force to counter the threat of “super patriotism”. The force is especially noticeable with the rise of Ron Paul, a Texas libertarian that will no doubt impact the outcome of the Republican primary. His band of revolutionaries will likely help decide the 2008 election no matter how Ron Paul fares in the primary. Defending the Constitution vs. “Securing” our Nation Were the founding fathers revolutionaries or “terrorists?” The founders of the U.S. Constitution were most definitely terrorists as per today’s definition of the word. When we recall their patriotic actions, we remember them as revolutionaries, visionaries, and widely regard them as American heroes. Our founder had dreams of an America free of tyranny and corruption. They desired a limited government that would keep order, promote freedom and stay out of people’s affairs. Without the aid of civil libertarians that kept our nation honest and true to our founding principles over the years, the dream our founders had may soon end if Americans aren’t careful. Home-grown Terrorism Legislation is now in sharp focus As I mentioned above, the founders were a special breed of “terrorist”. They stood bravely against a State ready to hang them for not bowing before an unjust king. His majesty, King George III of England, was in for a great surprise! Over two hundred years later, our nation remains strong but liberty is no longer the hallmark of American Democracy. In fact, the issue of protecting Liberty has become a controversial topic now. Our Senators in Congress should be quick to stand up for the cause of Liberty. Instead, the foundation of our nation is cracking and Senators are sitting down when they should be fighting for our rights. If there were ever a litmus test for serving as a public official, protecting essential liberty and defending the Constitution should be it. --snip--
That is pure assumption on your part. Thinking that a threat against you has even the slightest relationship to someone in leadership is preposterous.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
Your direct affront to King Obamalamadingdong and his court of jesters will not go unnoticed. :Kool Aid:
Great quote from a great document printed on hemp paper. So you are saying that all those Rotara hates should die then? And you are saying anyone he does not agree with should be shut up? Perhaps something should be neutralized, but it is not the U.S. government. It is the fascist notions the rotaras here stand for and organize to advance that is the problem, not the government. It is flawed and needs change, but the using of a chainsaw to do surgery is insanity, and that is what is involved here when you look at this William Quantrill-like blood talk.
LOL And if the SS knocks on my door, all bets are off bitch.
Please point out exactly who is "The U.S. government" and what 'thing' that should 'perhaps' be neutralized. Can you identify "The U.S. government" or those "things to perhaps be neutralized" ? BTW, have you gotten your Million Civilian Osnight Corps assignment yet ?
Where will you be when they come for my gold ? Where will you be when they merge Mexico and Canada and US together and foreigners along with your brother ameriKans patrol our streets ? Where will you be when they come for the patriots' children ? Where will you be when the nation is governed by a world body ? Because I know you all too well, you can't claim ignorance or stupidity. You are a LIAR and one of THEM. You f**king Traitor. [2nd generation crickets]
Rotara talks about the critical need not to discuss or dialog and to kill many many people. Nobody that wants to kill a body talks of cutting off the body to kill, the objective aimed at is always the head, where the brain is. All he talks about is shedding blood this and shedding blood that, with himself rhetorically placed on a pedestal by himself as the sole vehicle of truth in this country. He is blood thirsty, abusive and delutional. And there is no doubt in my own mind that he would shoot Barack Obama if the oppertunity presented itself. If he wants to extrapolate who and what should die and why, there is no reason to begrudge his thought process being revealed in it's fullest measure. He talks blood spilling, and I am hardly the real target. I am just someone he tries to use to advance his agenda of death, hatred and fascist beliefs.
How did you survive life thus far ? Talk about mysteries. Why don't you start answering questions Mr. Thoughtful Debater ? You're so full of shit - you've been exposed and tagged. Nothing will change it.
And you got my answer the very first time you posted a picture of a laser sight equiped rifle pointed at the camera and graphic threats given to try to intimidate and shut me up. Face it, I am just not even remotely frightened by you. You are the p[roblem, not me. As far as Goldi's forum goes, Corn Flake Girl, a nick chosen because of the relationship of the returning bannee account to what the metaphor that character in Tori Amos' song by that title got cut aws expected when I made it clear to Goldi I was the one she banned to stop me from supporting an amnesty for illegal immigrants. I believe a draconian and brutal crystal night type solution to the problem is not an answer, and I do support an amnesty that is fair and flexible; not a free pass into this country. Goldi has verbiage in her welcome page celebrating her alleged support of free speech, yet she will not allow it to exist over there. 4UM is supposed to be a place where free speech is upheld and allowed to flurish. But for the most part, it has turn ed into a Rotara based 'my way or the body bag' site. And you cannot tell me that his blood shedding talk only applies to people who support or like our new POTUS in any way. He obviously nwould treat Washington,D.C. like WIlliam Quantrill treated Lawrence, KA when he and his fellow terrorists killed man and small boys of all ages and condition in cold blood merely for living there.
what i quoted is the Founders words, not mine. Revolution has and may be violent and bloody and, yes, people die. that's the reality. i am in no way saying that i think they should die by quoting the Declaration of Independence. what we have is a government that is no longer for, by and of the people. i'm sorry that you don't see this. And you are saying anyone he does not agree with should be shut up? i'm saying no such thing. you and everyone he disagrees with are having their say. i'm not censoring or shutting anyone up. see my free speech policy here: 2006-08-18 My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control. Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations. Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another. We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.
There you go again, always trying to intimidate and always talking blood shedding. Nothing about what I do when I post in forum has changed over the years since I first posted at the Well and Time.Com/Politics has changed, except that I am older and better at winning a point of order as I have done here. It is you who hates open dialog, it is you who hates free speech and an open democratic political process. And you cannot kill anything I believe in or stand form and you cannot make me operate in a defensive mode as you have tried continually to do, and this bothers you greatly, as you are a control freak. You exude a desire to control and glorify violent intent and action to inforce this sense of a desire to control in every word you post. It is you who will ultimately be a meal by trying to ride the tiger that is hate and intolerence, not me. That is your problem, and it is yourself you, your inner blood thirsty soul you are in conflict with here, not me.
When the mob (democratic majority) finds it reasonable to impose their brand of justice upon those opposed in order to finance it ... there will be bloodshed and in truth the minority are acting in self defense. Yours is an agenda similar to Robin Hood stealing from the haves to give it to the have nots, after a healthy distribution to self. Those opposed to your socialism are only being considered because they can pay for it. If you want to redistribute my wealth (which is minimal) you better be armed because I ain't volunteering.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
The strong intent and goal of this foolish man or woman in the Rotara account is to shut up people like myself, or to use them as a straw man as best they can to further their fascist agenda. I have bent over backwards trying to dialog and engage in lively discussion and even debate, and I get slandered, threatened and bullied with no quarter given. I am insinuated to be homosexual because I do not discriminate against them, and hated because I am not racist, I have been continually been belittled and threatened, and any attempt I make to engage in free speech is met by tactics to prevent anything of the sort from happening. I did not start this, Rotara did. I am not talking bloodshed and supporting a rebirth of the sort of terrorism William Quantrill created and carried out, he is. I can only say he still has his work cut out for him, because if I was indeed intimidatable, I never would of become a well known local activist, or used my real name online in these forums. As I just said, anyone can die and everyone eventually will, but the ideas he hates are bullet proof. Ande deep inside he knows this, which no doubt helps fuel his meglomania and inner rage.
_________________________________________________________________________ Mike, your beef is with Rotara. it's not the forum. it's your choice whether or not you want to continue to engage him. there are many others here whose style and personality you may prefer with whom you can dialogue.
Gee...really? Your world has a different historical timeline than mine?
man this is a perfect example of the exagerated bullshit claims you make. I am married to a Mexican woman, use my real name and have great friends on this site, including rotara. I never encountered racism here at all. Maybe you're overly sensitive or something? As far as the opinion issue, people can be for free speech without agreeing or 'tolerating' with your opinions Tolerance: to endure without repugnance http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tolerate If your political or religious ideas are repugnant to a poster why does that bother you?? defend and argue your points. Why whine about it? I don't give a sh!t who doesn't 'like' my opinions! Why do you? And frankly, as an observer, I find it amusing how you, as a poster seem to be able to get so people so riled up and push their buttons. They try to convince you of their points and ping you to obama's bad policies. So in that regard aren't your very goals of being here being met? I don't have any hard feelings against you, we discussed your fracture in the past when I had a similar accideent. If you were my friend I'd simply implore, "how could you support a degenerate abortionist who supports infanticide, a gun-grabber socialist new world order puppet??". As far as you threatening to call the SS secret service on posters here or imply there are 'threats', that is just pinko bullshit and is a real shame. it seems you want to use "government power" to silence varied political expression. And that is a real shame, you should have more respect for the 4um owner than that.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Mike if I might. Firstly, from an olde friend that disagrees with you most of the time, dont take things such as the forum to heart. Secondly, people act and react intemperately in many different ways, it's human nature. Politics and religion stir human emotions into a fervor sometimes, this calls everyone to back off from the heat of the moment and not add fuel to the fire. My two cents, for free.
Oh, we are going to have to live within our means, whether we have a stimulus and son of stimulus or not. Obama and Congress are going to have to be made to do so even if they are going to have to be given unendurable public pressure to do so. I loved Ron Paul's recent video about living within our means, and I like Obama's desire to cut the deficit in half. I worry more in fact that Congress is not into ending their spendthrift ways and I was pissed by this recent business as usual standard spending bill they passed in the aftermath of the stimulus. I am even willing to put my money where my mouth is and sacrifice social security retirement toward this goal. What Ron Paul says about printing money and treating debt like capital is not only good sense, it is the damn truth. My support for Obama only goes as far as his supporting the truth and understanding and working for a better future for our kids goes. No doubt Ron Paul would be a much better man for our time then Obama, but he is not the diabolocal criminal I see painted and dehumanized in here and at FR. He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does. He is the one who ultimately survived the process of this last election, and I do not agree his election is proof positive that Thomas Jefferson's words about the need for violent revolution's time is here to be implimented. I got worse then this Rotara Rooter treatment as a forest activist by Earth Liberation sorts locally who took extreme exception to my support of non- violent means to try to deal with logging without laws. I have heard worse from people who were obviously dangerous live and in the flesh, and this interestingly enough helped temper and harden my being to the point Rot's words don't really do more then annoy. Hey, If I die because of my strongly held beliefs, so be it. I prefer that to the thousand deaths of a coward who allowed others to shut him up and not say or support what he trully believes in.
Great two cents Cyni, appreciated, thanks.
"Immigration reform" has become the new euphemism for amnesty. When McCain and Kennedy tried to push amnesty through Congress, they also called it "immigration reform."
He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does. Obama and Ron Paul support the same things? That would be news not only to me, but to both Obama and Paul. Obama and Ron Paul are about as far apart politically as it's possible to be. In fact, they probably disgree on just about every issue. RP opposed the bailouts and stimulus package. BHO helped push them through. RP wants to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan. BHO wants to deepen our engagements in Afghanistan. RP opposes foreign aid. BHO is all in favor of it. RP opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants. BHO favors it. RP supports sound currency, Obama wants the status quo of a fiat, print-as-you go system. I could continue, but I think I've made my point. I can't understand how anybody who agrees with Ron Paul on the core issues could be an Obama supporter. But, to be fair, I couldn't understand how other RP voters became McCain supporters either. For all the hype about Democrats vs. Republicans, Obama and McCain had a lot more in common with one another than with Ron Paul or with any libertarian or "old right" conservative. Incidentally, the last point is the main reason that I don't get all hysterical about Obama like some on this site do. He's certainly not much worse (or any better) than Clinton or Bush were, or McCain would have been.
Don't be silly. The founders of the constitution had duels. You wanna have one? ;(
Sort of like...we have only ONE party...ONE ideology?????
Geez, Ferret ... you hearing and seeing the same thing as I am?
Technically, two parties, one ideology. That works better than one party and one ideology, because it creates the illusion of "choice" every 4 years.
Notice that NOBODY in either party will mention the word "quota", much less say "that country is cut off for a few decades" as needs to be done with mexico.
_________________________________________________________________________ Doesn't it seem as though there are two issues that are a litmus test for legitimacy in US politics? The first is support for amnesty for illegal aliens, the second is being pro- Israel. If you dissent on either of these issues, you can pretty much say goodbye to a shot to high office. Politicos learn this fast: for example, Jim Webb started out as anti-amnesty and in favor of immigration restrictions. After a couple of years in the Senate, he learned to toe the party line.
...and Sarah Palin. She had to parrot those two lines-of-thought. I don't think it was really her ideology considering her involvement in the Alaskan independence movement. Those two issues seem, to me, to be incongruent with any state independence movement. We'll never know unless one of us can corner her and badger the truth out of her.
_________________________________________________________________________ Why? So, you can go run and hide again? Every time I have engaged you in a serious debate and you were in serious danger of having to provide a rational response you have taken a powder. The reality is that you are not interested in rational thought or anything which challenges you to examine what you "think" and "emote". The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought. You have a a laundry list of cliches, snippets, and regurgitated dogma which you have absorbed from the various mind control programs which you regard as authoritative. Now go back and listen some more to Demokrassee Never, The Pacified Nutwork, etc., ...
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ditto for a turn around in Jim Webb's initial stated concerns about America's blind support of Israel.
Sure, but only Avatar to Avatar in EntropiaUniverse.com/Planet Calypso/ in a Player v. player zone situation. I will even take you on using an unskilled up avatar as not to have an advantage other then my long experience with the game. As for a real one, I'm afraid the legal system views them far differently then they used to. Besides, I don't hate anyone in this forum. And even if I did, there are better ways to take care of differences then with gratuitous violence. I didn't even come in now to eyeball to eyeball until being assured my right to free speech would be respected and after discussion with others. I prefer to handle bad situations forces on me rather then to start them. And a duel involves owning part of the karma of starting it. It also does not work as a solution when the players do not understand chivalry well.
Seems you are very confused. The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster. Bush: War Agenda in the Middle East O'bam bam: War Agenda in the Middle East Bush: Mal-administration staffed with CFR/Trilateral/Skull and Bones. O'bam bam: Mal-dministration staffed with CFR/Trilateral/Skull and Bones. I could go on but the only differences between Duhbya and O'bam bam is that O'bam bam's smile is somewhat less Satanic. Also he is a bit brighter, but still requires a teleprompter to keep from sounding like an idiot.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Why? So, you can go run and hide again? Exactly. Shit for brains (mike mkKarthy) can't defend the indefensible - his lying B.S. (cognitive dissonance) is a short and bumpy dead end walk. Of course that's if you believe he holds two counter views in his pea brain at one time. I hold to him knowing EXACTLY what he's doing - that f**king Traitor-whore. mike mkKarthy = The Enemy Within
If it were jorge arbusto and not the Magic Marxist Negro world socialist Obamalamadingdong, shit for brains would be up in arms. He's a deceiver, period. Now he has a green light to run his true colors up the flag pole. ALL of THEM will be held to account.
LOL! Well said, OI!
Halo online. Go get you a 360.
Virtually certain. Fair-rut Mikey is busy trying to convince everyone that he is as big a fool as he appears to be.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ain't amurrrriKa beautiful ?
Come one come all, run the these white honkey trash off and take over.
I grew up close to the tracks, on the up side. All my best friends lived on the OTHER side of said tracks. They were honest, funny, hard working, had yer back and they'd do anything for you. And I for them. A lot of them were blacks and we all hung tight. Nothing came between us, not even different High Schools or nothin'. Something went wrong in amurrrrriKa and it's never been the same.
That one was not my man either, but if you believe the last part of your statement, you are seriously deluded my friend. The fact that you think "These are grownups and are going to try to make it right" (as opposed to bringing what is left all crashing down) is the silliest thing I've ever heard...wait..no I've heard it before...from every leftist (Statist) totalitarian believer in the megalith of TheStateInc. Your voice can be heard daily as the MSM has orgasmic spews of lovelust for the new messiah and his 535 (minus about 10 perhaps) "assitants" in Congress. Your messiah wants to give amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens so they can compete for jobs with MY CHILDREN and everyone else who is out of work...in a Depression no less. I could go on forever in this continued gang rape of Lady Liberty that you think is so peechy keen. Please review the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence that you were told you fought for. Please note which political parties lied to you. Please note which political parties both believe in Fascism and total State control (i.e. the LEFT..not the right...and both parties are indeed left! (The pure right is actually anarchy and total freedom. We want to be a tad to the left of that..but not much...as we USED TO BE!!) WAKE UP!!!!!!! You can't be THAT stupid!! Can you???????
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
hear! hear! great post, Indie.
Aww shucks..thank you..I try. :)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
Probably true to some extent in this forum. In a less hate driven forum. I don't really feel to into racism and pointless scapegoating and hatreds. I'll do a you to me/me to you search and see what sort of take I get on it after the fact. And if I see your criticism has a basis, I'll comment on it.
Got a link, I'm not familiar with any game by that name. I craft and hunt on Planet Calypso, a Project Entropia Universe game by Mind Ark of Sweden. I am the leader of a society and after several years my avatar is really skilled up. I watched my girlfriend play it several months before I joined up and got an avatar, and I wish now I had not been such a party pooper about it from the start. It is a fun game and I enjoy so many players from so many other countries playing. I have a couple of new Chinese disciples - people whom one takes under your wing to teach the game's ropes, and they are fascinating to watch as it gives me insight into them culturally. Let me know if you ever sign up, I'll help you out with a weapon and some armor and a fap/healing kit.
I hate all of you since FR days and no one would team up with me in Midtown Madness.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I live in what's called 'felony flats in Eugene down in the Whiteaker neighborhood, named after Oregon's first territorial governor. It would be anything but 'felony flats' in the rough parts of town where I grew up in Connecticut, but it is a good place with many decent blue collar workers and has a growing problem with gentrification issues. If you are ever in this part of Oregon you are always welcome to stop by. I don't bite, and I bet you are a decent enough sort live and in the flesh, though for obvious reasons I would beg off discussing too much in the way of politics. That topic does not bring out the best in you. It would not bother me to run into you, and you would be surprised how hospitable and nice I can be.
Heh, you mean you actually remember 'ferret' from the good old days? My you are an old timer.
I even know what you look like. Spooky.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
hate driven forum? please give specific examples as to whom and what you are talking about.
It's your forum and you know without my input how some people view some of the content people post here and the bad rap things like racial intolerence generally gets in society is deserved. There are good people here and really good things posted, but if you really do want examples, I remember one instance recently when some really tasteless pictures didn't bother you or many others and many here as if you just don't understand how to be respectful and decent toward others. It is only as big a deal as you want to make it really. This forum is going to be like it is despite anything I say, so I chose to overlook what I feel are really bad views that do hurt decent people who do not deserve it. But I am not in the mood to want to war with anyone about it. I do not like bigotry, and I see it here, and that is my opinion. I am not going to war with anyone over it, nor is it worth even disliking anyone in regards to their love of these pointless wedge issues pushed in forum. What I don't like is the personal attacks and threats from some in here that never let up. And I backed off not because I am driven off, but because I am not into making this forum a source of stress and consternation for you. You are a good person, and I don't see you as someone who hates others merely because of race or other wedge issues. Those that live for that sort of thing I am not into cage rattling contests with, unless I am being ganged up on and persistently attacked. That is what I am not into and why I am fed up. Turtle can spew his intolerance, people can needlessly worry about harmless people like gays and lesbians or whatever, just allow me the same grace to speak my mind and give my two cents worth without trying to play forum terminator to do some virtual ethnic cleansing of the forum. You have worked hard to build this forum and I respect that and I am glad you are happy with this product. And if my disagreeing with how some build their little personal paradigms of reality cause you consternation and piss you off, just say so and I will just post elsewhere. I like you and have no interest with doing battle with you. And you are the host here and have the right to have or not have anyone as part of your virtual community as you see fit. Hope that answers your question.
Wait a minute. Excuse me, Ferret Mike, but is that a snide reference to the fact that I posted analysis by multiple Canadian specialist-physicians, who researched a breadth of medical peer-reviewed journal publications, which demonstrated that the risk for gays engaging in pederasty/pedophilia male on young male sex was 10-20 times that of the general population of heterosexual males? Are the conclusions of MD's with 8-10 years of post graduate education and training something that you believe constitutes "needless worry" about "harmless" people like gays and lesbians? Isn't the safety and welfare of minor children a key responsibility of civilized society in general and of government in particular? Are you implying that posting the analysis by professional physicians, which happens to be contra PC thinking grain, is a negative reflection on 4um? Should posters like myself pretend that this medical finding does not exist so that 4um can be kumbahya with the idea of adult male heterosexuals adopting young boys?
Chris, can you turn on the sign, please?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. If you are ever in this part of Oregon you are always welcome to stop by. I don't bite, and I bet you are a decent enough sort live and in the flesh, though for obvious reasons I would beg off discussing too much in the way of politics. That topic does not bring out the best in you. It would not bother me to run into you, and you would be surprised how hospitable and nice I can be. mikey, not only NO, but "HELL NO !!". First of all, I already know you are a threat to my family, my country and myself. Secondly, the posters of Che would cause me to flip. Finally, I'm sure stalin, mao and hitler had their 'good sides' and as much experience as I have with all different kinds of people, I probably could have found a way to enjoy a sake, wodka or lager with them too. I have no use for the enemy within my country. You're going to have to go find your own, I'm not going to let you have this one. Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution.
Are the conclusions of MD's with 8-10 years of post graduate education and training something that you believe constitutes "needless worry" about "harmless" people like gays and lesbians? Isn't the safety and welfare of minor children a key responsibility of civilized society in general and of government in particular? Are you implying that posting the analysis by professional physicians, which happens to be contra PC thinking grain, is a negative reflection on 4um? Should posters like myself pretend that this medical finding does not exist so that 4um can be kumbahya with the idea of adult male heterosexuals adopting young boys? mikey believes all ideas are equal - facts be damned. They feel and emote. No logic based on truth allowed whatsoever.
Like hell you didn't you fucking Traitor !!!
I missed something when I said that there are two litmus tests for political legitimacy. In addition to being pro-amnesty and pro-Israel, you also have to be a free trader. Anything else might be negotiable. These three bases aren't.
Pedophelia is a crime where the adult preys on the young because they are not able to handle their peers in sexual and othe situations. Their's is a prey preditor situation. It is not readonable nor realistic to blame heterosexuality or homosexuality for this inappropriate sexual behavior.
Oh really? Explain, this should be entertaining.
No, actually I do not believe in fascism, you do. You do not believe a forum should be the lively discourse of discussion on ideas, politics and current events, you believe that the only role a forum should have is to hunt down people whom you do not agree with to destroy them, and any discussion should be a tightly controlled chorus that sings the same ideological song. You are a brown shirt and a wanker with a toxic whine.
So you believe in the First Amendment, just as long as you agree with what is being expressed? Sorry Charlie tuna, but your smell is not that of the rose you contend you are. You are a fascist always enraged over speech and advocacy not endemic to your mindset. My point in that post is somple; I am not at all like you. I will discourse civilly with anyone and treat anyone well despite political differences. Even you after all the hate and bike you expressed and no doubt will express. Your threats and badgering indicate a disire to control and oppress. You show you matter more to yourself then anyone else does. You really should get help for your narcissism. As we have not met and you and I know little real information about each other, the invite will always remain a standing one. You see, I in no way fear you, but you fear me and anyone else who does not conform to your desire to let you control and force conformity. Thanks for sharing, I am well amused.
heh, Oh now critter, stop. It was not a whine, after all, where would a forum be without an ocasional wingnut who's head spins like Linda Blair in the Exorcist when nobody agrees with his or her Al Haig "I am in charge immitation?"
The only difference between Mikey and a Bushbot is that he would shred the Constitution from the left, while supporting a leftist totatlitarian slave state, as opposed to the Bushbot who prefers one that calls itself "Compassionate Conservatism" - while murdering millions. Mikey is just another Mind Controlled drone who thinks that supporting left wing despotism is morally superior to right wing despotism. In other words he is an endless littany of hollow leftwing cliches and psyops taglines that are every bit as Mind Controlled as the moronic Bushbot.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
WAKE UP!!!!!!! You can't be THAT stupid!! Can you??????? After reading his subsequent posts, I think the answer to that question is now obvious.
Are you kidding me? Pederasty/pedophilia are not "blameable"???? Pederasty/pedophilia is not committed by ghosts. Those sexual acts are committed by adult gays and straights against children and teens. Furthermore, pederasty/pedophilia has a very high rate of recidivism regardless of "therapy" and attempts at "rehabilitation." IMO, pederasts/pedophiles should be jailed for life with no chance for parole. Our primary responsibility as a civilized society is to protect minors from harm. Convicted pedophiles/pederasts represent a life-long threat to minors. Consider what happened in the American Catholic Church wherein over 80% of abuse cases involved adult male priests sexually preying on minor-aged male altar boys and parishioners. Do you have any idea about the sheer numbers of youths who had their innocence stolen from them? Here it is for you to ponder while you consider that this inappropriate sexual behavior is blame-free: 10,667. That's a staggering # of minors abused and a comparatively small # of gay priests - 149 - accounted for 28% of the abuse - these 149 gay priests abused almost 3000 victims. And these predators are not "blame-able" in your mind? "An overwhelming majority of the victims, 81 percent, were males. The most vulnerable were boys aged 11 to 14, representing more than 40 percent of the victims." "Slightly more than 3 percent of the accused priests had 10 or more victims and these 149 priests accounted for abuse of 2,960 victims, representing almost 28 percent of the allegations."
Your respect, obeisance, and homage to the enemies of freedom is evident. You don't need to remind us as if it were some great attribute.
Wow, nice hooers on the gal 'Joey' in your signature picture. Do they honk if you squeeze them?
You are still talking about pedophiles, not gays. I also do not condemn heterosexual status because little girls are victimized. I also am not into banning families because so many pedophiles use family status to access young victims. many pedophiles do not care what the gender of their victims. To them it only matters that those they prey on are young and accessible,
Actually, I know people who are quite far on the right whom I enjoy the company of much more then some I know well who are closer by allot politically. I also have rented to right wingers over left wing applicants because their references indicated they were honest and stable. Political orientation is only one small factor to look at when dealing with people, I don't use that as any sort of filter unless someone is really insufferable about their political efficacy.
Adult male sexual predators who sexually abuse male minors are homosexual pederasts/pedophiles. Adult male sexual predators who sexually abuse female minors are heterosexual pederasts/pedophiles. What's so hard for you to understand? Same sex gratification from and abuse of male minors is committed by adult male homosexuals. Heterosexual sexual gratification from and abuse of female minors is committed by adult male heterosexuals.
If the left wingers in the example were black, you'd be violating the law, depending on the state you live in.
The statues you cite no doubt deal with people who would prefer a questionable white applicant with bad credit over a black one with a stellar record, references and financial solvency. If I have a superior candidate for rental who is white, nobody is going to go after me for not renting to someone merely because they are black. Eugene, Oregon does have a city statute against discrimination against gay and lesbians in all areas from housing, employment and socially. But the police do a good job filtering free speech issues out, and you are not going to go to jail merely for using epithets against them, or even in regards to racial and ethnic background status. This is a cute comment in the same spirit of a FReeper grade distortion, but you don't deal with reality with it.
And what are the many who don't care what the gender of a kid is they try to manipulate into a sexual situation? No, pedophilia is a crime that is no useful tool to attack heterosexuality or homosexuality.
Pedophiles/pederasts choose their minor victims based on their own sexual persuasion and proclivities. Where you get this idea that there are "many" pedophiles and pederasts, who "randomly" abuse either sex is beyond me. Perhaps there are a small number of bi-sexual pederasts/pedophiles who can go either way, but the majority of sexual abuse cases involve homo or hetero sexually self-identified adult abusers. And hetero, gay, and bi adults predators who get their sexual rocks off abusing minors are blameable and should be punished with life imprisonment for their unforgivable crimes against the most vulnerable in our society - ie. MINORS - children and teens whom society is charged with protecting from harm.
Probably true to some extent in this forum. In a less hate driven forum FM - Had quite enough of you for one lifetime. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
Well, you know Indie, all I ever got from arguing in some topic was really bad and pointless insults and character assassination. Point of order; when I would argue against homophobia, the first reaction was to aggressively and persistently try to say that I prefer males sexually over women. And when people prove to be so intellectually and dishonest in the realm of those topics in a particular forum, I am not obliged to try to fix something too badly broken for me to have much effect on. I also find many racist threads to be tasteless and so factually in error one needs to worry that one looks like an idiot as they are arguing with real idiots. I avoid stuff to that too closely resembles Storm Front fare as well, and I know when it does because one of the reasons I scan that joint is to see what gets exported from there and where this is done. I am not hardly going to give that stuff a BTTT boost. Spamming is an interesting way to label not posting because you see no point to it. Spamming is posting stuff just to post it, or to try to disrupt. I don't do this, but hey, if I was not clear about any of these points of order in that post you quote from, you can either get clarification, or use your kill file function. IT is solely up to you here to do whichever choice you wish to make. Cheers.
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader, at least none that I can discern. The very fact that he talks about "health care reform" and all it's socialistic permutations moves him light years from the Austrian school of economics and place him as a firm supporter of a command economy.
_________________________________________________________________________ On NAFTA and GATT, BHO has more or less the same positions as Bush and Clinton. All of them favor pro-outsourcing, anti-tarrif trade policies.
The (Ferret Mike) response that you addressed was too far from reality for me to address. I appreciate the fact that you did so, since it saved me from appearing mean spirited for ridiculing Ferret Mike. It's no wonder Obama got elected .... everyone (mostly stupid people) thought he was Ron Paul. [Sarcasm].
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
Me too ... thanks for making this easy.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
I just thought it would be a bit amusing. hehehe
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. On NAFTA and GATT, BHO has more or less the same positions as Bush and Clinton. All of them favor pro-outsourcing, anti-tarrif trade policies. That is a great jpeg. Accurate too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm glad you like it my friend. ...or treat. ahaha
That picture is almost perfect: something about it just doesn't seem kosher for some reason....
_________________________________________________________________________ Dees really gets it.
Kosher edit FTMFW!!!
_________________________________________________________________________ FOFLOL !
Yes, and the $5T in debt he will rack up and pass on to our kids just in the next year is building a better future for them. Mike, get a clue and realize you've been had by the Democrats. They convinced you they were better than the Republicans and lied to you. Wake up.
It is now time for Atlas to shrug.
I wasn't ridiculing him at all. I'm just trying to understand the mentality that supports Ron Paul in one breath and Obama in the next. I can hardly think of anyone who has less in common with Obama in the House or Senate than Ron Paul. Obama and McCain see eye to eye a lot more with each other than EITHER do with Paul. In one post, Mike talks about sound currency and fiscal responsibility. Then in the next paragraph, he says that he supports Obama's economic policies. Sounds like extreme cognitive dissonance to me.
Excellent post, right on target.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I know that you didn't, but I would've. In the end the perps keep us arguing over non-candidates that they supply (s) election after (s)election, and I'm really not interested in fighting any longer with people that simply saw Obaaaaama as a better choice than McCain.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
I didn't realize how bad the disorder was with that one. I feel kind of bad for having exposed his short yellow bus badge. Nahhh. ;-)
What did you "expose" that he did not willingly offer? You are an excellent example of overcompensation for no-one thinking highly of you.
Yeah, anyone who thinks there is any resemblance whatsoever to Ron Paul and that communist, the Obamasiah, just ain't right.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Even the dupes, fools, marks and other assorted mo-rans (that sincerely are NOT world socialists but rather just skeered and ignorant) seem to be realizing what we all knew. Never overestimate the sheeple I say. ;-)
Very wise.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#2. To: Rotara, X-15, Calling all obamatards (#1)
#3. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#4. To: PSUSA (#2)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#5. To: PSUSA (#2)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#6. To: Rotara, X-15 (#4)
#7. To: PSUSA, Rotara (#6)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#8. To: X-15 (#7)
She came right out and said there were more important issues than mexicons running around the interior of America. This country is lost.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#9. To: X-15. Texans (#7)
She came right out and said there were more important issues than mexicons running around the interior of America. This country is lost.
#10. To: Rotara (#3)
#11. To: X-15 (#0)
This week, as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work. (
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#12. To: ferret mike (#10)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#13. To: IndieTX (#11)
as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#14. To: IndieTX (#11)
This week, as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work. (
#15. To: scrapper2 (#14)
What next?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: X-15, Rotara, PSUSA, scrapper2, all (#0)
#17. To: christine (#16)
i only pray that those of us who didn't ask for this are the last ones standing.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#18. To: X-15 (#17)
The last ones standing might be standing with their faces up against a fence in a FEMA "relocation and re-education camp".
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#19. To: X-15, christine, Critter, IndieTX, Rotara, scrapper2, All (#17)
80 million gun-owners would only have to pull their triggers once to get rid of the FedGov and make way for the government our Founding Fathers gave us.
#20. To: X-15 (#0)
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#21. To: Rotara, christine (#12)
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
#23. To: scrapper2 (#14)
I am flabbergasted. This Obama Presidency is worse than I imagined and it's only 6 weeks in. What next?
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
#25. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#21)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#26. To: Old Friend (#24)
You fence sitters should have voted lesser evil.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#27. To: Old Friend (#22)
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
I can't afford to continue paying for socialism. I know I'm not alone.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#29. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#27)
grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#30. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#28)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#31. To: Rotara (#25)
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
#33. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#31)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
#35. To: Old Friend (#34)
#36. To: Jethro Tull, rotata (#35)
You could use a swift kick in your Obama.
#37. To: PSUSA (#19)
80 million gun-owners would only have to pull their triggers once to get rid of the FedGov and make way for the government our Founding Fathers gave us.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#38. To: Old Friend, christine (#34)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
I've already said too much.
#40. To: Rotara (#37)
#41. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#38)
You f**king Traitor. I say after tried you be shot THEN hung ! You knew exactly what you were doing you L-I-A-R. No quarter bitch.
7-9-7
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#42. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#40)
I have a right to be here
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#43. To: Rotara (#42)
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
I have a right to my opinions on things.
#45. To: MUDDOG (#39)
#46. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#43)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#47. To: noone222 (#44)
bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#48. To: noone222 (#44)
#49. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#48)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#50. To: Rotara (#47)
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#52. To: Rotara. old friend (#49)
(Edited)
#53. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#52)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
#55. To: X-15 (#51)
Exactly which "grown-ups" are "trying to repair the damage."?? The ones who are threatening to kill us by confiscating our arms and ammunition to leave us unarmed against Obummers' Final Solution?? The people who voted for Obummer are the juden-rats of the 21st century. Obummer has leaped past Clinton, Bush, Carter, LBJ, FDR, Lincoln, and Wilson to attain the title of Worst President In History. All in less than two months into his so-called "administration".
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#56. To: noone222 (#54)
That has nothing to do with speech and everything to do with theft.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#57. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#50)
(Edited)
People who do not share your opinion are 'deviant?'
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#58. To: X-15 (#51)
#59. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#58)
What I see here is people too afraid to dialog and discuss what you post about.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#60. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#58)
I am merely being used here as a vehicle to talk about a desire to assassinate the president. That much is plainly obvious. Being coy about it and dancing on the edge of the razor blade of discussing revolution and violent over throw of the government is not free speech and open dialog.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#61. To: Rotara (#57)
#62. To: Rotara (#60)
#63. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#61)
I have sworn an Oath to uphold, preserve and protect the U.S. Constitution and take this oath seriously, even though my military service is up.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
I am merely being used here as a vehicle to talk about a desire to assassinate the president.
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
I am merely being used here as a vehicle to talk about a desire to assassinate the president.
#66. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#62)
Can't wait for what? A visit from the Secret Service?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#67. To: Rotara (#66)
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
(Edited)
#69. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
#70. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#67)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#71. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#68)
He would never dare directly threaten, but he can advance his agenda to see the government overthrown and to see Obama removed from office by any means necessary by trying to use me as a surrogate vehicle to advance his agenda, and it is obvious this is what he is up to.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Your feelings and personal thoughts aside, all I want to know is if you saw or read a threat that would require immediate action on the part of the forum owner. I think I read your answer to be no, right? If OTOH, a comment was missed please ID it now. Thanks.
#73. To: noone222 (#72)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#74. To: noone222 (#72)
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#75. To: Rotara (#71)
Where will you be when they merge Mexico and Canada and US together
#76. To: war (#75)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#77. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
but they sure can try to create the climate for insurrection and violent overthrow of the government
#78. To: christine (#77)
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
#79. To: noone222 (#72)
#80. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#67)
Oh great defender of freedom; where will you be when they come for my guns ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#81. To: All (#77)
#82. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
One does not talk of killing all who disagree without feeling the same in regards to those in leadership positions those he wishes dead support.
#83. To: christine (#81)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#84. To: christine (#77)
#85. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#79)
But if I die violently, he has unsured he will be sought and talked to to see if he turned his words to actions.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#86. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#84)
(Edited)
Perhaps something should be neutralized, but it is not the U.S. government.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#87. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#80)
Oh great defender of freedom; where will you be when they come for my guns ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#88. To: noone222 (#82)
#89. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#88)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#90. To: Rotara (#85)
"And if the SS knocks on my door, all bets are off bitch."
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#84)
So you are saying that all those Rotara hates should die then?
#92. To: Rotara (#89)
#93. To: Ferret Mike (#88)
I am just someone he tries to use to advance his agenda of death, hatred and fascist beliefs.
#94. To: christine (#91)
#95. To: christine (#91)
We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#96. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
#97. To: Rotara (#76)
Had the War Between the States been won by the Confederates, the Confederates would have merged with Maximilian's Mexico.
#98. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
and hated because I am not racist
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#99. To: Ferret Mike (#94)
#100. To: noone222 (#93)
(Edited)
#101. To: Cynicom (#99)
#102. To: X-15 (#0)
“And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform
#103. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
(Edited)
No doubt Ron Paul would be a much better man for our time then Obama, but he is not the diabolocal criminal I see painted and dehumanized in here and at FR.
#104. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#105. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#103)
He's certainly no worse (or no better) than Clinton or Bush were, or McCain would have been.
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
He is a smart, talented man who supports much the same thing as Ron Paul, and who is accountable if he fails or errs in what he does.
#107. To: Cynicom (#105)
Sort of like...we have only ONE party...ONE ideology
#108. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#102)
President Obama said: “We’re going to start by really trying to work on how to improve the current [immigration] system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens . . . are able to do it
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#109. To: X-15 (#108)
#110. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#109)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#111. To: Ferret Mike, Rotara, Mikey the Weasel, christine, O'bots, dupes, fools, suckers, rubes, apologists, chronic liars, and other Obama supporters (#10)
Take care, and let me know if you ever really want to debate or discuss anything in earnest.
#112. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#109)
for example, Jim Webb started out as anti-amnesty and in favor of immigration restrictions. After a couple of years in the Senate, he learned to toe the party line.
#113. To: Old Friend (#104)
#114. To: Ferret Mike, Old Friend, Rotara, Mikey the Weasel, O'bots, dupes, fools, suckers, rubes, apologists, chronic liars, and other Obama supporters (#27)
Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
#115. To: Original_Intent, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy, corn flake gurl (#111)
Take care, and let me know if you ever really want to debate or discuss anything in earnest.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#116. To: Original_Intent (#114)
(Edited)
The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#117. To: Original_Intent (#114)
The only difference between O'bam bam and Bush is, uh, errr, ah, O'bam bam is trying bugger us faster.
#118. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
#119. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#116)
If it were jorge arbusto and not the Magic Marxist Negro world socialist Obamalamadingdong, shit for brains would be up in arms.
#120. To: scrapper2 (#117)
#121. To: Original_Intent (#119)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#122. To: Rotara (#121)
#123. To: Cynicom (#122)
Come one come all, run the these white honkey trash off and take over.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#124. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#27)
(Edited)
Sorry, but Bush, the one you speak of is not my man. Also, he is now out of office, and grown-ups are now trying to repair the damage.
Your messiah and his assistants want to make slaves out of my children forcing them into government servitude in the form of slave labor and/or a draft.
Your messiah and his assistants wants to remove guns and ammo from our hands and even tag the ammo.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#125. To: IndieTX (#124)
(The pure right is actually anarchy and total freedom. We want to be a tad to the left of that..but not much...as we USED TO BE!!)
#126. To: christine (#125)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#127. To: Original_Intent (#111)
"The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought."
#128. To: Old Friend (#118)
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#128)
#130. To: Rotara (#123)
#131. To: Dakmar (#129)
#132. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
#133. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#134. To: christine (#133)
#135. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#134)
(Edited)
people can needlessly worry about harmless people like gays and lesbians or whatever,
#136. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara (#94)
I did not start this, Rotara did.
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#137. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#130)
I live in what's called 'felony flats in Eugene down in the Whiteaker neighborhood, named after Oregon's first territorial governor. It would be anything but 'felony flats' in the rough parts of town where I grew up in Connecticut, but it is a good place with many decent blue collar workers and has a growing problem with gentrification issues.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#138. To: scrapper2 (#135)
Wait a minute. Excuse me, Ferret Mike, but is that a snide reference to the fact that I posted analysis by multiple Canadian specialist-physicians, who researched a breadth of medical peer-reviewed journal publications, which demonstrated that the risk for gays engaging in pederasty/pedophilia male on young male sex was 10-20 times that of the general population of heterosexual males?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#139. To: Critter, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#136)
I did not start this
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#140. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#112)
#141. To: scrapper2 (#135)
#142. To: Rotara (#139)
"Like hell you didn't you fucking Traitor !!!"
#143. To: Rotara (#138)
#144. To: Rotara (#137)
"Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution."
#145. To: Critter (#136)
#146. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike, all (#137)
Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution.
#147. To: IndieTX (#124)
To: Ferret Mike
#148. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
It is not readonable nor realistic to blame heterosexuality or homosexuality for this inappropriate sexual behavior.
#149. To: Ferret Mike (#144)
I will discourse civilly with anyone and treat anyone well despite political differences.
#150. To: KinkoTheKlown (#149)
#151. To: scrapper2 (#148)
#152. To: Original_Intent (#146)
#153. To: Ferret Mike (#151)
You are still talking about pedophiles, not gays. I also do not condemn heterosexual status because little girls are victimized.
#154. To: Ferret Mike (#152)
I also have rented to right wingers over left wing applicants because their references indicated they were honest and stable.
#155. To: Hagee (#154)
#156. To: scrapper2 (#153)
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#156)
(Edited)
And what are the many who don't care what the gender of a kid is they try to manipulate into a sexual situation?
#158. To: Ferret Mike, christine, original_intent, all (#127)
(Edited)
The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought."
You just admitted you're a spamming little s**t.
Why should we waste our time reading your disingenuous pablum then
or even discussing things with you?
I, for one, will not do so any longer..
Good riddance. 
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#159. To: IndieTX (#158)
#160. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#140)
In addition to being pro-amnesty and pro-Israel, you also have to be a free trader.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#161. To: X-15 (#160)
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader,
#162. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#103)
I can't understand how anybody who agrees with Ron Paul on the core issues could be an Obama supporter.
#163. To: IndieTX (#158)
I, for one, will not do so any longer.. Good riddance.
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#145)
heh, Oh now critter, stop. It was not a whine,
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#165. To: Rupert_Pupkin, X-15, Twenty Twelve, Original_Intent, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy, ALL Amnesty Loving NAU Globalist NEOCON NEOCOMMIE world socialist UN-loving Bots, you know who u r, *North American Union*, *Obama Reality Check*, *Constitution (#161)
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#166. To: Rotara (#165)
Lord Acton
#167. To: James Deffenbach (#166)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#168. To: Rotara (#165)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#169. To: X-15 (#168)
That picture is almost perfect
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#170. To: Rotara (#169)
Dees really gets it from Abraham Foxman at least once a week.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#171. To: X-15 (#170)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#172. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
My support for Obama only goes as far as his supporting the truth and understanding and working for a better future for our kids goes.
#173. To: noone222, Ferret Mike (#162)
The (Ferret Mike) response that you addressed was too far from reality for me to address. I appreciate the fact that you did so, since it saved me from appearing mean spirited for ridiculing Ferret Mike.
#174. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#173)
Lord Acton
#175. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#173)
I wasn't ridiculing him at all.
#176. To: Rupert_Pupkin, James Deffenbach (#173)
Sounds like extreme cognitive dissonance to me.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#177. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#176)
I feel kind of bad for having exposed his short yellow bus badge.
#178. To: Rotara (#176)
I didn't realize how bad the disorder was with that one.
Lord Acton
#179. To: James Deffenbach (#178)
Yeah, anyone who thinks there is any resemblance whatsoever to Ron Paul and that communist, the Obamasiah, just ain't right.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#180. To: Rotara (#179)
Never overestimate the sheeple I say.
Lord Acton
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