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Title: Despite High Unemployment, Obama Puts Amnesty on the Agenda
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URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pa ... urity=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1721#1
Published: Feb 23, 2009
Author: FAIR
Post Date: 2009-02-25 12:26:01 by X-15
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Views: 2167
Comments: 180
This week, as a guest on a Spanish language radio show, President Obama stated his continued support for giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, which would force Americans looking for a job to compete with amnestied aliens for work. (El Piolin Interview, February 18, 2009 and CBS4—South Florida). During the radio interview, President Obama said: “We’re going to start by really trying to work on how to improve the current [immigration] system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens . . . are able to do it; that it’s cheaper, that it’s faster, that they have an easier time in terms of sponsoring family members.” Following that, President Obama acknowledged what legal American workers already know intuitively—that amnesty is not in their best interest—but then endorsed amnesty anyway. President Obama said: “And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform. . . . Politically it’s going to be tough. It’s probably tougher now than it was, partly because of the fact that the economy has gotten worse.” (El Piolin). According to the U.S. Department of Labor, over 11.6 million Americans are currently unemployed and the number of unemployed Americans has increased by 4.1 million over the past year. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2009). Millions more have simply stopped looking for work. Just last month, 598,000 Americans lost their jobs. Particularly troubling among the unemployment data is the fact that certain minorities such as African-Americans are experiencing greater unemployment (12.6 percent) than the nation as a whole. President Obama also said his staff was working on amnesty already, stating: “we’ve got some wonderful people on my White House staff who are working on this issue on an ongoing basis.” Earlier this week, open-borders advocates suggested that they expect that Congress will debate amnesty legislation in the fall of 2009. (NDN, February 20, 2009). Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s director of Hispanic media has confirmed the likely timing for debate as well. (O Jornal, January 30, 2009).
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#129. To: Ferret Mike (#128)
I hate all of you since FR days and no one would team up with me in Midtown Madness.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I live in what's called 'felony flats in Eugene down in the Whiteaker neighborhood, named after Oregon's first territorial governor. It would be anything but 'felony flats' in the rough parts of town where I grew up in Connecticut, but it is a good place with many decent blue collar workers and has a growing problem with gentrification issues. If you are ever in this part of Oregon you are always welcome to stop by. I don't bite, and I bet you are a decent enough sort live and in the flesh, though for obvious reasons I would beg off discussing too much in the way of politics. That topic does not bring out the best in you. It would not bother me to run into you, and you would be surprised how hospitable and nice I can be.
Heh, you mean you actually remember 'ferret' from the good old days? My you are an old timer.
I even know what you look like. Spooky.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
hate driven forum? please give specific examples as to whom and what you are talking about.
It's your forum and you know without my input how some people view some of the content people post here and the bad rap things like racial intolerence generally gets in society is deserved. There are good people here and really good things posted, but if you really do want examples, I remember one instance recently when some really tasteless pictures didn't bother you or many others and many here as if you just don't understand how to be respectful and decent toward others. It is only as big a deal as you want to make it really. This forum is going to be like it is despite anything I say, so I chose to overlook what I feel are really bad views that do hurt decent people who do not deserve it. But I am not in the mood to want to war with anyone about it. I do not like bigotry, and I see it here, and that is my opinion. I am not going to war with anyone over it, nor is it worth even disliking anyone in regards to their love of these pointless wedge issues pushed in forum. What I don't like is the personal attacks and threats from some in here that never let up. And I backed off not because I am driven off, but because I am not into making this forum a source of stress and consternation for you. You are a good person, and I don't see you as someone who hates others merely because of race or other wedge issues. Those that live for that sort of thing I am not into cage rattling contests with, unless I am being ganged up on and persistently attacked. That is what I am not into and why I am fed up. Turtle can spew his intolerance, people can needlessly worry about harmless people like gays and lesbians or whatever, just allow me the same grace to speak my mind and give my two cents worth without trying to play forum terminator to do some virtual ethnic cleansing of the forum. You have worked hard to build this forum and I respect that and I am glad you are happy with this product. And if my disagreeing with how some build their little personal paradigms of reality cause you consternation and piss you off, just say so and I will just post elsewhere. I like you and have no interest with doing battle with you. And you are the host here and have the right to have or not have anyone as part of your virtual community as you see fit. Hope that answers your question.
Wait a minute. Excuse me, Ferret Mike, but is that a snide reference to the fact that I posted analysis by multiple Canadian specialist-physicians, who researched a breadth of medical peer-reviewed journal publications, which demonstrated that the risk for gays engaging in pederasty/pedophilia male on young male sex was 10-20 times that of the general population of heterosexual males? Are the conclusions of MD's with 8-10 years of post graduate education and training something that you believe constitutes "needless worry" about "harmless" people like gays and lesbians? Isn't the safety and welfare of minor children a key responsibility of civilized society in general and of government in particular? Are you implying that posting the analysis by professional physicians, which happens to be contra PC thinking grain, is a negative reflection on 4um? Should posters like myself pretend that this medical finding does not exist so that 4um can be kumbahya with the idea of adult male heterosexuals adopting young boys?
Chris, can you turn on the sign, please?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. If you are ever in this part of Oregon you are always welcome to stop by. I don't bite, and I bet you are a decent enough sort live and in the flesh, though for obvious reasons I would beg off discussing too much in the way of politics. That topic does not bring out the best in you. It would not bother me to run into you, and you would be surprised how hospitable and nice I can be. mikey, not only NO, but "HELL NO !!". First of all, I already know you are a threat to my family, my country and myself. Secondly, the posters of Che would cause me to flip. Finally, I'm sure stalin, mao and hitler had their 'good sides' and as much experience as I have with all different kinds of people, I probably could have found a way to enjoy a sake, wodka or lager with them too. I have no use for the enemy within my country. You're going to have to go find your own, I'm not going to let you have this one. Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution.
Are the conclusions of MD's with 8-10 years of post graduate education and training something that you believe constitutes "needless worry" about "harmless" people like gays and lesbians? Isn't the safety and welfare of minor children a key responsibility of civilized society in general and of government in particular? Are you implying that posting the analysis by professional physicians, which happens to be contra PC thinking grain, is a negative reflection on 4um? Should posters like myself pretend that this medical finding does not exist so that 4um can be kumbahya with the idea of adult male heterosexuals adopting young boys? mikey believes all ideas are equal - facts be damned. They feel and emote. No logic based on truth allowed whatsoever.
Like hell you didn't you fucking Traitor !!!
I missed something when I said that there are two litmus tests for political legitimacy. In addition to being pro-amnesty and pro-Israel, you also have to be a free trader. Anything else might be negotiable. These three bases aren't.
Pedophelia is a crime where the adult preys on the young because they are not able to handle their peers in sexual and othe situations. Their's is a prey preditor situation. It is not readonable nor realistic to blame heterosexuality or homosexuality for this inappropriate sexual behavior.
Oh really? Explain, this should be entertaining.
No, actually I do not believe in fascism, you do. You do not believe a forum should be the lively discourse of discussion on ideas, politics and current events, you believe that the only role a forum should have is to hunt down people whom you do not agree with to destroy them, and any discussion should be a tightly controlled chorus that sings the same ideological song. You are a brown shirt and a wanker with a toxic whine.
So you believe in the First Amendment, just as long as you agree with what is being expressed? Sorry Charlie tuna, but your smell is not that of the rose you contend you are. You are a fascist always enraged over speech and advocacy not endemic to your mindset. My point in that post is somple; I am not at all like you. I will discourse civilly with anyone and treat anyone well despite political differences. Even you after all the hate and bike you expressed and no doubt will express. Your threats and badgering indicate a disire to control and oppress. You show you matter more to yourself then anyone else does. You really should get help for your narcissism. As we have not met and you and I know little real information about each other, the invite will always remain a standing one. You see, I in no way fear you, but you fear me and anyone else who does not conform to your desire to let you control and force conformity. Thanks for sharing, I am well amused.
heh, Oh now critter, stop. It was not a whine, after all, where would a forum be without an ocasional wingnut who's head spins like Linda Blair in the Exorcist when nobody agrees with his or her Al Haig "I am in charge immitation?"
The only difference between Mikey and a Bushbot is that he would shred the Constitution from the left, while supporting a leftist totatlitarian slave state, as opposed to the Bushbot who prefers one that calls itself "Compassionate Conservatism" - while murdering millions. Mikey is just another Mind Controlled drone who thinks that supporting left wing despotism is morally superior to right wing despotism. In other words he is an endless littany of hollow leftwing cliches and psyops taglines that are every bit as Mind Controlled as the moronic Bushbot.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
WAKE UP!!!!!!! You can't be THAT stupid!! Can you??????? After reading his subsequent posts, I think the answer to that question is now obvious.
Are you kidding me? Pederasty/pedophilia are not "blameable"???? Pederasty/pedophilia is not committed by ghosts. Those sexual acts are committed by adult gays and straights against children and teens. Furthermore, pederasty/pedophilia has a very high rate of recidivism regardless of "therapy" and attempts at "rehabilitation." IMO, pederasts/pedophiles should be jailed for life with no chance for parole. Our primary responsibility as a civilized society is to protect minors from harm. Convicted pedophiles/pederasts represent a life-long threat to minors. Consider what happened in the American Catholic Church wherein over 80% of abuse cases involved adult male priests sexually preying on minor-aged male altar boys and parishioners. Do you have any idea about the sheer numbers of youths who had their innocence stolen from them? Here it is for you to ponder while you consider that this inappropriate sexual behavior is blame-free: 10,667. That's a staggering # of minors abused and a comparatively small # of gay priests - 149 - accounted for 28% of the abuse - these 149 gay priests abused almost 3000 victims. And these predators are not "blame-able" in your mind? "An overwhelming majority of the victims, 81 percent, were males. The most vulnerable were boys aged 11 to 14, representing more than 40 percent of the victims." "Slightly more than 3 percent of the accused priests had 10 or more victims and these 149 priests accounted for abuse of 2,960 victims, representing almost 28 percent of the allegations."
Your respect, obeisance, and homage to the enemies of freedom is evident. You don't need to remind us as if it were some great attribute.
Wow, nice hooers on the gal 'Joey' in your signature picture. Do they honk if you squeeze them?
You are still talking about pedophiles, not gays. I also do not condemn heterosexual status because little girls are victimized. I also am not into banning families because so many pedophiles use family status to access young victims. many pedophiles do not care what the gender of their victims. To them it only matters that those they prey on are young and accessible,
Actually, I know people who are quite far on the right whom I enjoy the company of much more then some I know well who are closer by allot politically. I also have rented to right wingers over left wing applicants because their references indicated they were honest and stable. Political orientation is only one small factor to look at when dealing with people, I don't use that as any sort of filter unless someone is really insufferable about their political efficacy.
Adult male sexual predators who sexually abuse male minors are homosexual pederasts/pedophiles. Adult male sexual predators who sexually abuse female minors are heterosexual pederasts/pedophiles. What's so hard for you to understand? Same sex gratification from and abuse of male minors is committed by adult male homosexuals. Heterosexual sexual gratification from and abuse of female minors is committed by adult male heterosexuals.
If the left wingers in the example were black, you'd be violating the law, depending on the state you live in.
The statues you cite no doubt deal with people who would prefer a questionable white applicant with bad credit over a black one with a stellar record, references and financial solvency. If I have a superior candidate for rental who is white, nobody is going to go after me for not renting to someone merely because they are black. Eugene, Oregon does have a city statute against discrimination against gay and lesbians in all areas from housing, employment and socially. But the police do a good job filtering free speech issues out, and you are not going to go to jail merely for using epithets against them, or even in regards to racial and ethnic background status. This is a cute comment in the same spirit of a FReeper grade distortion, but you don't deal with reality with it.
And what are the many who don't care what the gender of a kid is they try to manipulate into a sexual situation? No, pedophilia is a crime that is no useful tool to attack heterosexuality or homosexuality.
Pedophiles/pederasts choose their minor victims based on their own sexual persuasion and proclivities. Where you get this idea that there are "many" pedophiles and pederasts, who "randomly" abuse either sex is beyond me. Perhaps there are a small number of bi-sexual pederasts/pedophiles who can go either way, but the majority of sexual abuse cases involve homo or hetero sexually self-identified adult abusers. And hetero, gay, and bi adults predators who get their sexual rocks off abusing minors are blameable and should be punished with life imprisonment for their unforgivable crimes against the most vulnerable in our society - ie. MINORS - children and teens whom society is charged with protecting from harm.
Probably true to some extent in this forum. In a less hate driven forum FM - Had quite enough of you for one lifetime. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
Well, you know Indie, all I ever got from arguing in some topic was really bad and pointless insults and character assassination. Point of order; when I would argue against homophobia, the first reaction was to aggressively and persistently try to say that I prefer males sexually over women. And when people prove to be so intellectually and dishonest in the realm of those topics in a particular forum, I am not obliged to try to fix something too badly broken for me to have much effect on. I also find many racist threads to be tasteless and so factually in error one needs to worry that one looks like an idiot as they are arguing with real idiots. I avoid stuff to that too closely resembles Storm Front fare as well, and I know when it does because one of the reasons I scan that joint is to see what gets exported from there and where this is done. I am not hardly going to give that stuff a BTTT boost. Spamming is an interesting way to label not posting because you see no point to it. Spamming is posting stuff just to post it, or to try to disrupt. I don't do this, but hey, if I was not clear about any of these points of order in that post you quote from, you can either get clarification, or use your kill file function. IT is solely up to you here to do whichever choice you wish to make. Cheers.
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader, at least none that I can discern. The very fact that he talks about "health care reform" and all it's socialistic permutations moves him light years from the Austrian school of economics and place him as a firm supporter of a command economy.
_________________________________________________________________________ On NAFTA and GATT, BHO has more or less the same positions as Bush and Clinton. All of them favor pro-outsourcing, anti-tarrif trade policies.
The (Ferret Mike) response that you addressed was too far from reality for me to address. I appreciate the fact that you did so, since it saved me from appearing mean spirited for ridiculing Ferret Mike. It's no wonder Obama got elected .... everyone (mostly stupid people) thought he was Ron Paul. [Sarcasm].
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
Me too ... thanks for making this easy.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. General Smedley Butler
I just thought it would be a bit amusing. hehehe
Make awkward sexual advances, not war. On NAFTA and GATT, BHO has more or less the same positions as Bush and Clinton. All of them favor pro-outsourcing, anti-tarrif trade policies. That is a great jpeg. Accurate too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm glad you like it my friend. ...or treat. ahaha
That picture is almost perfect: something about it just doesn't seem kosher for some reason....
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#130. To: Rotara (#123)
#131. To: Dakmar (#129)
#132. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
#133. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#134. To: christine (#133)
#135. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#134)
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people can needlessly worry about harmless people like gays and lesbians or whatever,
#136. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara (#94)
I did not start this, Rotara did.
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#137. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#130)
I live in what's called 'felony flats in Eugene down in the Whiteaker neighborhood, named after Oregon's first territorial governor. It would be anything but 'felony flats' in the rough parts of town where I grew up in Connecticut, but it is a good place with many decent blue collar workers and has a growing problem with gentrification issues.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#138. To: scrapper2 (#135)
Wait a minute. Excuse me, Ferret Mike, but is that a snide reference to the fact that I posted analysis by multiple Canadian specialist-physicians, who researched a breadth of medical peer-reviewed journal publications, which demonstrated that the risk for gays engaging in pederasty/pedophilia male on young male sex was 10-20 times that of the general population of heterosexual males?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#139. To: Critter, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy (#136)
I did not start this
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#140. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#112)
#141. To: scrapper2 (#135)
#142. To: Rotara (#139)
"Like hell you didn't you fucking Traitor !!!"
#143. To: Rotara (#138)
#144. To: Rotara (#137)
"Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution."
#145. To: Critter (#136)
#146. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike, all (#137)
Your ideas are not equal to mine. I follow the Constitution.
#147. To: IndieTX (#124)
To: Ferret Mike
#148. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
It is not readonable nor realistic to blame heterosexuality or homosexuality for this inappropriate sexual behavior.
#149. To: Ferret Mike (#144)
I will discourse civilly with anyone and treat anyone well despite political differences.
#150. To: KinkoTheKlown (#149)
#151. To: scrapper2 (#148)
#152. To: Original_Intent (#146)
#153. To: Ferret Mike (#151)
You are still talking about pedophiles, not gays. I also do not condemn heterosexual status because little girls are victimized.
#154. To: Ferret Mike (#152)
I also have rented to right wingers over left wing applicants because their references indicated they were honest and stable.
#155. To: Hagee (#154)
#156. To: scrapper2 (#153)
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#156)
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And what are the many who don't care what the gender of a kid is they try to manipulate into a sexual situation?
#158. To: Ferret Mike, christine, original_intent, all (#127)
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The reality is that you have no interest in debate, or even rational thought."
You just admitted you're a spamming little s**t.
Why should we waste our time reading your disingenuous pablum then
or even discussing things with you?
I, for one, will not do so any longer..
Good riddance. 
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#159. To: IndieTX (#158)
#160. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#140)
In addition to being pro-amnesty and pro-Israel, you also have to be a free trader.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#161. To: X-15 (#160)
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader,
#162. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#103)
I can't understand how anybody who agrees with Ron Paul on the core issues could be an Obama supporter.
#163. To: IndieTX (#158)
I, for one, will not do so any longer.. Good riddance.
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#145)
heh, Oh now critter, stop. It was not a whine,
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#165. To: Rupert_Pupkin, X-15, Twenty Twelve, Original_Intent, ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE, mike mkKarthy, ALL Amnesty Loving NAU Globalist NEOCON NEOCOMMIE world socialist UN-loving Bots, you know who u r, *North American Union*, *Obama Reality Check*, *Constitution (#161)
Obummer does not exhibit any characteristics of being a free trader
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#166. To: Rotara (#165)
Lord Acton
#167. To: James Deffenbach (#166)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#168. To: Rotara (#165)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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