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Title: Why Jehovah's Witnesses Shun PeopleIs Disfellowshipping A Christian Practice? (Disfellowship - A Hybrid and Loaded Word)
Source: knol.google.com
URL Source: http://knol.google.com/k/paul-morri ... s-shun-people/290ks3g12r97j/3#
Published: Feb 27, 2009
Author: Paul Morrison
Post Date: 2009-02-27 22:32:12 by Coral Snake
Keywords: Jehovah, Disfellowshipping, Shunning
Views: 529
Comments: 42

Disfellowship - A Hybrid and Loaded Word

For context about 1% of Jehovah’s Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year; about 70,000 per annum. Two out of three are never reinstated. Along with those that have simply stopped attending the group meetings, likely there are millions of disfellowshipped and disassociated ex-Jehovah's Witnesses in the community. Being disfellowshipped frequently results in emotional side effects. Those that continue to believe Watchtower doctrine are told that, whilst disfellowshipped, they are condemned to everlasting destruction. Those who become unbelievers, with no intention of returning to the Watchtower Society, realize they are unlikely to freely associate with Witness family and friends for the remainder of their lives.

“Disfellowship” and its derivatives do not appear in the Bible. The Watchtower Society has taken several Scriptures and hybridized a belief. They have wrapped a complex series of concepts into one word. If an active Jehovah’s Witness hears ‘xxxx has been disfellowshipped’ those four or five words communicate the following thoughts:

xxxx has done something really bad, probably salacious, as the Witnesses are frequently reminded the vast majority of disfellowshippings are for some sort of sexual sin xxxx has not been repentant, or at least not been able to demonstrate that to a sufficient degree for the Judicial Committee that make the secret judgment xxxx has been cast out and never to be spoken to again, unless he can prove repentance to another secret Judicial Committee and resume activity as a Jehovah’s Witness xxxx will be destroyed ‘soon’ by Jehovah at Armageddon unless he can prove repentance to another Judicial Committee and resume activity as a Jehovah’s Witness All neatly wrapped up in one word – disfellowshipped. The subject of ‘loaded language’ and how it is employed by high control groups deserves its own Knol. The Watchtower Society decrees disfellowshiping for situations never discussed in the Bible such as smoking, gambling, taking a prohibited blood fraction or donating to the blood supply. Further, the refusal to shun one so disfellowshipped is in itself grounds for disfellowshipping and is thus extended as a second generation punishment to prevent family members associating with disfellowshipped relatives. Unbaptized minor children of disfellowshipped ones are usually caught up in the crossfire - my pre-school boys are being shunned by my brother and his wife, and effectively shunned by my mother - an occasional postcard from her to them is allowable to her conscience.

The punishment applies forever, or until the Watchtower Society formally reinstates the person. It is considered irrelevant whether the person no longer practices the 'wrongdoing' they were disfellowshipped for. In the case of conscientious disagreement a pardon or apology is not granted should the Watchtower Society subsequently change its view on the matter to that which you were expelled for holding. Repentance is indicated by full attendance at Watchtower Society meetings for an indeterminate period of months or maybe years in extreme cases, all the while being methodically shunned by other group members. In this sense it is a deterrent control mechanism on existing members and a punitive measure against the shunned one.

The Watchtower Society application of disfellowshipping is one of the more extreme even for fringe Christianity and emulates behavioral characteristics common amongst high control groups. Perhaps only the Amish impose this punishment with more destructive effects, due to their physically isolated closed community.

The Watchtower 1981 September 15 p.22 explains the hybrid concept:

""disfellowshipping" is what Jehovah’s Witnesses appropriately call the expelling and subsequent shunning of such an unrepentant wrongdoer. ... a simple "Hello" to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshipped person?"

Back in the less forgiving 1950’s the tone of the instruction was somewhat less cordial. This Watchtower was devoted to delivering clear guidelines on updated Watchtower disfellowship policy, clarifying what was to become an ever increasing list of offenses:

“Well, the reason for disfellowshipping is that some persons get into this congregation of God that do not love Christ. … Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say ‘Hello’ or ‘Goodbye’ to him. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him. … Such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of God. He should go back to the wicked group that he once came from and die with that wicked group with Satan’s organization.” - Watchtower 1952 March 1 pp.131,134

Interestingly disfellowshipping as a punishment even extends beyond death. So when I die in a disfellowshipped state, which I will, former friends and Jehovah's Witness family already have written instruction on why they shouldn't attend my funeral.

"We never want to give the impression to outsiders that a disfellowshiped person was acceptable in the congregation when in truth and in fact he was not acceptable but had been disfellowshiped from it." Questions from Readers - Watchtower 1961 p.544

"… A Christian congregation would not want its good name besmirched by having it associated with any to whom 2 John 9, 10 applied, even in their death." Watchtower 1977 June 1 p. 347 Mourning and Funerals - For Whom?

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#2. To: Coral Snake, PSUSA (#0)

For context about 1% of Jehovah’s Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year; about 70,000 per annum.

Actually, the figure is about 40,000. And to state that there are millions of such is a deliberate lie when the total of Jehovah's Witnesses world wide is known to be just over 7,000,000.

So, congrats on spreading deliberate lies again.

As to disfellowshipping, I absolutely agree with it.

1 Peter 5:1 Therefore, to the older men among YOU I give this exhortation, for I too am an older man with [them] and a witness of the sufferings of the Christ, a sharer even of the glory that is to be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care ...

Galatians 6:1 Brothers, even though a man takes some false step before he is aware of it, YOU who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness, as you each keep an eye on yourself, for fear you also may be tempted.

Titus 3:9 But shun foolish questionings and genealogies and strife and fights over the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. 10 As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition; 11 knowing that such a man has been turned out of the way and is sinning, he being self-condemned.

1 Timothy 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience, which some have thrust aside and have experienced shipwreck concerning [their] faith. 20 Hy·me·nae82;us and Alexander belong to these, and I have handed them over to Satan that they may be taught by discipline not to blaspheme.

All of you talk about how neccessary it is to clean up the nation, get rid of the criminals and deceivers and false freedom lovers..... but you are liars and hypocrits because when you find an organization that does exactly that -- and works diligently to keep itself clean ACCORDING TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES, you can do nothing but find fault with them.

1 Corinthians 5:1 5 Actually fornication is reported among YOU, and such fornication as is not even among the nations, that a wife a certain [man] has of [his] father. 2 And are YOU puffed up, and did YOU not rather mourn, in order that the man that committed this deed should be taken away from YOUR midst? 3 I for one, although absent in body but present in spirit, have certainly judged already, as if I were present, the man who has worked in such a way as this, 4 that in the name of our Lord Jesus, when YOU are gathered together, also my spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 YOU hand such a man over to Satan

And to continue; this is what it is all about; 1 Corintians 1:12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

If there be anyone who does not understand this, fine, and if there be those who understand and do not agree, get thee away from me, Satan.

And just for clarification, I will point out that there is always a method whereby disfellowshipped can be readmitted to the Congregation, and many are each year. Included in this is visits by the Congregation elders with each every year, unless such is refused. As a free will choice, each disfellowshipped individual must make their own decision as to what course they are to take.

The Christian Congregation. The Christian congregation, while having no secular authority as a court, may take action against disorderly members who require spiritual discipline, and it can even expel them from the congregation. Therefore, the apostle Paul tells the congregation that they, that is, the representative members thereof, those having oversight, must judge those inside the organization. (1Co 5:12, 13) In writing to congregations and to overseers both Paul and Peter point out that the elders should keep a close watch on the congregation’s spiritual condition and should assist and admonish anyone who is taking an unwise or wrong step. (2Ti 4:2; 1Pe 5:1, 2; compare Ga 6:1.) Those who are causing divisions or sects are to be warned a first and a second time before congregational action is taken. (Tit 3:10, 11) But insistent practicers of sin are to be removed, expelled from the congregation. This constitutes discipline, showing to the offenders that their course of sin cannot be tolerated in the congregation. (1Ti 1:20) Paul instructs those men in the congregation having the responsibility to act as judges to gather together to hear such a matter. (1Co 5:1-5; 6:1-5) They are to accept the accusation as true only when there are two or three witnesses, weighing the evidence without prejudgment, doing nothing according to a biased leaning.—1Ti 5:19, 21.

Jesus commanded his disciples that if one sinned against another, efforts should first be made to settle the matter personally between themselves. If these efforts failed and the issue was of a serious nature, they should take it to the congregation for settlement (that is, to those appointed to responsible positions in governing the congregation). Paul later admonished Christians to settle difficulties in this manner and not to be taking one another before worldly courts.—Mt 18:15-17; 1Co 6:1-8

richard9151  posted on  2009-02-28   12:16:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#2)

All of you talk about how neccessary it is to clean up the nation, get rid of the criminals and deceivers and false freedom lovers..... but you are liars and hypocrits because when you find an organization that does exactly that -- and works diligently to keep itself clean ACCORDING TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES, you can do nothing but find fault with them.

Liars and hypocrites, huh?

It's not my .org, so I could care less what you people do to keep yourselves "pure". Just so force is not used and no one gets hurt. But how pure are the JW? One thing I have learned is that those that claim to be so very pure are some of the filthiest people out there.

Hey, I am a sinner. I was born one and I'll die one. That is the way I was made. I hate it, but Paul had something profound to say about doing what we hate, and not doing as we know we should. So I am sure I'd be "disfellowshipped" by JW. I am not as "pure" as you. Perhaps you are stronger than Paul.

2 Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care ... etc. etc. etc.

You're assuming you are in the flock. You are assuming that your "shepherds" are genuine.

You have taken great pains to show how often you study the Bible and discuss this among yourselves. Do you then have to be real careful to only discuss this ONLY in context of JW "teachings"? Or if you get too inquisitive do they kick you to the curb? Do they then accuse you of "Those who are causing divisions or sects"? Those are rhetorical questions.

You really need to get up a lot earlier in the morning if you are going to try and fool me.

You also need to be real careful of those chosen "leaders" that have the power to throw people out. Even though they are doing that person a huge favor, it can still cause damage.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-28   12:57:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA, Rotara, Coral Snake (#4)

2 Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care ... etc. etc. etc.

You're assuming you are in the flock.

You need to learn how to read. It does not refer to one flock. It specifically says; Shepard the flock of God in YOUR care....

Do you meed me to break down the difference for you?

That specifically puts the burden on ANYONE ANYWHERE that is purporting to SHEPARD any flock that claims to worship the True Almighty God. If this had been carefully learned and followed, THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A HOMOSEXUAL MINISTER OR MARRIAGE IN ANY SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION ANYWHERE!! Get the difference?

You have absolutely no personal knowledge of the Witnesses nor what they do. You rely ONLY on what others say or post, and then agree with them. You go so far that YOU FAIL TO TRY AND HELP THOSE WHO ADHERE TO NON-SCRIPTURAL TEACHINGS JUST SO YOU CAN SLAM THE WITNESSES.

I have yet to see you attempt, in any way, manner, shape or form, to help anyone shed the trinity, hell, immortal soul or other teachings. Instead, all you are interested in doing is diving into any post I make and explain to everyone who will listen how little I understand..... And how bad are the teachings of the Witnesses. Thus, as I have stated several times, confirming to everyone who reads what you post that they are absolutely correct in holding to their beliefs. Congrats.

And all this while you try and argue with me about your beliefs in predestination. Fasinating, I must admit, but basically, child like in your denial of the message in the Bible.

And now, once again, you are doing it again, seeking favor with other posters in order to slam the Witnesses, of which you have no personal knowledge.

Which, I might add, I do have.

Now, I am going to state this one more time; I am a new Witness. I did not convert to their way of thinking; I simply found that which I knew, through my faith in Almighty God, must exist. A group with which I could congregate and which strickly followed the teachings of the Bible. A group which would fulfill His Purposes on this earth, as revealed in Prophecy.

You, on the other hand, have no such faith in Jehovah God, as you have stated a number of times that such a group CAN NOT exist.

Have the Witnesses made errors? Oh, yes, which is exactly what I would expect to see from a group that has come out of Christendom as they shed more and more of the beliefs promoted by Christendom. For example, it took until 1926 before they stopped celebrating Xmas, finally realizing what exactly was involved.

But they continue to learn, and correct what they had in error. I admire that. Please point out to me ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION THAT DOES LIKEWISE.

The other part of this is that this is the only organization that explained the Bible to me exactly as I understood it, BUT also knew more about the subject than I did! Since I knew that I did not have nearly enough understanding, that was important. Joining with the Witnesses was just like coming home!!

That is why I started going to the meetings, and was baptized 5 months later. Ask around; that is incredibly fast. And as I have stated many, many times; I am now associating with the best people, the most love filled people, I have ever known in my life. AND I LOVE IT!!!

Oh, and you know all of the nonsense that you and others have posted about how brainwashed we are? Here is what we have been studying over the last 3 weeks;

Week 1; Why Keep Your Integrity? Boy, now that is some mind bending shit, ain't it?

Week 2; Will You Hold Fast to Your Integrity? More mind benders, right?

Week 3; Appreciate Jesus' Unique Role in God's Purpose. I throughly enjoyed and learned a LOT from that lesson. You, of course, probably understand everything you will ever need to know, right?

Or if you get too inquisitive do they kick you to the curb?

What a stupid and twisted question. There are 7 million of us reading the Bible, ALL THE TIME. If a question comes up, what, you think only one individual is going to have that question?! We have a system whereby such questions are answered, and, if the question is pointed enough, they have led to changes in interpetation. That is what our organization is all about; WE ARE ALL BIBLE STUDENTS!! WE ARE NOT TEACHERS OF THE BIBLE!!!!!!!

Just who do you think is the teacher, smart guy?

“I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit yourself.”—ISAIAH 48:17.

That is why the Bible was given to mankind; to help him to learn HOW TO BENEFIT HIMSELF!!!!! By following Jehovah God!!!!

And a big part of that learning, is learning how to distance ourselves from unbelivers. Do I need to post the verses from the Bible about that as well??

richard9151  posted on  2009-02-28   14:14:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#5)

You need to learn how to read. It does not refer to one flock. It specifically says; Shepard the flock of God in YOUR care....

Do you meed me to break down the difference for you?

Yes, please do.

I suppose God personally put the flock into their tender loving care. Right? There is no difference. You try and manufacture a difference. But if you trust your "shepherds", there's nothing else I can say.

You have absolutely no personal knowledge of the Witnesses nor what they do. You rely ONLY on what others say or post, and then agree with them. You go so far that YOU FAIL TO TRY AND HELP THOSE WHO ADHERE TO NON-SCRIPTURAL TEACHINGS JUST SO YOU CAN SLAM THE WITNESSES.

No, I go thru your posts paragraph by paragraph, usually. I dont know why I bother, though. Maybe I shouldn't. You might have inadvertently made a good point. Those that see it, see it. Those that don't, don't.

I have yet to see you attempt, in any way, manner, shape or form, to help anyone shed the trinity, hell, immortal soul or other teachings. Instead, all you are interested in doing is diving into any post I make and explain to everyone who will listen how little I understand..... And how bad are the teachings of the Witnesses. Thus, as I have stated several times, confirming to everyone who reads what you post that they are absolutely correct in holding to their beliefs. Congrats.

Oh but I do write and talk about those things. But again, those that see it, see it. Those that don't, don't. Arguing about it is senseless. I've been there and done that. I"ve been called some pretty interesting names over doing that very thing.

What people believe is their business. We are supposed to preach the Gospel, not beat it into them, but most people have not a clue what that Gospel is.

I am not going to write a book to go thru this point by point. I'll just hit the points I want to address. Besides, I get tired of doing that and it's not reciprocated.

And all this while you try and argue with me about your beliefs in predestination. Fasinating, I must admit, but basically, child like in your denial of the message in the Bible.

Predestination? I never heard this used in this context before. Usually the predestination crowd says that most people were created by God to be tortured in real fire for all time. My, what a loving "god".

A group with which I could congregate and which strickly followed the teachings of the Bible.

Nonsense. Unless you really do stone people for back-talking their parents and other such things that are documented in the Bible.

You, on the other hand, have no such faith in Jehovah God, as you have stated a number of times that such a group CAN NOT exist.

Oh there is a group. But it is not a man-made organization. Man will screw things up, every single time, and that is a 100% guarantee.

If a question comes up, what, you think only one individual is going to have that question?! We have a system whereby such questions are answered,

And therein lies the problem. I'll bet that system involves kicking it up the chain of command to await an answer from some "elder". Am I right or am I wrong? The only time I recall Christ EVER saying to consult earthly authorities is Mat 23:2 since the scribes et al knew what scripture says, they had the scrolls, but their actions never matched their words. You remember them?

He didnt think too much of the religious "authorities" back then either.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-28   15:19:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#11)

But if you trust your "shepherds",

A lot more than I would trust anyone of the world. I have watched them in action, and I know, personally, of the great love they show for the flock, and for Jehovah God.

but most people have not a clue what that Gospel is.

You are absolutely right about that, BUT, that does not mean that we do not offer correction. We plant seeds. Somewhere, if their heart is correct, someone else will water and gradually, the seed will sprout. But that can not happen unless the facts are presented at every opportunity.

Predestination? I never heard this used in this context before.

Anyone who does not accept the free will taught in the Bible believes that everyone will be saved because they have no choice. That is your basic belief. So be it. Predestination it is. Everyone gains everlasting life, like or not, accept Jehovah God or not.

Nonsense. Unless you really do stone people for back-talking their parents and other such things that are documented in the Bible.

Now you are being silly, or, deliberately speaking what you know to be a lie.... which is it?

There are, however, certain other burdens aside from anxieties, worries, fears, frustrations and other negative emotions that are the lot of the Christian and that he must himself bear. For example, the governing body of the Christian congregation in Jerusalem wrote the early Christians scattered abroad: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.” Christians have certain responsibilities that they must shoulder.—Acts 15:28, 29.

Do we need to begin going through the New Covenant?

Man will screw things up, every single time, and that is a 100% guarantee.

As I said, you have no faith in Jehovah God to fulfill His Purpose through His Means.

“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matt. 24:14.

There is only one organization doing that, and, there has never been more than this one organization that has done it. And, it is being done today, tomorrow and next year in more than 230 lands and in numerous different languages. Such languages being both spoken and written.

The only time I recall Christ EVER saying to consult earthly authorities is Mat 23:2 since the scribes et al knew what scripture says

Do you really believe that?!

Hebrews 6:10 For God is not unrighteous so as to forget YOUR work and the love YOU showed for his name, in that YOU have ministered to the holy ones and continue ministering. 11 But we desire each one of YOU to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end, 12 in order that YOU may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

What do you suppose that refers to?

2 Timothy 4:1 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is destined to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his kingdom, 2 preach the word, be at it urgently in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and [art of] teaching. 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do [the] work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.

Timothy was an overseer of various congregations for Paul.

1 Thessalonians 5:12 Now we request YOU, brothers, to have regard for those who are working hard among YOU and presiding over YOU in [the] Lord and admonishing YOU; 13 and to give them more than extraordinary consideration in love because of their work. Be peaceable with one another. 14 On the other hand, we exhort YOU, brothers, admonish the disorderly, speak consolingly to the depressed souls, support the weak, be long-suffering toward all. 15 See that no one renders injury for injury to anyone else, but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others.

Do you fail to see the elders of a congregation at work in this Scripture?!

1 Peter 5:1 Therefore, to the older men among YOU I give this exhortation, for I too am an older man with [them] and a witness of the sufferings of the Christ, a sharer even of the glory that is to be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care, not under compulsion, but willingly; neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly; 3 neither as lording it over those who are God’s inheritance, but becoming examples to the flock. 4 And when the chief shepherd has been made manifest, YOU will receive the unfadable crown of glory.

What about here; can you see any elders being discussed here?! I will tell you what you did not see in any of those versus was any mention of any priests!!

Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all people, and the sanctification without which no man will see the Lord, 15 carefully watching that no one may be deprived of the undeserved kindness of God; that no poisonous root may spring up and cause trouble and that many may not be defiled by it; 16 that there may be no fornicator nor anyone not appreciating sacred things, like E82;sau, who in exchange for one meal gave away his rights as firstborn.

See any instructions for elders here?

Should I continue? Want me to post the part about congregating together? OK.

Hebrew 10:24 And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near.

That is actually a command. And it would not be there if there were not a reason for it, and if such were not available. Esp. as the day draws near. As I said, there is a reason for the faith I have in the Word of Jehovah God.

they had the scrolls, but their actions never matched their words. You remember them?

I remember them very well, and so does Jehovah God. And you still say that He does not have the power and authority to do anything about it, esp. as we draw near to the end of this system of things. Sorry for you I am.

You have made a strong point about how disgusted with Christendom you are, and with their many, many sects and teachings. Well, we should expect that, but at the same time, we should expect that a correction would be made near the end of the worldly system of things.

1 Corinthins 1:10 Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

The only religious organization that speaks with one voice, IN THE WORLD, is Jehovah's Witnesses. Why? Because we all read and study the Bible. There is a sharp line beginning to separate all the people of the world, and that line id defined by what is in the Bible.

And one more point about disfellowshipping, and why;

2 John 9 Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

I do not know how anyone can read that and misunderstand.

richard9151  posted on  2009-02-28   17:38:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: richard9151, Rotara, PSUSA, Jethro Tull, all (#12)

But if you trust your "shepherds",

A lot more than I would trust anyone of the world. I have watched them in action, and I know, personally, of the great love they show for the flock, and for Jehovah God.

This is a topic I generally avoid - however "holier than thou" hypocrisy annoys me and I find it repugnant to the spirit of comity and the messenger of peace.

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Ousted Members Say Jehovah's Witnesses' Policy on Abuse Hides Offenses

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN Published: August 11, 2002

William Bowen always considered himself a devout Jehovah's Witness. As a child, he felt it was his duty to go door to door passing out the church's magazine, The Watchtower. Later, as an elder in his Kentucky congregation, he said he saw it as his duty to inform church officials that a fellow elder had abused a child.

But when Mr. Bowen contacted the church's headquarters in Brooklyn, he says, he was rebuffed. Frustrated by the church's inaction and by its confidentiality provisions, which he said prevented him from sharing the information with others, Mr. Bowen resigned as an elder in December 2000. A year later, he started a group to monitor child sexual abuse in the church.

Late last month, Mr. Bowen, 44, was excommunicated from the church. Behind a locked door, with plastic bags taped over the windows to ward off onlookers, he said, three church elders meeting at the church's Kingdom Hall in Draffenville, Ky., found him guilty of ''causing divisions.''

The punishment was ''disfellowshiping'' -- complete shunning.

In the past three months, four other people have been expelled from the Jehovah's Witnesses after accusing it of covering up the sexual abuse of children by its members. For Mr. Bowen and other critics of church policies on sexual abuse, the expulsions are part of a concerted effort to keep such abuses quiet.

Expelled Witnesses say the church's own policies and culture conspire to conceal abuse. A panel of church elders, all men, meets in secret to decide each case, a procedure which critics say prevents members from knowing there is an abuser in their midst. To prove an accusation, a child must have a witness to the incident, a condition that is usually impossible to meet.

''This is evidence for the world to see how the Jehovah's Witnesses treat abuse survivors and those who try to protect them,'' said Mr. Bowen. ''They silence them with the threat of disfellowshiping.'' ... (continued at link)

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-01   23:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)

well, well. so all JW's aren't angels walking among us?

christine  posted on  2009-03-02   0:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22) (Edited)

well, well. so all JW's aren't angels walking among us?

Shocking isn't it?

I generally stay away from these threads, but I have a visceral reaction toward hypocrisy - particularly when children are concerned.

From my perspective among problems with the JW Group are the insularity, secrecy, and authoritarianism. Were I less charitable I might call it Totalitarian Religiosity. Not to mention the joyless and cheerless outlook I see it engender. However, I do believe in freedom of conscience and they are welcome to their beliefs, but I do not have to agree with them.

The JW Church reminds me most of H. L. Mencken's definition of Puritanism:

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-02   0:54:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#23)

I generally stay away from these threads,

That is wise.

We're supposed to be ready to give a reason for the faith, WHEN ASKED.

Usually no one even asks, we just jump right on in, and we know the results of that... Problem was, I forgot it.

Another think I notice is that people are always deathly afraid to say "I don't know". If they dont know the answer to a question, they'll fake it and they will sound so authoritative in the process.

.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-02   7:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PSUSA (#24)

Another think I notice is that people are always deathly afraid to say "I don't know". If they dont know the answer to a question, they'll fake it and they will sound so authoritative in the process.

Yes, an important insight. A lesson it took me into my late 20's to learn. Now if I don't know an answer to something I am completely comfortable saying "I don't know". Three very important words.

I've read a fair bit on religion and history but there is still much I do not know and I am not afraid to say so.

Two things I do KNOW:

There is a God.

Jesus Christ was a reality.

As well I have learned that there are too many men who claim their words, their opinions, are the word of God when they are not, but that they merely use God as a way to give authority to their words. That I find sad in the deluded and reprehensible in those who use religion to cloak their evil doing in respectability.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-02   11:38:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)

Two things I do KNOW:

There is a God.

Jesus Christ was a reality.

As well I have learned that there are too many men who claim their words, their opinions, are the word of God when they are not, but that they merely use God as a way to give authority to their words. That I find sad in the deluded and reprehensible in those who use religion to cloak their evil doing in respectability.

Agreed.

The only thing I will add to that is, IMO and scripture bears this out, is that God is sovereign. Too many say that, but they dont really believe it.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-02   11:45:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent (#30)

Good to see you both up and taking nutrition.

Rotara  posted on  2009-03-02   11:48:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara, PSUSA (#31)

Good to see you both up and taking nutrition.

And you as well.

I haven't quite kicked the cigarette habit yet, but I have cut back drastically before taking the final plunge. I ain't gonna pay no Obama tax on anything I can avoid.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-02   11:59:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#33)

I'm very close to my target of 1 (ONE) cigar and 2 (TWO) glasses of wine per diem.

Adios beer ! Adios tequila ! Adios cigarillos !

Rotara  posted on  2009-03-02   12:13:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara (#35)

I'm very close to my target of 1 (ONE) cigar and 2 (TWO) glasses of wine per diem.

Adios beer ! Adios tequila ! Adios cigarillos !

For me it is not so much "adios" as it is "au revoir" (till we meet again) - although Tekillya is history - too many Tequila Sunrises {and I don't mean the drink ;-)} I can't even stand the smell of it any more.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-02   12:26:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 37.

#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)

Trust me, I know exactly what you mean !

Rotara  posted on  2009-03-02 12:35:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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