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Title: Rule by fear or rule by law? (Hal Turner CONFIRMED)
Source: SAN FRAN CHRON
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... =/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
Published: Feb 4, 2009
Author: Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg
Post Date: 2009-02-28 14:14:16 by Rotara
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Rule by fear or rule by law?

Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg

Monday, February 4, 2008

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."



- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?

The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances. The people must not allow the president to use the war on terrorism to rule by fear instead of by law.

Lewis Seiler is the president of Voice of the Environment, Inc. Dan Hamburg, a former congressman, is executive director.

This article appeared on page B - 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle

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#1. To: christine, Jethro Tull, noone222, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, JamesDeffenbach, X-15, Old Fud, All (#0) (Edited)

February 27, 2009

San Francisco Chronicle CONFIRMS my ENDGAME Story!

San Francisco, CA -- "The San Francisco Chronicle" newspaper has CONFIRMED my report published earlier this week, of a government plan code named ENDGAME.

My article appears here .

Many visitors to this blog thought I was some sort of nutcase for my story which revealed that upwards of 775,000 American citizens are on lists to be rounded up by our government.

Now, a major, main stream newspaper has published confirming details!

Read the SF Chronicle Story Here

Hal Turner

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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   14:19:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: freepatriot32, Artisan, *Constitution Party* (#1)

see this ?

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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   14:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#1)

Thanks for the ping.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-02-28   14:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#1)

Hal is the boy who cried wolf. He lies so much that it is impossible to distinguish his lies from truth. Therefore, anything he says, I write off as BS.

For once, maybe he's telling the truth, but I will still take it with a grain of salt.

Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
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Critter  posted on  2009-02-28   14:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Critter (#4)

For once, maybe he's telling the truth, but I will still take it with a grain of salt.

It's been posited by people that really make me stop and think that Hal is a NWO shill - at the least they have 'stuff' on him - and is used to leak very serious and ugly chit.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#3)

Y W


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   14:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rotara (#1)

I've gotta laugh at all the pro government goons, be they from the left or right, who never thought this day would come. As they still spat over the Rs v Ds, Endgame is now confirmed and fully functional. If anyone reading this hasn't prepared for their own personal Endgame, shame on them. To anyone thinking they'll live to fight another day, shame on them. To anyone who is unwilling to defend the Republic, shame on them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-28   14:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Critter (#4)

this article is from the SF Chronicle so it's in MSM, not on Hal Turner's website.

did you read this?

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

christine  posted on  2009-02-28   14:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rotara (#2)

Interesting piece, thanks. There is certainly a plan to do a round up, this much I am certain. One time a year and some months ago several of us coming from a meeting saw a curious thing happening by the railroad tracks behind the Lane County Jail.

It was about three in the morning and apparently they were doing a training drill. They had people posing as detainees and were going through a mock up run of moving people out to the tracks to unload them into rail cars.

They were extremely tense and unhappy to see us and broke up the drill before they were done. The holding point near the tracks consisted of Constantina wire, and they gathered it up and moved it so fast those doing it cut themselves and tore clothing.

They did not want us seeing them do this. They have also gotten rid of Ivy ground cover and done over cutting on trees at the entrance and exit of the secured walled in prisoner intake point which allows them to more easily accommodate cattle truck-like transports. We always watch and analyse what we see the authorities do.

It is also interesting the compound with much of the crowd control and other police gear is stored at a place so close to the jail, you could throw a rock from jail property and hit it's high security fence.

Of course I hope this never happens, but the smart thing is to be ready for endgame, regardless of who is in the White House, be he a Bush, McCain, Obama, Paul or whomever.

It will be a higher level of command and control then the White House that springs this if it happens. And if society loses enough cohesion and there is too much chaos resulting from the worsening financial situation, make no mistake about it; a round-up is very possible.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-02-28   14:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#8)

The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances.

The Constitution doesn't allow the president to be an illegal alien either, but there it is.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#8)

this article is from the SF Chronicle so it's in MSM,

I knew that, silly.

But Hal wrote of this earlier, and it was one of those things I brushed off as Hal B.S.

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Critter  posted on  2009-02-28   14:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: MUDDOG (#10)

The Constitution doesn't allow the president to be an illegal alien either, but there it is.

There you go--good point. There is a LOT of stuff the government does that is not allowed by the Constitution but they just ignore it most of the time with a claim of penumbras or "exigent circumstances" or some other lame, bs excuse why they can't be bothered.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-02-28   14:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

We've just preserved the outward form of the Constitution, like the Roman Empire kept up the pretense that the Roman Senate was still in charge.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   15:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: MUDDOG (#10)

bush was correct when he referred to it as just a goddamned piece of paper.

christine  posted on  2009-02-28   15:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach, MUDDOG, nolu, all (#12)

The Constitution doesn't allow the president to be an illegal alien either, but there it is.

No less a sleuth than our left-wing friend, nolu, has admitted that only a select few bureaucrats have seen Obama's BC. We, and he, have their word that all is in order. Gee, I feel better......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-28   15:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#14)

What makes this DC representative proposal so shocking is, they're not even pretending any more.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   15:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

You'd think some Repub state official would've demanded proof of citizenship to put Obama's name on the ballot, but once again they are Lucy pulling back the football to our Charlie Brown.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   15:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull. the thread (#15)

The Obama Deception -

www.obamadeception.net/

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-02-28   15:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: MUDDOG (#17)

As I understand it, only members of the Electoral College had standing and none raised the issue.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-02-28   15:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Sam Houston (#19)

Despite my usual cynicism, it still baffles me.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   15:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Well, how silly we were for thinking that things were not kosher with our new Africon King.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-02-28   15:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: MUDDOG (#17)

You'd think some Repub state official would've demanded proof of citizenship to put Obama's name on the ballot, but once again they are Lucy pulling back the football to our Charlie Brown.

I have no way of proving this, but it's my best guess that if Obama weren't black, and had he not been the early leading candidate, they might have done the constitutionally correct thing and demanded he produce it publicly. The money he has spent keeping it from view raises nothing but red flags for all but the partisans. It was a fear of riots that kept, and keeps, this issue in the closet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-28   15:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick (#18)

Thanks Jim. I'll order one from AJ as soon as it's ready.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-02-28   15:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull, Critter, All (#7)

I've gotta laugh at all the pro government goons, be they from the left or right, who never thought this day would come. As they still spat over the Rs v Ds, Endgame is now confirmed and fully functional. If anyone reading this hasn't prepared for their own personal Endgame, shame on them. To anyone thinking they'll live to fight another day, shame on them. To anyone who is unwilling to defend the Republic, shame on them.

Yep.

And I didnt need that shill Turner to tell me about it either. He hid the pint of truth in a lake of poison. And for him to say "I told you so" makes me want to kick him in the balls.


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PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-28   15:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull. all (#23)

We should see to it that all our 'reps' are inundated with copies of this one.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-02-28   15:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

The money he has spent keeping it from view raises nothing but red flags for all but the partisans.

Yep, it's not just the birth certificate. He's covering up all the records from his life that could shed light on this.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-02-28   15:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rotara, JAMES DEFFENBACH (#1)

HOW'D THAT MAKE IT INTO THE SAN FRAN CHRONICAL? GREAT STUFF. COULDVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANYONE HERE.

save it: (temporary url)

http://www.superscreenshot.com/screens/20090228/20090228_125159_wwwsfgatecom_p_6 00.jpg

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-02-28   15:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Of course I hope this never happens, but the smart thing is to be ready for endgame, regardless of who is in the White House, be he a Bush, McCain, Obama, Paul or whomever.

I don't think this would have happened under a President Paul, but then, as you know, Ron Paul was never one of the selected puppets of the shadow government. The fact of the matter is, the buck stops with whomever is president and CnC when this 'endgame' scenario takes place and there's no denying that it is war by the government against we-the-people.

christine  posted on  2009-02-28   16:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine (#28)

Ron Paul was never one of the selected puppets of the shadow government.

But the Obamasiah certainly was.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-02-28   16:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#28)

Just one of many interesting vids out there:

REVEALED: The Secret of Christianity

The rhetoric today has an overall theme of "we can't continue to ignore..." whatever topic this is attached to. be it health care, Social Security, or whatever. There are other clues I have gleaned in my watching what's up that alarm me, and it would make sense to spring something after the presidency of one that made so many hyper vigilant in regards to an end game nationally and the other components of this which no doubt are planned internationally.

A couple of examples of management tools that will be part of running a round- up: No doubt we will have a day when only the chosen few and their lackey's cell phones work and it is interesting pay phones have disappeared so fast and the remaining ones are so hard to use too I might add.

The pastors and other religious leaders will put into effect the calming tactic and this will be part of other propaganda to sooth the herd being culled for problematic people.

Control worldwide is like an iceberg. People like Barack Obama, Bush, and other country managers sit pretty in the castles on the part of the ice you see.

There is no real need to get real excited or to treat in the clear political efficacy as anything more then a diversionary sports event.

What will kill is the ice under the water, and it is bigger a mass, and those living in this part of my metaphor do not want to be named, or their 'management' doctrine and technique to be too widely exposed.

And they monitor what is out there and seed it with disinformation cleverly embedded in the truth.

This is far more effective, this disinformation at controlling the awareness of truth then by making plain what is true by selectively and ruthlessly going after it to silence it.

I could expound more, but you know of the things I speak of. I also believe the powers that be create racism and other side game diversions to help unfocused and dissipate organized effort to ferret out the truth that is so dangerous and deadly, and I know that religions like Islam and Christianity are as much vehicles of control as Judaism is as well.

I am ready as I can be for this Crystal night to take freedom to the death camps. I don't really relish in talking about this so plainly, as when it happens I don't want to be any sort of special target. And I firmly believe some will indeed get certain attention. And on top of that, many of those will die in the commission of capture, or be found to be more insane then others are and have a bad time in the psychiatric facilities they are put in.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-02-28   16:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine (#28)

--

THE MEN BEHIND BARACK OBAMA 1/2

The Men Behind Barack Obama 2 / 2

Seen this? This guy is always interesting.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-02-28   17:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

I've gotta laugh at all the pro government goons, be they from the left or right, who never thought this day would come. As they still spat over the Rs v Ds, Endgame is now confirmed and fully functional. If anyone reading this hasn't prepared for their own personal Endgame, shame on them. To anyone thinking they'll live to fight another day, shame on them. To anyone who is unwilling to defend the Republic, shame on them.

It's coming quick. At this point, only a fool would try to drag someone across the finish line.

Odds are you wouldn't make it yourself.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#8)

But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

I'm proud to be a "Potential Domestic Terraist".


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Mike,

I would honestly like to see you fully awaken and join us in defeating the cabal.

It's time to choose sides for realz now.

Are you with the puppets - the NEOCOMS and NEOCONS.

Or, are you with America and Americans.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

The Constitution doesn't allow the president to be an illegal alien either, but there it is.

There you go--good point. There is a LOT of stuff the government does that is not allowed by the Constitution but they just ignore it most of the time with a claim of penumbras or "exigent circumstances" or some other lame, bs excuse why they can't be bothered.

WTP have been over run by globalists and their tools.

This is that point we all dreaded (well, most of us I guess) but knew was unavoidable based on the plans as we understood them.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: MUDDOG (#17) (Edited)

You'd think some Repub state official would've demanded proof of citizenship to put Obama's name on the ballot, but once again they are Lucy pulling back the football to our Charlie Brown.

And defy the National Globalist Party masters ? Never.

Bought and paid for eunuchs; quislings ALL.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara. all (#35)

2A bump

We must be ready to FULLY utilize it...beginning, I believe at the grass-roots level.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-02-28   18:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Artisan, ALL (#27)

HOW'D THAT MAKE IT INTO THE SAN FRAN CHRONICAL? GREAT STUFF. COULDVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANYONE HERE.

Hearst Threatening To Sell SF Chronicle

Holy smokes.

This just in: the SF Chronicle is (practically) up for sale. Word is that "if they don't sell it, they'll shut it down." No deadline communicated yet.

The following memo was sent to SF Chronicle employees today.

Memo from Frank Vega, Chairman & Publisher
February 24, 2009


Dear Fellow Employees:

The rapidly declining economy, coupled with severely declining advertising revenues, is forcing nearly every newspaper company to re-think how it conducts business while continuing to serve its respective communities.

Despite all of our best efforts as an organization, The Chronicle continues to show staggering losses each week. Recent staff and expense reductions have not stemmed these losses, which are only worsening in the present economy. In response to our financial picture and the bleak economic forecast for the foreseeable future, our management team has begun a series of cost-saving initiatives designed to alleviate those losses.

First and foremost of these cost savings will be a significant reduction in force across all areas of our operation affecting both represented and non-represented employees. We will shortly begin discussions with union leadership on proposals. Our current situation dictates that we accomplish these cost savings quickly. Business as usual is no longer an option.

If we are unable to accomplish these reductions in the immediate future, Hearst Corporation, which owns The Chronicle, has informed us that it will offer the newspaper for sale or close it altogether. We know these are painful times for everyone and we face difficult choices. We share in the sincere hope that we will reach agreement with all parties involved on the concessions needed to continue to operate and provide the Bay Area with a quality newspaper.

I will update you throughout this process. Thank you for your support and good work, particularly in economic times that are difficult for all of us.

Here's one way of looking at this somewhat shocking news: This is Hearst trying to strongarm the union into complying with whatever demands they try to shove down their throats. They are basically saying "concede to layoffs, loss of vacation and severance, or we will shut it down."

The question is, how will the union members respond to these bullying tactics? Will individuals hope that their jobs won't be the ones cut, or will they call Hearst's bluff?

Another way of looking at it: They're broke as all hell, and and they will shut it down. Which seems to be the most likely scenario.

Hearst corporation, if you recall, also put up for sale SF Chron's sister paper, Seattle P-I, in January.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lodwick (#37)

Every patriot has to have a plan to disrupt the mofos' in their neighborhood and band together when they start (no)knocking on others' doors.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   18:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#38)

If all print media went away, who here, would really care?

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-02-28   18:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#31)

Tarpley is a FDR - Clinton loving New Deal Socialist; I 'read' him through that reality.

And like some bushbots that woke up, he's also been waking up. I've watched him wake up, closely.

He knows quite a bit. Not as complete as others' awareness, but worth paying attention to because of his often tedious due diligence.

Are you sure this is Mike McCarthy using the ferret account ???


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   19:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lodwick (#40)

If all print media went away, who here, would really care?

I can't remember the last time I got my hands dirty with ink..nope, it has to be almost a decade now.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   19:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#31)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   19:11:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Rotara (#38)

The announcement of the Rocky Mountain News' closure came just days after publishing group Hearst Corp said it may shutter the San Francisco Chronicle if staff of the newspaper did not agree to "significant" job cuts.

Hearst announced in January that it plans to close its money-losing Seattle newspaper, the Post-Intelligencer, if a buyer cannot be found.

Philadelphia Newspapers, owner of the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News, filed for bankruptcy protection on Sunday.

Tribune Co., owner of The Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and six other dailies, filed for bankruptcy in December and a Minnesota newspaper, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, filed for bankruptcy in January.

Citing crisis, US newspaper editors cancel convention

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2009-02-28   19:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: DeaconBenjamin (#44)

Consolidation of the propaganda networks perhaps ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-28   19:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

Control worldwide is like an iceberg. People like Barack Obama, Bush, and other country managers sit pretty in the castles on the part of the ice you see.

There is no real need to get real excited or to treat in the clear political efficacy as anything more then a diversionary sports event.

What will kill is the ice under the water, and it is bigger a mass, and those living in this part of my metaphor do not want to be named, or their 'management' doctrine and technique to be too widely exposed.

And they monitor what is out there and seed it with disinformation cleverly embedded in the truth.

This is far more effective, this disinformation at controlling the awareness of truth then by making plain what is true by selectively and ruthlessly going after it to silence it.

I could expound more, but you know of the things I speak of.

yes, i know of the things you speak. your iceberg with country managers sitting pretty in castles on the part that we can see is an apt metaphor.

christine  posted on  2009-02-28   19:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike (#31)

Seen this?

Webster Tarpley? but of course! I've heard him many times on GCN and have posted several articles he's written. I'm surprised you posted this to me! You wrote he's always interesting. Tell me, what do you think of what Tarpley says here?

christine  posted on  2009-02-28   19:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lodwick (#40)

If all print media went away, who here, would really care?

I would.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-02-28   19:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Rotara (#1)

Here's what I think is going on. The government and Banks have colluded to convey American Real Property ownership out of the country through paper transactions ultimately held by the Chinese.

What's actually taking place is the same thing that happened to the Indians on the East Coast (Jew York) when they traded their land to the colonists for beads and baubles.

The Chinese are sending us their shit/junk and accumulating dollars that appear worthless unless they're able to purchase actual value with them. So, they're now buying up California, Arizona and I'm sure much more.

The Illegals/drug cartels are being used to create another front along the border but are far less a threat than the over funded Chinese land grabbers.

I believe that the massive derivative transactions were purposely allowed to occur as part of the banker's scam, that will ultimately leave Americans homeless upon their own soil by transferring the debt to foreign entities like the Chinese Superfund Operators. This will (SHOULD) lead to uprisings or at a minimum the burning down of these foreclosed houses so as to make them worth less.

The Banks are right now slithering out of the grasp of those they have robbed. The elites at the head of the snake have already sent their ill gotten gains to other places in the form of off shore accounts, huge land purchases in PARAGUAY, DUBAI, and etc., and all of this profit taking by the elites falls within the plan to create a ONE WORLD BANKER RUN GLOBAL PLANTATION, and the new SHERIFF will be the PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

General Smedley Butler

noone222  posted on  2009-03-01   1:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#33)

I'm proud to be a "Potential Domestic Terraist".

“I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” (Jefferson knew exactly what he was talking about).

- Thomas Jefferson

The Banks and their lackeys in D.C. are the domestic terrorists. They are (without a doubt) turning America over to the Chinese Communists. How they will complete their hijacking is irrelevant to me, whether they use American cops, Mexican drug dealers/gangs or Chinese communist invaders it is obvious they have little trouble finding the necessary minions.

The more I look at the events coming our way at an ever increasing pace it becomes more obvious that our only true enemy today is anything called "Federal", be it a bank or the government. The method of deterring this takeover is to remove the object desired. On an immediate basis the real properties being foreclosed upon are their target but REALLY SHOULD BE OURS.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

General Smedley Butler

noone222  posted on  2009-03-01   1:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: noone222 (#49)

I can well envision it being totally true

I would add that our creditors have been buying / mining precious metals like it's going out of style.

Hmmmmmmm


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-03-01   2:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: noone222 (#50)

Jefferson knew exactly what he was talking about

Hot damn you post the truth !

I'm 100% convinced that as long as the CFR in ameriKa feel safe, we're hosed.

Ja ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-03-01   2:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rotara (#51)

I would add that our creditors have been buying / mining precious metals like it's going out of style.

In the end they can't eat the shit ... but we can fill their pockets with it and watch them try to fight gravity as they sink to the bottom of the ponds, lakes, rivers and oceans of the world.

The looting started a long time ago (1913) ... the final act wherein the creditors are given a last opportunity to redeem their bad loans is upon us, but the bulk of the wealth has already been hidden elsewhere ... just like in every other bankruptcy operated by the pros.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

General Smedley Butler

noone222  posted on  2009-03-01   2:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Rotara (#34) (Edited)

I would honestly like to see you fully awaken and join us in defeating the cabal.

It's time to choose sides for realz now.

FM already admitted yesterday to being irrational not interested in honest debate and called this forum "hate driven" and was bozod as a result. (See my last most to him) He'll stay that way unless and until he reverses that admission.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-01   5:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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