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Title: Bush-era memo details argument for rendition power
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/terror_memos_rendition
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: Pamela Hess
Post Date: 2009-03-03 08:41:01 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 89
Comments: 4

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer – Tue Mar 3, 3:07 am ET

Actually, given the nature of the Constitution and of Washington, DC (where the Constitution does not apply), these memos are correct. However, that is not something that the powers-that-be wish to have admitted to the sheeple. Kills to many illusions.

WASHINGTON – A Bush-era legal memo gives new detail on how the White House tiptoed around laws and treaties to justify presidential power to transfer prisoners captured in the war on terror to countries where they might be tortured.

The March 13, 2002, memo by Jay S. Bybee, then assistant attorney general in the White House office of legal counsel, said the president has an unfettered right to transfer prisoners captured in the war on terror to governments around the world without regard for whether they would be tortured there.

The memo appears to underpin the Bush administration's extraordinary rendition program. It is one of nine legal memos made public Monday that further details the administration's expansive definition of presidential authority in a time of war.

When the memo was written, the White House legal office had already decided that al-Qaida and Taliban detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions, the international treaty the governs the treatment of prisoners of war.

The March memo went further. It said that prisoners held outside the United States were not protected by U.S. laws against torture nor against a separate international treaty banning torture. It also said that a 1998 law making it U.S. policy not to hand over prisoners to country where they may be tortured was invalid because it unconstitutionally interferes with presidential powers.

However, the possibility that prisoners might be tortured after a transfer to another government outside the criminal justice system_ known as extraordinary rendition_ was on the minds of the White House legal office. The memo suggests ways that U.S. officials could transfer prisoners to countries where they may indeed be tortured without making them legally liable for their treatment.

"To fully shield our personnel from criminal liability, it is important that the United States not enter in an agreement with a foreign country, explicitly or implicitly, to transfer a detainee to that country for the purpose of having the individual tortured," states the memo. "So long as the United States doe not intend for a detainee to be tortured post-transfer, however, no criminal liability will attach to a transfer. even if the foreign country receiving the detainee does torture him."

CIA Director Leon Panetta has said the United States will continue to engage in extraordinary rendition but will use it rarely and will be more selective about the countries prisoners are sent to. Some of the prisoners that have been transferred by the United States to other countries claim they were tortured.

The Obama White House is reviewing the entire detention and rendition program.

Jameel Jaffer, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's national security project, said the memo, taken with the others released Monday, show the White House used the war on terror to claim broad powers.

"These memos were meant to provide the president with a blank check with respect to the rights of not only prisoners overseas but people in the United States as well," he said.

Steven Bradbury, the Bush administration's last principal deputy assistant attorney general, wrote in a Jan. 15 parting memo that the expansive findings about presidential powers had long since been superseded or withdrawn.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

WASHINGTON – A Bush-era legal memo gives new detail on how the White House tiptoed around laws and treaties to justify presidential power to transfer prisoners captured in the war on terror to countries where they might be tortured.

The key word here is not might, but so they can be tortured.

Bush and everyone of his cronies that were complicit in these unconstitutional acts needs to be rounded up and tried in our courts for treason. Anything less and we will never be able to return to open and honest government by adhereing to the Constitution and governing by rule iof law, not by what the party in power says the law is.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-03-03   9:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: LACUMO (#1)

The fact that so-called "Christians" such as Southern Baptists openly supported even the most extreme preemptive torture and war policies as long as it was done by "our side" caused me to leave that church. Bush was their god rather than the actual one.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-03-03   9:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Sam Houston (#2)

The fact that so-called "Christians" such as Southern Baptists openly supported even the most extreme preemptive torture and war policies as long as it was done by "our side" caused me to leave that church. Bush was their god rather than the actual one.

I too left my church. Hypocracy abounds there! "My country right or wrong" is what they believe instead of God's law. I too had enough of their worshipping pubbies because the pubbie party claimed they were pro-life and never did one god damned thing about abortion and they always put their lying, thieving, murdering president on a throne at the right hand of God. I don't need that shit either!

LACUMO  posted on  2009-03-03   9:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: LACUMO, Sam Houstan (#3)

The fact that so-called "Christians" such as Southern Baptists openly supported even the most extreme preemptive torture and war policies as long as it was done by "our side" caused me to leave that church. Bush was their god rather than the actual one.

I too left my church. Hypocracy abounds there! "My country right or wrong" is what they believe instead of God's law. I too had enough of their worshipping pubbies because the pubbie party claimed they were pro-life and never did one god damned thing about abortion and they always put their lying, thieving, murdering president on a throne at the right hand of God. I don't need that shit either!

LOL!! YOU TWO SOUND EXACTLY LIKE ME!!!!!

That is exactly why I left the Catholic church years ago, and would NEVER join another religion that supported the governments of man!!

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-03   14:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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