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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 2124
Comments: 261
There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual. Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you. IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty. lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace
Poster Comment: The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.
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#100. To: bluegrass (#90)
Can yuou cite the debate at Annapolis in which this requirement was put into operation?
A reference to parentage not the progeny.
Try Philly instead. It predated Annapolis: "One important reason why the delegates chose to meet in Carpenters Hall, was that the building also housed the Library Company of Philadelphia. The librarian reported that Vattel was one of the main sources consulted by the delegates during the First Continental Congress, which met from Sept. 5 to Oct. 26, 1774. Charles W.F. Dumas, an ardent supporter of the American cause, printed an edition of The Law of Nations in 1774, with his own notes illustrating how the book applied to the American situation. In 1770, Dumas had met Franklin in Holland, and was one of Franklin's key collaborators in his European diplomacy. He sent three copies to Franklin, instructing him to send one to Harvard University, and to put one in the Philadelphia library. Franklin sent Dumas a letter, Dec. 9, 1775, thanking him for the gift. Franklin stated, "I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting ... ." link But tell us again how there is no Constitutional requirement that a president has to be natural born citizen. That's your best gag yet.
Incorrect. You made a simple declarative statement that had no basis in reality.
NEOCOMMIE clinton knee padder libturd. It's debatable, but it appears to make the NEOCONS look tame once in it's element.
The Neolibs will get a pass for the barbarities of their frontmen. All of the Neos and their employers should be put on the next bus to Saturn and allow humanity to evolve peacefully.
If the NEOS and the CFR aren't eradicated there is absolutely zero 'hope'. I'd start with the CFR myself but I won't split hairs. I realize there's .003 of hope now but that's still a shot. ;-)
.003 is better than zero.
No, just the INTENT of the founders. But then the intent of the lawmakers has nothing to do with anything so long as idiots can defend a usurper who isn't fit to untie the shoelaces of the founders.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That the best you can do? I could call you much worse than that and I am sure a lot of people have but then I realize you are misguided and someone who prefers not to know when it comes to your Obamasiah. And I am out of patience trying to teach you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You bet it is ! That right there is 'HOPE' baby !!
Right on.
Hey Cyni. Seems that some people love their Obamasiah so much that they are beyond reason and the simple words of the founders who clearly stated their intent as to who was eligible to be president. And it couldn't be some foreigner who had ties and allegiances to another/other countries.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Anyone who believes that Obama was born in in Kenya is a Moonbat. So to answer your question...if the shoe fits...
I am 100% correct with that declarative.
U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
There is no consitutional common law.
Apparently there are a great number of "moonbats" because there are a lot of people who have questions about where your Obamasiah was born. And he REFUSES to produce the long form birth certificate that might clear it up--are you honest enough to ask yourself why anyone would spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to keep something like that hidden? Most of us have to produce that to get a passport, yet Obama doesn't have to produce one to prove he is eligible to hold the highest elected office the country has to offer? And you think there is nothing wrong with that picture? If you can't see it there is no help for you and a "moonbat" would be a credit to you. Common amoebas would be a credit to anyone that stupid.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. For a moment I stipulate to your argument. You still cannot explain away 14...
Your declarative statement is moonbatty.
Explain U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK to me. Did it find that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen? Nope.
A quick look at the lifestyles of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the fact that Wes Pruden and Joe Farah are both gainsfully employed tells me that...
BS! Seventh Amendment In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Looks like the first sentence and the last two words of the seventh amendment refute your claim.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep and it's inaanity to say that "it" did not.
Yea so? Where in Article III is it so recognized...?
JD- The source of the "Obama was born in Kenya" story is the Democratic Party. Recall that Philip Berg is the one that pushed that lawsuit. The story exists as a ruse to hide the fact that Obama isn't a natural born citizen by virtue of his father's citizenship. The Dem ops are hoping that the general population will get disgusted with those of us that question Obama's eligibility by lumping all of into the crazy camp due to the "Obama was born in Kenya" story when the Dems are the ones that started it. Remember Lenin's rule: Control the opposition by leading it.
"...he REFUSES to produce the long form birth certificate that might clear it up-- are you honest enough to ask yourself why anyone would spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to keep something like that hidden? Most of us have to produce that to get a passport, yet Obama doesn't have to produce one to prove he is eligible to hold the highest elected office the country has to offer? And you think there is nothing wrong with that picture? Your answer is not substantive and does not address the questions I raised. I post them to you again and ask, one more time, are you honest enough to ask yourself those questions and tell anyone why they should believe Obama is what he (and you apparently) claim he is?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Where in Article III is it so recognized...? Just posted it to point out, once again, that you were wrong in what you were claiming. I suspect you must be used to that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The Dem ops are hoping that the general population will get disgusted with those of us that question Obama's eligibility by lumping all of into the crazy camp due to the "Obama was born in Kenya" story when the Dems are the ones that started it. Remember Lenin's rule: Control the opposition by leading it. According to some sources even his own grandmother--the one in Kenya and just another one he would throw under the bus if it suited his purposes (like he did the "typical white person" who raised his ungrateful ass), said he was born in Kenya. And so did some half brothers or sisters if I recall correctly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Again, you're incorrect. The ruling found that Wong Kim Ark was a citizen, not a natural born citizen. The ruling also made a distinction between citizens and natural born citizens. From YOUR link: "Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that 'natural born citizen' applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay, or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not." Epic fail on your part.
Those sources are people like Jerome Corsi. Corsi is an old school B'nai B'rith operative. The unassailable fact is that Obama isn't natural born due to his father's citizenship.
You're quotiong Fuller's dissent. That would be the side that lost. Epic fail on your part.
Uh, no...you're relying on the description of a translation of what Obama's grandma said...
Common law is not constutional law, doof, was the point.
I realize it's the minority opinion. My point was to emphasize that even the majority opinion didn't find him to be a natural born citizen. They did find him to be a citizen. The truly ironic thing about this is that the IRS, the most tyrannical part of this usurping government, also trivializes the meaning of the term "natural born citizen" on a regular basis: http://www.irs.gov/irb/2007-14_IRB/ar16.html Congrats. How's the dark side?
The unassailable fact is that Obama isn't natural born due to his father's citizenship. The truth is the truth no matter who tells it. But of course I take your point about how he isn't a citizen because his father was a citizen of Kenya and subject to British rule and his mother could not legally pass on her citizenship to him under the laws as they existed at that time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It seems you need to further your education beyond calling people "doof" when you are proven wrong. Doesn't speak well of you. But then, most of us probably don't expect much from Obamabots. I expect the same from them as I did the Bushbots. In both cases their hero can do no wrong, at least not in their deluded minds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And I am sure that you, being the wise Obamabot that you are, know the translation was wrong OR that his old granny in Kenya hates him and is trying to do whatever she can to mess up his gravy train.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Your Ark link states that at times Constitutional law must be interpreted through common law. That was the majority opinion.
It's not an "opinion" it's a dissent. My point was to emphasize that even the majority opinion didn't find him to be a natural born citizen. And that ppoint is incorrect. Read the decision. The USCON establishes two classes of US citizenship...natural born and naturalized.
Obama was born an American citizen as well as being born a British/Kenyan citizen. He's not a natural born citizen as he was born a dual-citizen. End of story. All of the froo-froo about where he was born is chaff thrown up by the usual suspects to throw us off. The chaff is working, sadly.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIt wasn't defined because ALL of the Framers knew what a natural born citizen was based upon their common legal education.
#101. To: bluegrass (#99)
Originally, in post 59 of this thread, you stated, "There is no such requirement to be natural born."
#102. To: war (#100)
#103. To: war (#101)
#104. To: bluegrass (#82)
If you prefer the Cult of Obama to the law, just say so. Bushbots always preferred the Cult of Bush to the law also. A pox on all of your houses.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#105. To: Rotara (#104)
#106. To: bluegrass (#105)
All of the Neos and their employers should be put on the next bus to Saturn and allow humanity to evolve peacefully.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#107. To: Rotara (#106)
#108. To: war (#81)
Thirdly, those are opinions NOT law.
Lord Acton
#109. To: war (#83)
MOONBAT
Lord Acton
#110. To: bluegrass (#107)
.003 is better than zero.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#111. To: James Deffenbach (#109)
And I am out of patience trying to teach you.
#112. To: Cynicom (#111)
Lord Acton
#113. To: James Deffenbach (#109)
That the best you can do?
#114. To: bluegrass (#103)
Incorrect.
#115. To: bluegrass (#103)
that had no basis in reality.
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
No, just the INTENT of the founders.
#117. To: war (#113)
Anyone who believes that Obama was born in in Kenya is a Moonbat.
Lord Acton
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
But then the intent of the lawmakers has nothing to do with anything...
#119. To: war (#114)
#120. To: war (#115)
#121. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
Apparently there are a great number of "moonbats"
#122. To: war (#116)
There is no consitutional common law.
Lord Acton
#123. To: bluegrass (#120)
Did it find that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen?
#124. To: James Deffenbach (#122)
In Suits at common law...
#125. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
#126. To: war (#121)
Lord Acton
#127. To: war (#124)
Yea so?
Lord Acton
#128. To: bluegrass (#125)
The source of the "Obama was born in Kenya" story is the Democratic Party. Recall that Philip Berg is the one that pushed that lawsuit. The story exists as a ruse to hide the fact that Obama isn't a natural born citizen by virtue of his father's citizenship.
Lord Acton
#129. To: war (#123)
#130. To: James Deffenbach (#128)
#131. To: bluegrass (#129)
#132. To: James Deffenbach (#128)
According to some sources even his own grandmother
#133. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
Just posted it to point out, once again...
#134. To: war (#131)
#135. To: bluegrass (#130)
Those sources are people like Jerome Corsi. Corsi is an old school B'nai B'rith operative.
Lord Acton
#136. To: war (#133)
Lord Acton
#137. To: war (#132)
Uh, no...you're relying on the description of a translation of what Obama's grandma said...
Lord Acton
#138. To: war (#133)
Common law is not constutional law...
#139. To: bluegrass (#134)
I realize it's the minority opinion.
#140. To: James Deffenbach (#135)
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