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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
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There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual. Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you. IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty. lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace
Poster Comment: The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.
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#109. To: war (#83)
That the best you can do? I could call you much worse than that and I am sure a lot of people have but then I realize you are misguided and someone who prefers not to know when it comes to your Obamasiah. And I am out of patience trying to teach you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You bet it is ! That right there is 'HOPE' baby !!
Right on.
Hey Cyni. Seems that some people love their Obamasiah so much that they are beyond reason and the simple words of the founders who clearly stated their intent as to who was eligible to be president. And it couldn't be some foreigner who had ties and allegiances to another/other countries.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Anyone who believes that Obama was born in in Kenya is a Moonbat. So to answer your question...if the shoe fits...
I am 100% correct with that declarative.
U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
There is no consitutional common law.
Apparently there are a great number of "moonbats" because there are a lot of people who have questions about where your Obamasiah was born. And he REFUSES to produce the long form birth certificate that might clear it up--are you honest enough to ask yourself why anyone would spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to keep something like that hidden? Most of us have to produce that to get a passport, yet Obama doesn't have to produce one to prove he is eligible to hold the highest elected office the country has to offer? And you think there is nothing wrong with that picture? If you can't see it there is no help for you and a "moonbat" would be a credit to you. Common amoebas would be a credit to anyone that stupid.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. For a moment I stipulate to your argument. You still cannot explain away 14...
Your declarative statement is moonbatty.
Explain U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK to me. Did it find that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen? Nope.
A quick look at the lifestyles of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the fact that Wes Pruden and Joe Farah are both gainsfully employed tells me that...
BS! Seventh Amendment In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Looks like the first sentence and the last two words of the seventh amendment refute your claim.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep and it's inaanity to say that "it" did not.
Yea so? Where in Article III is it so recognized...?
JD- The source of the "Obama was born in Kenya" story is the Democratic Party. Recall that Philip Berg is the one that pushed that lawsuit. The story exists as a ruse to hide the fact that Obama isn't a natural born citizen by virtue of his father's citizenship. The Dem ops are hoping that the general population will get disgusted with those of us that question Obama's eligibility by lumping all of into the crazy camp due to the "Obama was born in Kenya" story when the Dems are the ones that started it. Remember Lenin's rule: Control the opposition by leading it.
"...he REFUSES to produce the long form birth certificate that might clear it up-- are you honest enough to ask yourself why anyone would spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to keep something like that hidden? Most of us have to produce that to get a passport, yet Obama doesn't have to produce one to prove he is eligible to hold the highest elected office the country has to offer? And you think there is nothing wrong with that picture? Your answer is not substantive and does not address the questions I raised. I post them to you again and ask, one more time, are you honest enough to ask yourself those questions and tell anyone why they should believe Obama is what he (and you apparently) claim he is?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Where in Article III is it so recognized...? Just posted it to point out, once again, that you were wrong in what you were claiming. I suspect you must be used to that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The Dem ops are hoping that the general population will get disgusted with those of us that question Obama's eligibility by lumping all of into the crazy camp due to the "Obama was born in Kenya" story when the Dems are the ones that started it. Remember Lenin's rule: Control the opposition by leading it. According to some sources even his own grandmother--the one in Kenya and just another one he would throw under the bus if it suited his purposes (like he did the "typical white person" who raised his ungrateful ass), said he was born in Kenya. And so did some half brothers or sisters if I recall correctly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Again, you're incorrect. The ruling found that Wong Kim Ark was a citizen, not a natural born citizen. The ruling also made a distinction between citizens and natural born citizens. From YOUR link: "Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that 'natural born citizen' applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay, or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not." Epic fail on your part.
Those sources are people like Jerome Corsi. Corsi is an old school B'nai B'rith operative. The unassailable fact is that Obama isn't natural born due to his father's citizenship.
You're quotiong Fuller's dissent. That would be the side that lost. Epic fail on your part.
Uh, no...you're relying on the description of a translation of what Obama's grandma said...
Common law is not constutional law, doof, was the point.
I realize it's the minority opinion. My point was to emphasize that even the majority opinion didn't find him to be a natural born citizen. They did find him to be a citizen. The truly ironic thing about this is that the IRS, the most tyrannical part of this usurping government, also trivializes the meaning of the term "natural born citizen" on a regular basis: http://www.irs.gov/irb/2007-14_IRB/ar16.html Congrats. How's the dark side?
The unassailable fact is that Obama isn't natural born due to his father's citizenship. The truth is the truth no matter who tells it. But of course I take your point about how he isn't a citizen because his father was a citizen of Kenya and subject to British rule and his mother could not legally pass on her citizenship to him under the laws as they existed at that time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It seems you need to further your education beyond calling people "doof" when you are proven wrong. Doesn't speak well of you. But then, most of us probably don't expect much from Obamabots. I expect the same from them as I did the Bushbots. In both cases their hero can do no wrong, at least not in their deluded minds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And I am sure that you, being the wise Obamabot that you are, know the translation was wrong OR that his old granny in Kenya hates him and is trying to do whatever she can to mess up his gravy train.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Your Ark link states that at times Constitutional law must be interpreted through common law. That was the majority opinion.
It's not an "opinion" it's a dissent. My point was to emphasize that even the majority opinion didn't find him to be a natural born citizen. And that ppoint is incorrect. Read the decision. The USCON establishes two classes of US citizenship...natural born and naturalized.
Obama was born an American citizen as well as being born a British/Kenyan citizen. He's not a natural born citizen as he was born a dual-citizen. End of story. All of the froo-froo about where he was born is chaff thrown up by the usual suspects to throw us off. The chaff is working, sadly.
Not "must"... "The interpretation of the constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history." In other words "can"... That said...it was also said: "In Smith v. Alabama, Mr. Justice Matthews, delivering the judgment of the court, said: 'There is no common law of the United States, in the sense of a national customary law, distinct from the common law of England as adopted by the several states each for itself, applied as its local law, and subject to such alteration as may be provided by its own statutes." Meaning, given statutes and laws that the common law is not precedent.
All fairy tales end. Obama is natural born. He was either that or naturalized. Can you show that he was naturalized? It's a relatively simple exercise...
Here's the majority ruling. There's nothing about 'natural born citizen' in their findings: The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties, were to present for determination the single question, stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative. The USCON establishes two classes of US citizenship...natural born and naturalized. There's three classes: citizen, natural born citizen and naturalized citizen. Obama was born a citizen, not a natural born citizen as he was born with dual-nationality. That dual-nationality thing is what the Framers were trying to avoid. Were they alive today, they'd start a revolution all over again due to a dual-citizen having been selected by the Banking powers to be President.
You can't be natural born if one of your parents is a citizen of another country. I'm not natural born as my mother was an Irish citizen when I was born. Obama knows good and goddam well he's not natural born either. That's why he's done his best to stonewall anyone that wishes to see his records.
Not if he was not born in America. His mother could not have passed her citizenship on to him under the law as it existed at that time. I know now they claim that every wetback who has been in the country two minutes and gives birth has given birth to an American but I don't believe that either. The women who are here illegally are subject to the laws of their home country and only subject to this one to the extent that they can be, and should be, deported.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. From your link: In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the fourteenth amendment now in question, said: 'The constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.' And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.
Again...there are two classes of US citizens...natural born or naturalized. END OF STORY. not natural born as my mother was an Irish citizen when I was born. When were you naturalized?
You miss my point. Obama was born in Hawaii. The people telling you that he wasn't born in the US are the usual Jews, globalists and other disinfo artists that wish to always throw us off by injecting fruitless arguments into the mix. Obama was born an American citizen. He's not a natural born citizen.
The common law is used as an interpretive tool and not as a substitute for law or precedent and will be used only to clarify statuatory ambiguity. There is no constitutional common law.
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#110. To: bluegrass (#107)
.003 is better than zero.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#111. To: James Deffenbach (#109)
And I am out of patience trying to teach you.
#112. To: Cynicom (#111)
Lord Acton
#113. To: James Deffenbach (#109)
That the best you can do?
#114. To: bluegrass (#103)
Incorrect.
#115. To: bluegrass (#103)
that had no basis in reality.
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
No, just the INTENT of the founders.
#117. To: war (#113)
Anyone who believes that Obama was born in in Kenya is a Moonbat.
Lord Acton
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
But then the intent of the lawmakers has nothing to do with anything...
#119. To: war (#114)
#120. To: war (#115)
#121. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
Apparently there are a great number of "moonbats"
#122. To: war (#116)
There is no consitutional common law.
Lord Acton
#123. To: bluegrass (#120)
Did it find that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen?
#124. To: James Deffenbach (#122)
In Suits at common law...
#125. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
#126. To: war (#121)
Lord Acton
#127. To: war (#124)
Yea so?
Lord Acton
#128. To: bluegrass (#125)
The source of the "Obama was born in Kenya" story is the Democratic Party. Recall that Philip Berg is the one that pushed that lawsuit. The story exists as a ruse to hide the fact that Obama isn't a natural born citizen by virtue of his father's citizenship.
Lord Acton
#129. To: war (#123)
#130. To: James Deffenbach (#128)
#131. To: bluegrass (#129)
#132. To: James Deffenbach (#128)
According to some sources even his own grandmother
#133. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
Just posted it to point out, once again...
#134. To: war (#131)
#135. To: bluegrass (#130)
Those sources are people like Jerome Corsi. Corsi is an old school B'nai B'rith operative.
Lord Acton
#136. To: war (#133)
Lord Acton
#137. To: war (#132)
Uh, no...you're relying on the description of a translation of what Obama's grandma said...
Lord Acton
#138. To: war (#133)
Common law is not constutional law...
#139. To: bluegrass (#134)
I realize it's the minority opinion.
#140. To: James Deffenbach (#135)
#141. To: bluegrass (#138)
Your Ark link states that at times Constitutional law must be interpreted through common law.
#142. To: bluegrass (#140)
He's not a natural born citizen as he was born a dual-citizen. End of story.
#143. To: war (#139)
#144. To: war (#142)
Obama is natural born.
#145. To: bluegrass (#140)
Obama was born an American citizen
Lord Acton
#146. To: war (#141)
Not "must"...
#147. To: bluegrass (#144)
You can't be natural born if one of your parents is a citizen of another country.
#148. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
#149. To: bluegrass (#146)
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