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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
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Comments: 261
There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual. Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you. IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty. lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace
Poster Comment: The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.
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#155. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
No, but media Jews lie all the time and fool other people into lying.
Aye yi yi...we can go back and forth on this forever. Two classes: Naturl born or naturalzied. PERIOD.
A while ago you were claiming that there was no 'natural born citizen' clause in the US Constitution. Now you're agreeing with me by saying there is a distinction after all. You're a waste of time.
I'm neither natural born nor was I naturalized. So I must be the third class, like Obama. Neither he nor I are eligible to be prez.
I don't know why he's hiding it. At this point, it doesn't matter if he hides it or not because he's already admitted that he's not a natural born citizen. Rather than try to follow a bunch of media Jews down a rabbit hole, just follow the known facts.
And his relatives in Kenya were all lying? Do they all hate him and want to mess up his gravy train? If that is the case I can't say I blame them much because he doesn't even care about his own brother (half brother) who lives on something like a dollar a day. But do you know that his grandmother was lying or that she was misquoted? I don't know that. By the way, I forgot to ask--have YOU seen his long form birth certificate that he has kept well hidden from everyone else? The one he is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep hidden? If he was actually born in Hawaii why wouldn't he just produce that instead of going to all that expense? Does that make sense to you or does it make more sense to believe that he is hiding something? OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL: More military officers demand eligibility proof OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL More military officers demand eligibility proof Plaintiff: 'In the worst case … it's going to be revolution in the streets' Posted: March 02, 2009 8:18 pm Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2009 WorldNetDaily Military officers from the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are working with California attorney Orly Taitz and her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, citing a legal right established in British common law nearly 800 years ago and recognized by the U.S. Founding Fathers to demand documentation that may prove – or disprove – Barack Obama's eligibility to be president. Taitz told WND today she has mailed to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder a request that he "relate Quo Warranto on Barack Hussein Obama II to test his title to president before the Supreme Court." The lengthy legal phrase essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents." ............
From the WND link: Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born. That's the winnable route.
The simple question I want answered is WHY would anyone who was actually born in this country, which is what Obama and his supporters claim, NOT PRODUCE THE PROOF WHICH COULD BE DONE FOR LESS THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS? Instead of doing that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on high priced shysters to hide his long form birth certificate. I don't claim to be all that smart but I believe that anyone who is that desperate to hide something has something pretty serious to hide.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're natural born.
Doof...let's make this simple...you are claiming that Obama was born in Kenya...his Mom then hopped a pland, snuck kinto a hospital as if he were born there, had the birth registered in Hawaii via the hospital and then reported in a local paper? Have i got it?
I made no such claim.
Obama provided a HAwaii COLB that Hawaii has said is valid. Stop promioting the lie that he hasn't provided anything.
What I am promoting is the truth that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE HIDDEN. That is the same bc that us lowly peons have to provide if we want something like a passport. But your hero doesn't have to show one to prove he is eligible to hold the highest office the country has to offer? If he truly is an American citizen and he was actually born in Hawaii why wouldn't he produce the long form bc? Would YOU spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep yours hidden if there was some controversy about where you were born and you were running for a public office? And why is he spending all that money if he has nothing to hide? Do you remember the sob talking about "transparency"? Your hero is just another politician and isn't worth the air he is taking up. I have asked you over and over why your hero won't produce that long form birth certificate, why he spends all that money to keep it hidden. One more non responsive, bs post from you and you can talk to yourself as far as I am concerned.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Who are you to tell me my status? You didn't even know that there was a natural born clause in the Constitution.
I WAS REFERRING To PARENTAGE.
I'm the euridite.
Document even one cent. Thanks...
#59. To: bluegrass (#31) That being said, his father's foreign citizenship immediately makes him ineligible to be president as a natural born citizen is someone born on American soil of two citizen parents. Obama doesn't fit the bill and he knows it. There is no such requirement to be natural born. Children born on US soil of non-citizen immigrants are natural born. war posted on 2009-03-04 21:23:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
THIS is from the article that was posted on LP, an article favorable to your hero. The White House regards the claims as an irritant and is not responding to questions about them, but lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and Mr Obama himself have spent considerable time and money combating a steady supply of lawsuits at every court level up to the Supreme Court. The exact cost to Mr Obama himself is not known. WHY would they spend "considerable time and money" fighting the production of the document which would either prove he was born in Hawaii or prove that he wasn't? It would take almost no time and very little money to end the controversy, yet your hero refuses to do that. How much is "considerable time and money"? You should know since you claim to be rich. Would it be, in your opinion, far more than the cost of producing the damned document? Or is that beyond your limited ability to grasp? This will be my last post to you since you are non responsive and always answer with bs. Adios.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's the principle of the thing.
... now with Solium™!
Indeed.
By his parentage, Bracko isn't eligible to be president. That's the point. As you're so euridite, maybe you're just too smart for me.
Yes, he's the reaching-downer-to-the-downtrodden or something. But he has an odd way of showing it here to us poor slobs. Would this be a good time to call attention to jewish dualism vs. celtic trios?
... now with Solium™!
It always is. And never about the money or power--ALWAYS THE PRINCIPLE.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Seriously, were you butt raped by a gang of feral priests when you were young ??? No I wasn't an alter boy.
Yes would have sufficed.
Amyone who believes that that there is nothing wrong with someone would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide a document which he could easily produce for less than a hundred, and which would prove that he was actually born in this country (if he was), ain't all there. Your hundreds of thousands of dollars figure is pulled out of your ass. And he released his certificate of live birth and the fruit cakes are still coming out of the wood work.
You need to learn something and learn it quickly. He didn't release a "certificate of live birth". He released a "certification of live birth". See at the top of the page? It says, in plain English, "certification of live birth": According to the State of Hawaii, what he released isn't enough to even prove that he's a native of Hawaii: The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are: In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL. the fruit cakes are still coming out of the wood work. The fruitcakes are the ones that can't accept the simple reality that Obama has NEVER released his Certificate of Live Birth but merely his Certification of Live Birth, two entirely different animals under Hawaiian law.
The White House regards the claims as an irritant and is not responding to questions about them, but lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and Mr Obama himself have spent considerable time and money combating a steady supply of lawsuits at every court level up to the Supreme Court. The exact cost to Mr Obama himself is not known. You are, or seem to be, retarded. Exactly what would constitute "considerable time and money" for someone who has access to millions of dollars? And a Hawaii COLB doesn't mean a lot but then maybe you don't know that. It doesn't list a lot of information that is contained on the long form birth certificate. And anyone can Photoshop just about any document which is what it appears they did with even the limited pos they foisted off on gullible people like you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. C'mon..that was funny...
It's hard to tell funny from serious anymore. I checked this morning. Obama's still not eligible to be president.
And your point is incorrect. What LAW of the US says that a "natural born" citizen is one of two US citizens? Not what philosophy. Not what some guy blogs about 16thh century philosophy but what LAW? The actual LAW of the US is that there are two classes of citizens: NATURAL BORN or NATURALIZED. Period.
I checked again this morning. He IS POTUS.
Show me the relevant data from the era when the US Constitution was written that defined a natural born citizen. Now show me when that definition changed in our era. The actual LAW of the US is that there are two classes of citizens: NATURAL BORN or NATURALIZED Show me the law. I see three types of citizens in the Constitution.
So Bush was also a legit prez in your mind?
he was elected under the procedures set forth in the USCON, i.e., the Electoral College, and which the SCOTUS made painfully clear that my vote and your vote not only mean squar but that we don't have a right to vote for POTUS anyway..
It's easy. Jus sanguinis applies only when a child is born overseas and only then in determining US citizenship. The flaw in your [il]logic is that the US recognizes British jus sanguinis citizenship over its own law. The US, in fact, does not. The US could care less if the chil;d of a non-diplomat has a right to dual citizenship. US citizenship cannot be "watered down" via jus sanguinis if a child is born jus soli. The US does not bifurcate children born on its soil as "ciziten" and "natural born" citizen. And you do not see "three types". You see the estblishment of two. Natural born post-bellum and citizen ab initio bellum.
My point exactly. Thanks for playing and I hope you enjoy the Obamatoon.
INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; ``snip~ Show me where the above law distinguishes between "citizen": and "natural born" citizen. Thanks in advance.
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#156. To: bluegrass (#154)
#157. To: war (#153)
#158. To: war (#156)
#159. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
If he was actually born in Hawaii why wouldn't he just produce that instead of going to all that expense? Does that make sense to you or does it make more sense to believe that he is hiding something?
#160. To: James Deffenbach, bluegrass (#152)
Obama was born in Hawaii. The people telling you that he wasn't born in the US are the usual Jews, globalists and other disinfo artists that wish to always throw us off by injecting fruitless arguments into the mix.
#161. To: TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach (#160)
#162. To: TwentyTwelve (#160)
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Lord Acton
#163. To: bluegrass (#151)
I was born a citizen of the US and a citizen of Ireland.
#164. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
And his relatives in Kenya were all lying?
#165. To: bluegrass (#157)
A while ago you were claiming that there was no 'natural born citizen' clause in the US Constitution.
#166. To: James Deffenbach (#162)
#167. To: war (#166)
Lord Acton
#168. To: war (#165)
I made no such claim.
#169. To: war (#163)
You're natural born.
#170. To: bluegrass (#168)
#171. To: bluegrass (#169)
Who are you to tell me my status?
#172. To: James Deffenbach (#167)
What I am promoting is the truth that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars
#173. To: bluegrass (#169)
#174. To: war (#172)
Lord Acton
#175. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
If he was actually born in Hawaii why wouldn't he just produce that instead of going to all that expense?
#176. To: war, Prefrontal Vortex (#171)
I'm the euridite.
#177. To: war (#170)
I WAS REFERRING To PARENTAGE.
#178. To: bluegrass (#176)
Indeed.
#179. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#175)
It's the principle of the thing.
Lord Acton
#180. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#178)
Would this be a good time to call attention to jewish dualism vs. celtic trios?
#181. To: Rotara (#24)
#182. To: IndieTX (#32)
#183. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
#184. To: Rhino369 (#183)
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he released his certificate of live birth...
Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands
#185. To: Rhino369 (#183)
THIS is from the article that was posted on LP, an article favorable to your hero.
Lord Acton
#186. To: bluegrass (#176)
#187. To: war (#186)
#188. To: bluegrass (#177)
By his parentage, Bracko isn't eligible to be president. That's the point.
#189. To: bluegrass (#187)
I checked this morning. Obama's still not eligible to be president.
#190. To: war (#188)
What LAW of the US says that a "natural born" citizen is one of two US citizens?
#191. To: war (#189)
He IS POTUS.
#192. To: bluegrass (#191)
So Bush was also a legit prez in your mind?
#193. To: bluegrass (#190)
Show me the law. I see three types of citizens in the Constitution.
#194. To: war (#192)
which the SCOTUS made painfully clear that my vote and your vote not only mean squar but that we don't have a right to vote for POTUS anyway..
#195. To: bluegrass (#190)
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