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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
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There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual. Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you. IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty. lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace
Poster Comment: The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.
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#41. To: war (#38)
And "war" loves communists and thinks illegal aliens are just as good for president as actual Americans. If you think that you calling me a "moonbat" bothers me you are crazier than I thought you were. And no one from Hawaii laid anything to rest and they didn't with that photoshop pos they put on the internet either. That is NOT a long form birth certificate but then you already know that. You are like lucysmom trying to defend the indefensible. As for whether she can post here or not I would assume she can if she chooses to. Not that she would find many "like minded" people here because there don't seem to be many socialists and communists on this board.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yowzah what musckles you have... You are such a MORRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN. "Pick on a girl"? You make it sound like I actually hit her or something. I posted her own stupid words! If that is "picking on a girl" so be it. As for whether or not she can respond that is not up to me. She can probably register and respond as much as she wants here OR she can bitch and whine all she wants to where she is. But none of that will change her words and her defense of the indefensible (making her a lot like you).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. #5. To: James Deffenbach (#0) (Edited) That dumb b*tch needs a 7 iron wrapped around her pin head. Rotara posted on 2009-03-03 22:02:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply You disagreed with this poster's sentiments where?
YOu have absolutely no station to determine what I love or don't love. I've probably created more wealth in 1 week than you have in a lifetime.
Now I am responsible for things other people post? And Obama can't be bothered to show his long form birth certificate to serve in the highest elected office the country has? I had to show one to get a freakin' passport! Why is he so much better than other Americans? Or is he just that much better to you clowns who worship at the Obamasiah's altar?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Who said anything about money? You sound like Badeye bragging about $#it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You have probably created and posted more bs in a week than a show dog could jump over in a month. And why are you bragging about what you may, or may not, have done? You know nothing about me other than the fact that I don't much care for the guy you seem so enthralled with, the one who can't be bothered to respond to legitimate questions about where he was actually born. He seems to be a lot like Clinton and thinks that the office of President is his by right.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You RESPONDED to that post saying that she was CRIMINALLY INSANE which in and of itself is an insane response.
I'm not enthralled with Obama. He is what we have which is infinitely better than what we had.
She seems to be way around the bend to me. I call 'em as I see 'em. If you don't like it that's just too bad I guess.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No, he isn't. He's worse. They get worse with every election. People who have their eyes open know that. Only dimwitted, tv-addled ninnies think they get better.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Now that is some good Klinton-speak right there. He must be a lawyer.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON
You are insane to believe so. Then again you're a birther which is the greatest Moonbat issue to come down the pike since the Clinton Death List and "We Blowed Up The WTC". Booosh squandered a path to semi-fiscal responsibility...he was asleep at just about every switch for which he had responsibility. In the history of this republic his only rival for incompetence is Buchanon. You have 0 foundation upon which to base that statement about Obama - especially less than 60 days into his term.
Not a lawyer, a euridite.
Said the "man" who believes that a plot was hatched 48 years ago to cover up Obama's true birth and citizenship and continues on to this day at all levels of government... Excuse me if you rate -273 Kelvin on the credibility scale.
I think he used the term "Reichstag fire." "False flag" is not in these folks' dictionary. It's evident that there is a commie-izzy camp and an anti-commie-izzy camp. Weiner belongs to the latter. It seems to me that the latter are really pro-USA both in sentiment and interest. The interest being that the US is the hand that feeds izzy, and that it is not wise to bite it. I do not trust any of them, however. They're all working for the same clique. I am struck by Weiner's vehemence, and I believe that he may well believe the things he says himself.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. There is no doubt in my mind that if I were allowed five Obama, on the other hand, is much brighter than Shrub, he can work a real crowd.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
He revs up the rubes. I find him tedious, especially when he's got his megaphone on telling us what "we've gotta do."
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. There is no such requirement to be natural born. Children born on US soil of non-citizen immigrants are natural born.
The bland face of evil And I'm here to help!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Yet you take a guy like Mikey Weiner, a Jew espousing the tenets of National Socialism [borders, language, culture] warning of a Reichstag fire seriously... This same guy claimed that Clinton was going to declare martial law and not leave office...
The democrats should do something about that. Yes, blast those infernal democrats, letting this nonsense slide!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Well yeah, that is some fine Klintonian alright. I guess it is required in his circles.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, the sob just wants to continue Bush's stupid bailout policies and widen the wars we are involved in. Some hero you have there, ya moron. And the presidents get worse every election. Your hero is not going to break that pattern.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No sensible person would give a $#it how they "rate" with you. I assure you it won't keep me awake at night.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The problem is, JD, "sensible" to you means believing that a conspiracty was hatched 48 years ago...yada yada yada...
And "sensible" to you seems to be droning like your daddy, Badeye, about money. Mr. "I've probably created more wealth in 1 week than you have in a lifetime" ah. Bite me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It is all of no use, James. You may struggle as you might, you'll make no headway with Lord Kelvin Erudite.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. You may struggle as you might, you'll make no headway with Lord Kelvin Erudite. LOL! I already knew he was pretty much a hopeless case having read much of his fawning over the black prince on LP. Hard to believe he brought it here.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord, how we struggle with these refugees. Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I can only assume ignorance or trollery on your part. Either way, you're incorrect. You know full well that of two requirements to be president, one of them is that he be a natural born citzen. Children born on US soil of non-citizen immigrants are natural born. Natural born citizens, according to the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, are those people born on US soil of two US citizen parents. That ain't Barack.
LOL! Another socialist, a woman named Emma Lazarus, wrote that inscription. I am afraid the politicians took that to heart a bit too literally. Nothing wrong with helping the people you can, as an individual, but a countries immigration policy should not be based on a poem no matter how pretty or well intentioned the author might be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL That one there isn't worth the time.
That's why I only gave him/her a few sentences. ; )
Nope. I am 100% correct. You cannot distinguish between a person born in the US of immigrants versus those born of native born or naturalized. The plain language of the 14th mendment states what? All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. It does not separate those who are born in to classes of citizens based upon simple parentage. Obama was born in Hawaii...he was not the child of a diplomat and therefore immune from US law.
Nope.
The 14th amendment has nothing to do with eligibility for president. That eligibility is stated in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Well that's just a plain stupid statement given that it defines federal citizenship.
Feel free to show where in Article II your specific definition of "natural born" is found. Thanks.
For whatever it's worth: Natural-Born Citizen Defined by P.A. Madison One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced. Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.” The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.” Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866)) Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Secretary of State Bayard ruled under Section 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes in 1885 that although Richard Greisser was born in the United States, his father at the time of his birth was a subject of Germany, and thus, Richard Greisser could not be a citizen of the United States. Furthermore, it was held his father was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment. The constitutional requirement for the President of the United States to be a natural-born citizen had one purpose according to St. George Tucker: Additionally, Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.” What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues. Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father. UPDATE: I came across this interesting speech by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Langdon Cheves, in February of 1814: The children have a natural attachment to the society in which they are born: being obliged to acknowledge the protection it has granted to their fathers, they are obliged to it in a great measure for their birth and education. … We have just observed that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man born free, the son of a citizen, arrived at years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society for which he was destined by his birth.Cheves is obviously drawing on the works of Emer de Vattel, Law of Nations. Not something you would expect from the Speaker of the House of a Nation that supposedly adopted England’s common law. UPDATE II: Rep. A. Smyth (VA), House of Representatives, December 1820: When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him. Savage v. Umphries (TX) 118 S. W. 893, 909: I highlighted/bolded the parts of this that say citizenship is transferred from the FATHER because the Obamasiah's alleged father was a Kenyan, not an American. And since he was most likely born in Kenya to a mother who could not, under the laws current at that time, transfer her citizenship, it seems that Obama is not eligible to be President.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I've seen tyhat fish before. First off, there is not Federal Common law found in the USCON. Secondly, thoise quotes pre-date the 14th which defined citizen at birth. Thirdly, those are opinions NOT law.
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Lord Acton
#42. To: war (#36)
You are such a MAAAAN...not only did you pick on a girl you did so where she could not respond.
Lord Acton
#43. To: James Deffenbach, Rotara (#42)
"Pick on a girl"? You make it sound like I actually hit her or something.
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#41)
#45. To: war, Rotara (#43)
Lord Acton
#46. To: war (#44)
Lord Acton
#47. To: war (#44)
I've probably created more wealth in 1 week than you have in a lifetime.
Lord Acton
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
#49. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
#50. To: war (#48)
You RESPONDED to that post saying that she was CRIMINALLY INSANE which in and of itself is an insane response.
Lord Acton
#51. To: war (#49)
I'm not enthralled with Obama. He is what we have which is infinitely better than what we had.
Lord Acton
#52. To: James Deffenbach, all (#51)
(Edited)
I'm not enthralled with Obama. He is what we have which is infinitely better than what we had.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
He's worse.
#54. To: IndieTX (#52)
Now that is some good Klinton-speak right there. He must be a lawyer.
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
She seems to be way around the bend to me.
#56. To: Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, bluegrass (#22)
With him saying false flags are coming,
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#57. To: war (#49)
(Edited)
I'm not enthralled with Obama. He is what we have which is infinitely better than what we had.
minutes seconds with FmrPrez-noHerbertJr it would end with my being dragged away in less than peaceful repose.
#58. To: Dakmar (#57)
he can work a real crowd.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#59. To: bluegrass (#31)
That being said, his father's foreign citizenship immediately makes him ineligible to be president as a natural born citizen is someone born on American soil of two citizen parents. Obama doesn't fit the bill and he knows it.
#60. To: randge (#58)
I find him tedious, especially when he's got his megaphone on telling us what "we've gotta do."
#61. To: randge (#58)
I find him tedious, especially when he's got his megaphone on telling us what "we've gotta do."
#62. To: war (#61)
#63. To: IndieTX (#52)
Now that is some good Klinton-speak right there. He must be a lawyer.
Lord Acton
#64. To: war (#53)
You have 0 foundation upon which to base that statement about Obama - especially less than 60 days into his term.
Lord Acton
#65. To: war (#55)
Excuse me if you rate -273 Kelvin on the credibility scale.
Lord Acton
#66. To: James Deffenbach (#65)
No sensible person would give a $#it how they "rate" with you.
#67. To: war (#66)
Lord Acton
#68. To: James Deffenbach (#67)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#69. To: randge (#68)
It is all of no use, James.
Lord Acton
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#69)
I already knew he was pretty much a hopeless case having read much of his fawning over the black prince on LP. Hard to believe he brought it here.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#71. To: war, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, randge (#59)
There is no such requirement to be natural born.
#72. To: randge (#70)
Lord, how we struggle with these refugees.
Lord Acton
#73. To: bluegrass (#71)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#74. To: Rotara (#73)
#75. To: bluegrass (#71)
Either way, you're incorrect.
#76. To: bluegrass (#71)
Natural born citizens, according to the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, are those people born on US soil of two US citizen parents.
#77. To: war (#75)
The plain language of the 14th mendment states what?
#78. To: bluegrass (#77)
The 14th amendment has nothing to do with eligibility for president.
#79. To: bluegrass (#77)
That eligibility is stated in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.
#80. To: bluegrass (#71)
(Edited)
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural- born_citizen_defined.html That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to he dreaded more than the plague. The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom. … The title of king, prince, emperor, or czar, without the smallest addition to his powers, would have rendered him a member of the fraternity of crowned heads: their common cause has more than once threatened the desolation of Europe. To have added a member to this sacred family in America, would have invited and perpetuated among us all the evils of Pandora’s Box.
Lord Acton
#81. To: James Deffenbach (#80)
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