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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
Source: LP
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 11373
Comments: 261

There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual.

Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you.

IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty.

lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace


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The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.

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#7. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

The Savage brought this topic up this evening.

He has a hard on about it and just won't quit. Thought that he had dropped this after the mis-Inauguration, but I really think that he's serious about his non- native birth.

He spent a lot of time drawing parallels between O and Mussolini, and had the megaphone out (OBAMA HAS CREATED THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES).

He also said tonight that 'Bama will create his own brownshirts, and that he and Emanuel will create a Reichtags fire offering them the opportunity to round up dissidents.

Savage made a point of saying that you can bet your bottom dollar on it.

randge  posted on  2009-03-03   22:24:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge, James Deffenbach (#7) (Edited)

The Savage brought this topic up this evening.

He has a hard on about it and just won't quit. Thought that he had dropped this after the mis- Inauguration, but I really think that he's serious about his non- native birth...

Obama isn't eligible to be prez for one reason alone: he's not a natural born citizen due to his father's Kenyan/British citzenship. Anyone like Savage or Corsi that injects the "he wasn't born on American soil" is throwing a needless diversion into the mix.

Philip Berg pushed the 'was he born in Hawaii?' case and utterly ignored Obama's dual citizenship. Berg, Savage and Corsi are all old-school Zionists that would love to bury any speculation about dual citizenship.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-04   12:12:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: bluegrass (#21)

If he was born in Kenya, as his Kenyan grandmother and some of his other relatives there claim, that alone would disqualify him because his mother could not have passed on her American citizenship to him under the law as it existed at that time.

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Here is a "birth certificate" that is just as good as the one they Photoshopped and claimed that it proved he was born in Hawaii.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-04   13:40:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: James Deffenbach (#30)

I believe that he was born in Hawaii. That being said, his father's foreign citizenship immediately makes him ineligible to be president as a natural born citizen is someone born on American soil of two citizen parents. Obama doesn't fit the bill and he knows it.

Priceless

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-04   14:13:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: bluegrass (#31)

That being said, his father's foreign citizenship immediately makes him ineligible to be president as a natural born citizen is someone born on American soil of two citizen parents. Obama doesn't fit the bill and he knows it.

There is no such requirement to be natural born. Children born on US soil of non-citizen immigrants are natural born.

war  posted on  2009-03-04   21:23:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, randge (#59)

There is no such requirement to be natural born.

I can only assume ignorance or trollery on your part. Either way, you're incorrect. You know full well that of two requirements to be president, one of them is that he be a natural born citzen.

Children born on US soil of non-citizen immigrants are natural born.

Natural born citizens, according to the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, are those people born on US soil of two US citizen parents. That ain't Barack.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-05   5:10:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: bluegrass (#71)

Either way, you're incorrect.

Nope. I am 100% correct. You cannot distinguish between a person born in the US of immigrants versus those born of native born or naturalized. The plain language of the 14th mendment states what?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

It does not separate those who are born in to classes of citizens based upon simple parentage. Obama was born in Hawaii...he was not the child of a diplomat and therefore immune from US law.

war  posted on  2009-03-05   7:35:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#75)

The plain language of the 14th mendment states what?

The 14th amendment has nothing to do with eligibility for president. That eligibility is stated in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-05   7:44:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: bluegrass (#77)

The 14th amendment has nothing to do with eligibility for president.

Well that's just a plain stupid statement given that it defines federal citizenship.

war  posted on  2009-03-05   7:46:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: war (#78)

Well that's just a plain stupid statement given that it defines federal citizenship.

"Federal" citizenship is also the device used to keep you a slave to the IRS and the Social Insecurity system. Are you sure you want to argue in favor of it?

Regardless, the 14th amendment has nothing to do with eligibility for president.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-05   7:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: bluegrass (#85)

"Federal" citizenship is also the device used to keep you a slave to the IRS and the Social Insecurity system. Are you sure you want to argue in favor of it?

Different argument.

war  posted on  2009-03-05   8:08:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: war (#89)

Different argument.

You brought it up. The 14th amendment has nothing to do with presidential eligibility.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-05   8:59:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: bluegrass (#93)

You brought it up. The 14th amendment has nothing to do with presidential eligibility.

If you keep repeating it do you hope that it will morph into the truth?

Your argument is in response to the question "What constitutes a 'natural born citizen'?" and your counter claim to the 14th amendment definition of "citizen" is to say that it doesn't apply to...wait for it...the definition of a citizen.

Your argument fails the most basic test of logic.

war  posted on  2009-03-05   9:13:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: war, randge, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom (#96)

Since you keep bringing up the 14th amendment, here's what the Father of the 14th amendment, John Bingham, had to say about citizenship:

[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen... http://www.1 4thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html

Even by Bingham's understanding, Obama's not a natural born citizen.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-05   9:26:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#98. To: bluegrass (#97)

"Not owing foreign allegience" is a reference to the diplomatic reference in the amedment.

Nice try...

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