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Title: Is lucysmom As Gullible and Naive as her posts indicate? Could it be possible?
Source: LP
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=257643#C32
Published: Mar 3, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-03-03 16:27:49 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1866
Comments: 261

There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here. This kind of abuse of the court system is rightly condemned by conservatives when the target of the suits are corporations but now applauded when the target is an individual.

Any looney tune can file a suit and issue a subpoena requesting any personal information he desires (you don't even need a lawyer to do it) and the target is forced to respond. It could even happen to you.

IMHO, there is something obscene about demanding the scope of personal information that these suits are after. The "birthers" demand the right to poke through the details of Obama's early life longing for anything to use against him. They are using the court system to harass and hound while wrapping them selves in the noble cloak of patriotism. They make the word dirty.

lucysmom posted on 2009-03-03 10:40:46 ET Reply Trace

Poster Comment:

The "birthers" are merely asking for actual PROOF that Obama is in fact an AMERICAN. His long form birth certificate, which could be produced at almost no cost, could confirm that he is or prove that he is not. Why is he and the DNC spending huge sums of money to keep it hidden if it actually proves that he is a citizen? I suspect that it proves the opposite for there would be no other reason not to disclose it.

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Are you also looking for chapter and verse from a court that it's daytime when the sun shines? Do you need someone to show you how to wipe your bum too?

Nope. Just the law as is applicable to support your argument will suffice.

But thanks for offering.

war  posted on  2009-03-06   13:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wha...huh?

My point was that regardless of what's said, US law tacitly recognizes dual citizenship by virtue of that paragraph.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   13:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just the law as is applicable to support your argument will suffice.

The law is the US Constitution. As Obama's using technicalities to fend off questions (much like the Bush administration did), it's up to him to prove that he is what he claims to be rather than hide behind other lawyers.

But please, knock yourself out and act like the Bushbots did when confronted with questions about their magical chimp.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point was that regardless of what's said, US law tacitly recognizes dual citizenship by virtue of that paragraph.

Actually, what the US recognizes, op cit, is that its declarations of citizenship are superior to any foreign claims thereof or do you need the word "paramout" defined for you?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   14:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're agreeing that Obama was born a dual citizen?

If so, why does the Constitution (the law) make a distinction between natural born citizens, citizens and naturalized citizens?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The law is the US Constitution.

PART of the law is the US Constitution. Part of the law is also what Congress legislates

Articlke VI USCON

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

it's up to him to prove that he is what he claims

One must "prove" only what the law compels him to prove or, absent any law, what those, e.g. a judge, acting legally under the color of law compel one to do. Obama has not been so compelled and for good reason; that good reason is that there is no reason...

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're agreeing that Obama was born a dual citizen?

I haven't seen the actual British law. So I have no idea. And it's irrelevant anyway. He IS a natural born citizen.

If so, why does the Constitution (the law) make a distinction between natural born citizens, citizens and naturalized citizens?

Asked and answered.

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5 b):

Citizenship by descent.

5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State

~snip~

Do you have any proof that Obama's birth was registered at a British consulate within one year of his birth?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama admits he was born with dual nationality. Are you saying Obama's wrong about his citizenship?

BTW, was McCain a natural born citizen?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BTW, was McCain a natural born citizen?

If he was actually boron on base yes. If not...no. His BC claims that he was born on base.

Obama admits he was born with dual nationality.

As if I'd take your word for it. How many laws do you need to see or do you just enjoy being pummelled?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have any proof that Obama's birth was registered at a British consulate within one year of his birth?

You're parsing it incorrectly:

"that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence"

Kenya was a Brit colony, not "other".

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Kenya was a Brit colony, not "other".

"That person" is Obama...or do you not understand what "citizen by descent" means?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His BC claims that he was born on base.

Incorrect. His BC says he was born in Colon Hospital in the city of Colon (rather apt for the asshole).

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ack. I was thinking Sr., not Jr.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Incorrect...

Interesting...thought that he was born on base but registered the birth at the hospital. No?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But please, knock yourself out and act like the Bushbots did when confronted with questions about their magical chimp.

LOL! What is it about the letters R and D that make idol worshippers out of the delusional folks amongst us?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   15:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ack. I was thinking Sr., not Jr.

Dude...no worries...I have to stop and read and re-read because I get confused too...

IN RE: MCCain...I recall what it was now...Jus sanguinis provision of US xitizenship that makes him natural born. Also, and IIRC, there was some sort of registry of births that was kept rather than BC's issued at the installation. For some reason, McCain's birth doesn't appear in that registry which is what caused the controversy.

The law is probably vaguer in McCain's case than it is in Obama's the pplication thereof to the latter I believe is very clear cut.

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is it about the letters R and D that make idol worshippers out of the delusional folks amongst us?

Wherein this whole exchange have I argued or advocated from any standing other than what i could support with the law?

war  posted on  2009-03-06   15:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The law is probably vaguer in McCain's case than it is in Obama's the pplication thereof to the latter I believe is very clear cut.

This goes to a larger point that's probably more valid than what we've been arguing: I think that the powers-that-be put up two borderline ineligible candidates of the usual narcissistic tendencies. It's lose- lose for us and win-win for the powers-that-be while us proles dicker about whoever won the mudwrestling match.

It's one step from McCain/Obama to putting someone even worse into office down the road. That's their endgame.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wherein this whole exchange have I argued or advocated from any standing other than what i could support with the law?

Again, larger point: we can argue back and forth all day long but there is no specific law regarding what either of us is arguing. There's case examples, opinion, court briefs, etc.

In the end, this is new ground. The powers that be love this shit.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is it about the letters R and D that make idol worshippers out of the delusional folks amongst us?

I work the opposite. If I see an R or a D, I assume they're a bought and paid for whore. I had brief hope for Ron Paul....

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   15:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well...when you remove the debate from the law to the what we end up with in office we're all arguing about a different pizza pie altogether...

war  posted on  2009-03-06   16:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have always liked Ron. I can be disappointed in someone sometimes but that doesn't automatically make me dislike them. In my opinion they probably threatened Ron's family because I don't think he would have backed down if they had only threatened him. I realize that my opinion may not be correct and I certainly have no proof but I believe Ron knows that bad things happen to people who make life unpleasant for the wrong crowd.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   16:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

when you remove the debate from the law

What law? The only law that there is to reference is the Constitution. If two reasonably intelligent people like us can't come to an agreement, you can bet your bippy that stuffed suit dipshits will never figure it out.

Hence two ineligibles like Obama/McCain are put on display for a population that thinks American Idol is entertaining.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   16:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All Ron needed to do is to say, "My family's been threatened."

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   16:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's one step from McCain/Obama to putting someone even worse into office down the road.

The proof of that is that they get worse with every election. I thought the country had scraped the bottom of the barrel with Clinton but then we got Bush. He found a shovel and started digging the hole deeper. And in less than two months the Obamasiah is proving to be worse than Bush.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   16:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We'll end up with Dracula after Obama.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-06   16:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL! The problem is that there probably won't be anything much left in four years with that scumbag doing the bidding of his masters (the bankers--they own him just like they did Bush and Clinton--McCain too for that matter but he just gets to be one whore out of 100 in the Senate).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   16:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So in retrospect, voting for Obama would have been the correct thing to do, if not exactly for the same reasons core Duh Duh Duh democrats have in mind? I'm all for wrecking the system, but not giving it away piecemeal to DC/London/Wall St insiders.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-03-06   16:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't have any problem with "wrecking the system" but I am afraid the front men who are put up for the gullible sheeple to vote for (or against) are intent on wrecking America. And America is not "the system" I want to see wrecked.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   16:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans aren't a system, we're people, just people.

In the meantime, can you help me line up some investors to help make my dream of adapting The Great Gatsby into a musical ice-skating show a reality?

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-03-06   16:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You should just put an ad in a little free paper and the investors should flock to you. How could a great idea like that fail?    >(;^[}

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   17:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wouldn't the Clintons be perfect as Tom and Daisy? And who knows, maybe they could pick up some endorsement deals along the way.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-03-06   17:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you can get some Chinese investors I am sure the Clintons would be glad to star in your production.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-06   18:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll start making phone calls.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-03-06   18:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What law?

Pick one.

But I mistook "ineligible" in your post for "unqualified".

war  posted on  2009-03-07   10:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gotham Stakes at Aqueduct today. Race 9 Mr. Fantasy #5 to win.

Exacta 5-6 (Haynesfield)

Trifecta 5-6-7 (Imperial Council)

Wish me luck. I'm running up to the simulcasting facility shortly.

I think post time is 4:18 p.m. local

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-03-07   10:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks...interesting sequence...ironic, I should say...

OTB here I come...

war  posted on  2009-03-07   12:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh well. Exciting race. I Want Revenge opened it up down the stretch for the impressive win.

I backed up my win bet with a show bet (Mr. Fantasy) and have a ticket to cash next time I hit the track. My $60 ($40W/$20S) got me back $30 - $3.00 on the show.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-03-07   16:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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