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Title: The Gun Ban list is out
Source: Gun Laws of America
URL Source: http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm
Published: Mar 2, 2009
Author: Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
Post Date: 2009-03-04 01:03:11 by Rotara
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Views: 872
Comments: 36

I just received the following:

Subject: The Gun Ban list is out.

Here it is folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did. Please send this to everyone you can. It will come up for a vote, and it might even be a secret vote if Madame Pelosi has her way, and then it will be a done deal. ...thanks to Colonel Rus...Hal.

Right to own a gun Remember, The first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Subject: Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin, Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list. Forward or send to every gun owner you know...Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America. Jan. 5, 2008. Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress) It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity, It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

a.. M1 Carbine,
b.. Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
c.. AR-15,
d.. Bushmaster XM15,
e.. Armalite M15,
f.. AR-10,
g.. Thompson 1927,
h.. Thompson M1;
i.. AK,
j.. AKM,
k.. AKS,
l.. AK-47,
m.. AK-74,
n.. ARM,
o.. MAK90,
p.. NHM 90,
q.. NHM 91,
r.. SA 85,
s.. SA 93,
t.. VEPR;
u.. Olympic Arms PCR;
v.. AR70,
w.. Calico Liberty ,
x.. Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
y.. Fabrique National FN/FAL,
z.. FN/LAR, or FNC,
aa.. Hi-Point20Carbine,
ab.. HK-91,
ac.. HK-93,
ad.. HK-94,
ae.. HK-PSG-1,
af.. Thompson 1927 Commando,
ag.. Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
ah.. Saiga,
ai.. SAR-8,
aj.. SAR-4800,
ak.. SKS with detachable magazine,
al.. SLG 95,
am.. SLR 95 or 96,
an.. Steyr AU,
ao.. Tavor,
ap.. Uzi,
aq.. Galil and Uzi Sporter,
ar.. Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

a.. Calico M-110,
b.. MAC-10,
c.. MAC-11, or MPA3,
d.. Olympic Arms OA,
e.. TEC-9,
f.. TEC-DC9,
g.. TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
h.. Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
a.. Armscor 30 BG,
b.. SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
c.. Striker 12,
d.. Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.


Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).

A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.


Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will:

Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General." Note that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home.

In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

I must be getting old. Is this going to ban and confiscate those already owned and/or require "registration" of currently owned weapons?

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-04   1:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

People need to study more history. From my perspective, we are living in a time that resembles the 1750's and 1760's - politically speaking. The politically well connected and their agents openly steal from the common man, ignore fundamental (e.g. unalienable) rights and generally drive the people towards destruction. America was founded by geniuses but has been "led" by thieves for several generations. Most people who live in America today do not understand that they are being played for fools and robbed of their birth rights by the political class. Until they understand this cold hard fact, a restoration of their rights is not possible. This latest proposed "gun ban" is a simple extension of a long line of usurpations that is completely predictable.

Those of us that understand what it means to be an American (and the great honor and responsibility it gives) need to work with our children and grand children to educate them and give them the tools (knowledge and skills) to stand up to tyrants - in any form. They need to know the law (natural) and they need to know where they stand in the chain of command (at the top right next to their maker). They need to know how to stand up for their unalienable rights as NO ONE ELSE CAN DO IT FOR THEM. The must also resolve to be free or die. When that occurs in sufficient scale, America can be restored as the greatest political experiment in history.

Unfortunately, many of the folks on this forum do not really know what it means to be an American, so we have a long way to go.

Restoration is hard work, so we better get to it.

WorkingDog

I picked this up making the rounds at some of the lesser forums.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IndieTX, sneakypete (#1)

sp is usually right on and here's what he said at el pee:

42. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#36)

When is this gun ban going to take effect, and what about those who already own what is on the list?

I'm not Gary,but it will go into effect within 30 days of being signed into law (it has to be published in the feral register and circulated first),and people who already own weapons on that list will be required to turn them in or face arrest.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-03-03   07:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#0)

 

Death by "Gun Control"

by Aaron Zelman and Richard W. Stevens

Introduction by James Bovard

It shows the connection between gun control and genocide.


See The "DEATH CHART" below!



Why must all decent non-violent people fight against "gun control"? Why is the right to keep and bear arms truly a fundamental individual right? You can find the answers in this new book.

People frequently ask why we are so dedicated to our cause? This book answers that question by collecting the key facts and arguments in one place.

People have asked us to present the whole JPFO argument in one place. We have done it. Available now in an easy-reading format and a handy size, the new book is entitled Death by Gun Control: The Human Cost of Victim Disarmament.

The message is simple: Disarmed people are neither free nor safe - they become the criminals' prey and the tyrants' playthings. When the civilians are defenseless and their government goes bad, however, thousands and millions of innocents die.

Professor R.J. Rummel, author of the monumental book Death by Government, said: "Concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth." For power to concentrate and become dangerous, the citizens must be disarmed.

What disarms the citizens? The idea of "gun control." It's the idea that only the government has the right to possess firearms, and that citizens have no unalienable right to use force to defend against aggression.

Death by Gun Control carefully examines the "gun control" idea: its meaning, its purposes, its effects. It comes in many forms, but in every form it enables the evildoers and works against righteous defense.

The Mother of All Stats

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Ideas

© JPFO.org 2002
Government

DatesTargetsCiviliams Killed  "Gun Control" Laws   Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme 

Ottoman Turkey1915-1917Armenians
(mostly Christians)
1-1.5 million

Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915
• Permits required •Government list of owners
•Ban on possession
Soviet Union

1929-1945Political opponents;
farming communities
20 millionResolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920

Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926

•Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession
•Severe penalties
Nazi Germany

& Occupied Europe

1933-1945Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples"
20 million

Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938
•Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws

•Ban on possession

China, Nationalist1927-1949Political opponents;
army conscripts; others

10 millionArt. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935
•Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership

China, Red1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976
Political opponents;
Rural populations

Enemies of the state

20-35 millionAct of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957
•Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"

Guatemala1960-1981Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies
100,000-

200,000

Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964
•Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees

•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers

Uganda1971-1979Christians

Political enemies

300,000Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970
•Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions

•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers

Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge)
1975-1979Educated Persons;

Political enemies

2 millionArt. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
•Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
•Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly

Rwanda1994Tutsi people800,000Decree-Law No. 12, 1979•Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify

need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers

When the gun prohibitionists quote a statistic about how many people are killed by firearms misuse, the discussion sometimes bogs down into whose crime stats to believe and how to count crimes vs. the defensive firearm uses. Death by Gun Control works on a level that nobody can dispute: documented world history.

In the 20th Century:

  • Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
  • Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

Truth They Cannot Refute

Death by Gun Control delivers the essential - and gut wrenching -- truth that the anti-self defense "gun control" advocates never try to refute. They simply cannot refute the facts or the formula.

Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide

What makes the argument so powerful? Two factors. First, it makes common sense: unarmed defenseless people have no hope against armed aggressors. Second, it states the historical truth: evil governments did wipe out 170,000,000 innocent non-military lives in the 20th Century alone.

Using the facts in Death by Gun Control, you can take down the enemies of the Bill of Rights. The rights-destroyers have no answers to these facts. They have no excuses for their killer ideas.

JPFO's work has already borne fruit. John R. Bolton, an under-Secretary of State for the United States, this year urged the United Nations to recognize how an "oppressed non-state group defending itself from a genocidal government" will need ready access to firearms. Mr. Bolton might have been the first U.S. official in modern history to have argued to the UN that private citizens might need to be armed against their own killer governments.

Paul Harvey, the world-renowned and much admired radio commentator, last year reportedly broadcast the JPFO-produced facts linking "gun control" to the genocide of millions of unarmed civilians. Country by country, Mr. Harvey counted the murdered victims of civilian disarmament policies.

Our new book could inspire other opinion-makers to join the chorus. Chapters in the book teach about:

  • The essential meaning of "gun control"
  • The Genocide Formula
  • The laws and policies that led to mega murder in Cambodia, China, Nazi Germany, Guatemala, Rwanda, Ottoman Turkey, Uganda, USSR
  • Zimbabwe's land invasions and firearms confiscations
  • Soaring crime in Britain after gun prohibition
  • Violence and police state polices in Japan
  • The right and duty of armed self-defense in Judaism and both Protestant and Catholic Christianity
  • Racist roots of "gun control" in America
  • The United Nations program to disarm civilians worldwide
  • Police state polices that condition Americans to accept victim disarmament

Contributors: Leading Lights for Liberty

There is much more. Death by Gun Control features articles contributed by:

  • James Bovard (Introduction): "Not every firearms regulation leads inexorably to genocide. ... But there is no trigger guard on political ambition."
  • Stephen Halbrook, Ph.D. (Chapter 9): How Nazi firearms laws disarmed German Jews -- the whole story.
  • Jacob Hornberger (Chapter 10): Retelling the tragic, inspiring tale of The White Rose Society, college students who paid the ultimate price for freedom of mind.

  • Larry Pratt (Chapter 18): What the Bible says to Christians and Jews about self-defense and victim disarmament.

Endorsed by Experts

Honestly, is this book any good? Ask David Kopel, scholar at the Independence Institute and author of several books and many articles on firearms ownership and public policy. Mr. Kopel honored our book, saying that Death by Gun Control is "one of the best books ever written about the right to keep and bear arms."

There are many excellent books that advance our understanding of the right to keep and bear arms, the Second Amendment and the American liberty philosophy. Death by Gun Control is unique because it alone drives directly to the heart of the matter: that "gun control" ideas kill - both overseas and here in the U.S.A.

Breaking News: Wave good-bye to the era when Americans could say "it can't happen here." After the September 11 terror attack that killed 3,000 people, Americans no longer ignore "foreign" nations and the history of the world. America has been plunged deep into a perilous world, and our citizens are learning about war and invasion and attack and defense. The lesson of the 20th Century genocides cannot be dismissed any more. The logic of personal self-defense is hitting home. Death by Gun Control is perfectly timed to influence people during this window of opportunity. Order extra copies to spread the word.

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ISBN 0-9642304-6-1
Pages: xiii, 338
Includes index
Size: 8.5-inches by 5.5-inches

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Death by "Gun Control" provides a vital and neglected argument for the right of private gun ownership: namely, that people with guns can defend themselves against government criminals as well as against common ones. Zelman and Stevens present the argument eloquently and with meticulous scholarship. Although the stories of governmental persecution are heart breaking, this book is a pleasure to read because of its clear-sighted and humanitarian concern for the victims who were stripped of self-defense.

Wendy McElroy
Author, editor of the forthcoming anthology Women and Liberty (Ivan R. Dee publisher, winter 2001), and regular columnist for FOXNews.com.



An excellent, well-written book that should be read by everyone interested in firearms policy. Zelman and Stevens prove beyond any doubt that gun control is a necessary precondition for genocide. The book details how anti-gun laws undermine the sanctity of human life, how such laws denigrate tolerance and diversity, and how gun control violates the moral principles of the Judeo-Christian tradition. One of the best books ever written about the right to keep and bear arms.

David Kopel
Research Director, the Independence Institute (www.i2i.org)
Author of several books, including No More Wacos: What's Wrong with Federal Law Enforcement and How to Fix It (Prometheus Books)



Riveting. Electrifying. Sobering. Death by "Gun Control" is a wake-up call to all who love liberty. It should be required reading in every home and school.

Richard Poe
Author, The Seven Myths of Gun Control
Editor, FrontPageMagazine.com



Death by "Gun Control" explains the fundamentals in such a lucid, accessible way that you could give the book to your middle schooler as a first primer on the value of an armed citizenry. At the same time, it's so packed with well-organized information that experienced gun-rights activists and researchers should keep it close at hand for intellectual ammunition. I thought I'd read a lot on this topic; but Aaron and Richard taught me things I'd never known and gave me new ways of looking at familiar concepts. This is a seriously valuable book.

Claire Wolfe
Author of 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution and co-author of The State vs. the People



Zelman and Stevens tell the story we all must know -- how successful twentieth century tyrants knew they had to disarm their people before they could torture and kill them. The power of their story makes clear our imperative -- to preserve at all costs the natural right of self defense and its corollary, the right to keep and bear arms.

Timothy Wheeler, MD
Director
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership, a Project of The Claremont Institute



George Santayana wrote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." In the 20th Century, nuclear weapons were used by government to kill a few hundred thousand people, whereas "gun control" was used by governments to pave the way for killing over 100,000,000 people. Read this book to understand how and why we must help prevent the 21st century from repeating the government destruction of life and liberty of the past century - we cannot afford another like it."

Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw
Scientists and authors of the No. 1 bestseller Life Extension, A Practical Scientific Approach

 


Copyright © 2005 JPFO. All Rights Reserved.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:19:22 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#3)

45. To: All (#38)

Guess what? I'm not turning them in,I'm not going to register them,and I'm not going to deny owning them.

BTW,I'm not going to bury or hide anything,either. If you plan on doing either,you might as well go ahead and turn them in for all the good they are going to do you. You won't be able to reach them when and if you need them,and even if you could,you still WOULDN'T use them or you would have never buried or hid them to begin with.

If you aren't willing to use them against tyranny and un-Constitutional behavior when the authorities come to illegally take them from you ,WHEN WILL YOU BE WILLING TO USE THEM?

The answer is "Never". Go ahead and turn them in and be done with it.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-03-03   08:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#5)

The Gun Control Genocide Chart

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TwentyTwelve (#4)

Great Book !

The Mother of All Stats

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Ideas


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TwentyTwelve (#6)

::chills::


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rotara (#8)

::chills::

The Experts Agree Gun Control Tile Coaster

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:21:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara (#8)

America's Original Homeland Security Rectangle Mag

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:22:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rotara (#8)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:24:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara (#3)

people who already own weapons on that list will be required to turn them in or face arrest.

"This is it!! Don't get scared now." :-)

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-04   1:26:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)

46. To: GarySpFc (#43)

I think you know which individuals they will go after first.

I don't care. If I did,I wouldn't be drawing my line in the sand in public.

If anyone isn't willing to fight for their rights when they try to take this one away they will never be willing to fight for their rights,and need to go ahead and get used to the idea of dropping to their knees anytime a agent of the government comes near because they will be doing that often.

As for me,I believe in the old saying,"I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

...

sneakypete  posted on  2009-03-03   08:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: IndieTX (#12)

We all knew what was coming. I hope everyone's ready; this week, this month or next year - it's here.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Rotara (#0)

Nancy Pelosi (!) is on record saying that such a bill will never make it to the House floor.

Take that for what its worth.

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2009-03-04   1:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TwentyTwelve (#10)

47. To: All (#45)

There are many veterans who are in their sixties or older, and whose familias are raised. They once made a decision to die for their country if needed. Now with their time running short dying for their country and the Constitution is an easy choice.

GarySpFc  posted on  2009-03-03   08:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mirage (#15)

Nancy Pelosi (!) is on record saying that such a bill will never make it to the House floor.

Take that for what its worth.

I would think certainly not before 2010 selections. I hear this is 'tied up in committee' right now. They all still remember how near violent things got when they tried to pass daisy chain Amnesty.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rotara (#13)

As for me, I believe in the old saying,"I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:30:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:32:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rotara (#13) (Edited)

There are many veterans who are in their sixties or older, and whose familias are raised. They once made a decision to die for their country if needed. Now with their time running short dying for their country and the Constitution is an easy choice.

GarySpFc posted on 2009-03-03 08:09:35 ET Reply Trace

If it was bought through a gun dealer, it and you, are on a list.
And anyone employed with compensation other than cash
has their physical address updated and on file with the IRS by their empoyer..
It's probably all one giant accessible database now.

Love the post you quoted..

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-04   1:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#13)

If anyone isn't willing to fight for their rights when they try to take this one away they will never be willing to fight for their rights,and need to go ahead and get used to the idea of dropping to their knees anytime a agent of the government comes near because they will be doing that often.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:33:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: IndieTX (#20)

T Y


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:37:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: IndieTX, Rotara, christine (#20)

If it was bought through a gun dealer, it and you, are on a list.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:37:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rotara (#19)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:38:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TwentyTwelve (#23)

50 krogers bux for each gun turned in.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   1:38:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara, ALL (#25)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   1:44:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)

If the Democrats want to self-destruct, hand over about 50 million votes to the Republicans, ensure a total crushing defeat in the House and Senate in 2010, utterly and completely energize their opposition and alienate a good chunk of their own base at the same time, then they'll pass this bill. It would be the single most egregious and astonishing case of political self-immolation by a major party since the Republicans re-nominated Herbert Hoover in 1932.

However, I think that maybe the Democrats have learned their lesson regarding this issue, and it seems to me that the chance of this making it onto the floor of either the House or Senate is pretty much about nil. The leadership of the Democratic party appears to be about as enthusiastic about this bill as they would be about being served a big plate of radioactive pig manure at one of their $1000 a plate fundraising dinners. Some of the half-bright members of that party can still remember that the only reason Gore lost in 2000 was because of the near-universal perception that he was a "gun-grabber".

Science flies you to the moon.
Religion flies you into buildings.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-03-04   1:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rotara (#22)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   2:02:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   2:03:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rotara (#29)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   2:12:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara, *Shooters* (#0)

ping

but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow

freepatriot32  posted on  2009-03-04   2:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#29)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   2:38:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara (#25)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   12:06:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   12:35:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-04   12:41:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rotara (#35)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-04   13:30:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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