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Title: Ron Paul Helps Glenn Beck Debunk FEMA Camps
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Published: Mar 5, 2009
Author: Lee Rogers
Post Date: 2009-03-05 06:44:29 by PSUSA
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By - Lee Rogers A new operation appears to have been launched in the mass media mind control complex to make people believe that FEMA camps do not exist. Talking head stooge and former drug addict Glenn Beck who gets paid millions of dollars to lie to people on his radio show and on Fox News, actually began talking about FEMA camps recently. Beck promised that his research team would get to the bottom of what’s really going on with these FEMA camps. This is funny, because news of detention facilities being preserved and built in this country for large groups of people is 100% documented and is really nothing new. Of course, it is doubtful that Beck will actually reveal the truth about government detention facilities when his research team finishes their work. It appears as if the only reason why he’s mentioning FEMA camps is so that he can setup phony arguments as to why they don’t exist. Strangely enough, Ron Paul made an appearance on his program and actually told him that the camps don’t exist. Dr. Paul is right on many issues, but he is wrong about the FEMA camps. In fact, it is amazing to see how Dr. Paul has now been turned into a media darling as the corporate media’s old paradigms are being traded for new paradigms to keep people watching their fake news broadcasts. The fact that Dr. Paul won’t expose the phony terror war fraud, the lies about 9/11 and is now claiming that FEMA camps don’t exist is ridiculous. It is time to call a spade a spade. Beck Mentions FEMA Camps On Fox & Friends Beck Backs Off Of FEMA Camp Report w/ help From Ron Paul Let’s look at some of the evidence that there are detention facilities in place that could be used to hold large quantities of people for whatever reason the government deems to be necessary. First in the 1980s, it was reported by the Miami Herald, the Akron Beacon Journal and other publications on and after July 5th 1987 that Oliver North had assisted FEMA in drafting plans for civil defense. These plans included the suspension of the U.S. Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps and turning control of state and local governments to military commanders and providing FEMA dictator like powers during catastrophic events including times of widespread political dissent. North himself was even asked about these reports during the Iran-Contra scandal by Congressman Jack Brooks but was stopped by the committee Chairman because it touched upon classified information. We have George W. Bush signing into law a bill that allocated money to preserve Japanese internment camps that were used during World War II. We have KBR the engineering arm of Halliburton being awarded a $385 million contract to build detention facilities under the guise that they would be used to house illegal aliens. There is a declassified U.S. Army document posted on the U.S. Army’s official web site outlining U.S. Army Regulation 210-35 which describes standard operating procedures on how to setup a Civilian Inmate Labor Program. The Associated Press ran a report describing how FEMA is looking for ways to transport large quantities of people via trains during an emergency, much like the Nazis did with Jews back during World War II. There is also ample anecdotal evidence of people who have reported facilities that appear to be built for the purpose of detaining large quantities of people around the country. There is also a new bill entitled HR 645 the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act that was proposed by Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-FL) which would authorize and legalize FEMA camp facilities on open and closed military reservations. It is impossible to dismiss all of this information and say that FEMA camps flat out don’t exist. There is too much anecdotal evidence and mainstream news to say that it is just a wild conspiracy theory. We know there are Japanese internment camps and we know that KBR was given a huge contract to build detention facilities that are not being used to house any illegal aliens at this point in time. With that said, we have to face the facts that there are detention facilities in existence today and that they are pushing to expand and legalize this insane FEMA camp program. It is pretty sad when there is literally nobody in Washington DC including Dr. Paul that is providing the full truth on anything. Even though Dr. Paul’s campaign for President began as a positive resistance movement it was clearly infiltrated and steered in the wrong direction to ensure its eventual defeat. The globalists plan to get rid of the Federal Reserve, so they don’t really mind the fact that Dr. Paul is over TV speaking out against it. They are just going to replace the Fed with the phony solution of a new central bank and a new debt based currency when the Federal Reserve Note currency collapses. The entire political process is a joke and there doesn’t appear to be any way to salvage it. The government is a criminal enterprise on every possible level and should be recognized as such. If Glenn Beck actually tells the truth about FEMA’s role in continuity of government operations coupled with what's really happening with these camps, it will be an enormous surprise. It appears as if Dr. Paul’s appearance was setup for Beck to later debunk this FEMA camp information with his bought and paid for research team cronies. Even though it is possible Dr. Paul might not have full access to all of the information about government run detention centers, his stance on other issues such as the phony threat of Al-Qaeda and the false flag terror attacks of 9/11 raises a number of questions. Who out there is providing the full truth about anything in Washington DC? The answer is simple, and that is nobody. Poster Comment: Embedded links in article
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I backed off from Paul when he chose the party over the movement. He had a good thing going and failed to capitalize on it. That showed me he wasn't serious. I still like him and think he has good things to say but he seems to be controlled opposition.
I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I'll say it anyway... Why does Dr. Paul lose credibility just because he doesn't march in precise lock-step to every non-mainstream theory there is about chem trails, 9/11, detention camps, etc.? While I don't believe that the official gov't story about 9/11 is entirely truthful, I don't believe that drone planes were flown into buildings. I believe that real people flew those planes, who they worked for is another story. So I can believe some things but not the whole truther enchilada. Does that make me a sheeple or a sold-out like many of you accuse Dr. Paul of being? Chem trail theories are way out there as far as I'm concerned. Detention camps - I have not made up my mind on what the purpose may be. But just because I reserve judgment does that make me too easily manipulated by the media? I think "truthers" need to be careful in their rush to criticize thoughtful, intelligent people like Dr. Paul just because he does not jump on board with every unorthodox paranoid theory that comes up on the 'net.
Hah! You're just not as cynical as I am. I saw him the same way you do.
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Well, you asked for it! I dont recall anyone saying he had to march in lockstep with anyone. But in regard to deterntion camps, there are credible MSM stories, not to mention the legislation. Paul ignores this. In regard to 9/11, there are also credible sources that call bullshit on the commissions report. We might not know what really happened and exactly who did it, but we know what didn't happen. Paul ignores this. As flames go, I think I was rather kind to you... That wasn't so bad, was it ;)
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I dont recall anyone saying he had to march in lockstep with anyone. But in regard to deterntion camps, there are credible MSM stories, not to mention the legislation. Paul ignores this. In regard to 9/11, there are also credible sources that call bullshit on the commissions report. We might not know what really happened and exactly who did it, but we know what didn't happen. Paul ignores this. As flames go, I think I was rather kind to you... That wasn't so bad, was it ;) Yes, your response was quite reasonable and I thank you for your restraint. The 9/11 commission's report was probably as high as 75% truthful but the lies, omissions though only representing 25% were grand and pivotal. But because there was a good deal of factual truth in it, it makes it difficult for people - even Ron Paul - to attack it. To fail in demonstrating just one thing to be a lie is to then be dismissed on questioning all the other details. You see whether we like it or not, the 9/11 commission report comes with an implicit aura of authority and sanctity - after all it was a bi-partisan investigation and witnesses testified under oath - whereas for people to question this authority they must be 100% correct in every single thing they question or they will be dismissed as kooks, buffoons, attention seekers. Dr. Paul says what he knows for sure and nothing more because he could lose all credibility if he speculates and is wrong. So what he said in an interview with Glenn Beck - as I recall - was that he felt that the government's involvement in 9/11 was its incompetence, its bungling. He says what he knows with certainty. You and I can speculate because we are nobody's, we represent no one but ourselves. Dr. Paul represents the majority's needs and wishes of his electorate in Texas. What % of his electorate do you suppose asked Dr. Paul to investigate 9/11 for the "real" truth? What % of Dr. Paul's electorate even indicated that they thought the 9/11 commission's report was false? I'd suggest to you that the % of Texans in his congressional district that thought the 9/11 commission report was "bullshit" and told Dr. Paul so was less than 1%. As for the detention camps, it could be that Dr. Paul - assuming he has been told all the facts along with other elected reps and senators - has been sworn to secrecy so as not to create pandemonium in the public. My belief is that the camps are not so much for detention as in gulags/imprisonment as they are for gov't enforced mass quarantine due to a natural medical disaster like ebola or deadly flu epidemic or due to a biological or radiological weapon having been released. However, that's not to say that though the intent is for quarantine use, our gov't would not ever use the camps for detention, imprisonment. One scenario I could see happening as a possibility would be that if the Mexican government falls, millions of Mexican nationals would surge northward and overwhelm our borders within 48 hours. US authorities would then have no choice but to declare martial law and detain all non-US citizens/legal residents in the camps until order was restored in Mexico by our military. I don't think Dr. Paul has ignored 9/11 or the detention camps. He is choosing in the first case to be precise in what he says in public and also to be responsive to the stated priorities of his congressional seat's electorate. In the second situation, it may very well be a case where he's sworn to secrecy and is unable to share the facts he has been told with his electorate and with the general public. That's how I interpret Dr. Paul's actions and frankly I'd do the same if I were in his shoes.
If Paul wants to represent his TX district, more power to him. Go home, and stay home. When it comes to national and "Constitutional" issues, keep off the boob tube and just bring the pork home to the Great State Of Texas. IOW, be a typical CONgressman, if that job is so fucking important to him. "I'd suggest to you that the % of Texans in his congressional district that thought the 9/11 commission report was "bullshit" and told Dr. Paul so was less than 1%. " You're could be right. But he was running for president. He used those "truthers" and small "l" libertarians for his own ends. Rather cynical of him. They gave him their energy and goodwill, and he gave them shit. "In the second situation, it may very well be a case where he's sworn to secrecy and is unable to share the facts he has been told with his electorate and with the general public. " Omerta. Right. If that is the case, I have even less respect for him now than I did 2 minutes ago. It's conjecture, sure, but if that happened then he is also a traitor. He has sworn loyalty not to the Constitution but to his political handlers that forced him to swear that oath. You seem to excuse this. I am not nearly so kindhearted. But, like I said, it's conjecture. "As for the detention camps, it could be that Dr. Paul - assuming he has been told all the facts along with other elected reps and senators - has been sworn to secrecy so as not to create pandemonium in the public. " But pandemonium is exactly what we need, especially if it is the result of citizens learning who those detention camps are built for, them. People are getting armed up. And they aren't suddenly taking up hunting. The "Ron Paul Revolution", remember? Well, let there be a real revolution. Nothing else will fix the situation. Only IMO Paul can stay home. He's useless.
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b. Omerta. Right. If that is the case, I have even less respect for him now than I did 2 minutes ago. It's conjecture, sure, but if that happened then he is also a traitor. He has sworn loyalty not to the Constitution but to his political handlers that forced him to swear that oath. You seem to excuse this. I am not nearly so kindhearted. a. How did he "use" the truthers and the libertarians? The truthers had a very focused self-serving agenda that was not shared by 95% of Americans. The truthers were no doubt infiltrated by gubment types as well as certain lobby groups. In other words it was a group that had some genuine AmericaFirst individuals, but also many flakes and untrustworthy types. The truther group was hoping to gain legitimacy and increase its profile and influence in DC by attaching itself to the coat tails of a political figure like Kucinich or Dr. Paul, regardless if the groups unsavory types tarnished the reputation and ruined the career of those politicians. I think the truthers were taking advantage of Dr. Paul (and Kucinich), not the other way around. As for the libertarians, Dr. Paul told them straight up that he was running as a GOP candidate and several times when he was asked if he would run as a 3rd party candidate should he not win the GOP Presidency candidacy, he said "no." So how did he let the libertarians down? That they hoped that he would change his mind down the stretch is not Dr. Paul's fault. b. IF Dr. Paul has been sworn to secrecy, it's because he and other Congressional members have been asked to keep the knowledge of quarantine camps under raps by the Oval Office. And how does this represent anything remotely unconstitutional? Where is it in the constitution that you and I have the right to know every single detail per what the President and Congress know regarding how government is prepared to control/contain a medical epidemic/emergency or sovreignity threat posed by another nation's government's implosion?
OK, Let's say he just led them on. He did nothing to discourage it, did he? Didn't he play their game? If he didnt agree with them, then that just makes him another political whore out tricking for supporters. Or maybe a better comparison would be as a stripper. They tease, you pay, but you get nothing. OK, I'll split the difference and call him a stripping whore. "b. IF Dr. Paul has been sworn to secrecy, it's because he and other Congressional members have been asked to keep the knowledge of quarantine camps under raps by the Oval Office. And how does this represent anything remotely unconstitutional? Where is it in the constitution that you and I have the right to know every single detail per what the President and Congress know regarding how government is prepared to control/contain a medical epidemic/emergency or sovreignity threat posed by another nation's government's implosion? " If Paul was sworn to secrecy over this, then he is no better than any other political whore. But remember you said that if you go to one of these camps. You call them quarantine camps. Maybe that is what they will be used for. But I doubt it. Maybe you will believe them when they say that quarantines are needed and martial law is declared. I mean, they are SO well known for telling the fucking truth, arent they? By golly, they never lie, do they? They are such little angels... You make allowances for (I guess) Mexico. Tell me, with the border leaking like a sieve, do you really think they are doing this because of Mexico? That is laughable. But as for me, I will not and I do not believe 1 single solitary word they say. If you choose to believe them, it's on you. .
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It's kind of a catch-22, but it occurs to me that those who believe government to be the absolute most loathsome are the very ones condemning Paul for being a traitor to THE CAUSE, whatever that is. If everything is a conspiracy, then it doesn't matter which one we resist. How's that for some reductio ad absurdum? It sounded better when I thought it than when I typed it.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
How many people had even heard the term "Austrian" in relation to economics prior to Dr Paul's campaign?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Me too...I'd say he's a "spade".
what do you mean a "spade?"
That's what I meant. Nothing racial.
ah ha. i knew you didn't mean it as a racial slur.
I don't know where that "saying" comes from, perhaps the game of poker...spades, clubs, hearts, diamonds?
I'm not choosing to believe "them." "Them" as in most politicians and gubment employees and self- serving special interest groups that even include 'net truther groups with an agenda are looking out for themselves or their self-important "goals.". I view what they say or do with a good deal of scepticism, cynicism, and more often than not I discover I'm right to be so unimpressed. But I do believe in Dr. Ron Paul and I admire him greatly. He strikes me as being the genuine thing when it comes to my definition of AmericaFirster. He served his countrymen during the Vietnam War, a very unpopular war, as a flight surgeon as he serves his countrymen today as a Congressman and has gone out on a limb to say very unpopular remarks about our economy and our war mongering for false reasons. The first involved personal risk and personal/family sacrifice, at a time when other Americans found pimples on their butts to avoid combat or helping their fellow Americans in a bad spot. The second involves personal/family sacrifice yet again. For example, do you have any idea how much of an income cut Dr. Paul has taken serving all these years as a Congressman instead of simply pursuing his medical practice, not to mention the time he spends away from family and friends by living in DC? I admire Dr. Paul immensely for his sacrifices now and in the past and I respect him for his raw intelligence and training. I will never ever be one to accuse of him being a traitor, a manipulator, a disappointment.
I still peg it to the time period of the South Carolina Debates during the primaries - there was one Ron Paul before that and different Ron Paul after them. At this point they do appear to have a "handle" on him and he is dancing when told to dance. I think you are correct in that he is now "controlled opposition". He sounded visibly shook up when he made the 911 denial at the SC Debate. Listen to the audio and the intonation - he is scared and almost pleading when the talking head forces him to say the earth does not move.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You got me interested so I decided to research it. There seems to be uncertainty in its origin, which predates the settlement of North America, but this one seemed the most likely: Description This article is from the alt.usage.english FAQ, by Mark Israel misrael@scripps.edu with numerous contributions by others. "136 "to call a spade a spade" (Phrase origins - alt.usage.english) is NOT an ethnic slur. It derives from an ancient Greek expression: "ta syka syka, te:n skaphe:n de skaphe:n onomasein" = "to call a fig a fig, a trough a trough". This is first recorded in Aristophanes' play "The Clouds" (423 B.C.), was used by Menander and Plutarch, and is still current in modern Greek. There has been a slight shift in meaning: in ancient times the phrase was often used pejoratively, to denote a rude person who spoke his mind tactlessly; but it now, like the English phrase, has an exclusively positive connotation. It is possible that both the fig and the trough were originally sexual symbols. In the Renaissance, Erasmus confused Plutarch's "trough" ("skaphe:") with the Greek word for "digging tool" ("skapheion"; the two words are etymologically connected, a trough being something that is hollowed out) and rendered it in Latin as "ligo". Thence it was translated into English in 1542 by Nicholas Udall in his translation of Erasmus's version as "to call a spade [...] a spade". ("Bartlett's Familiar Quotations" perpetuates Erasmus' error by mistranslating "skaphe:" as "spade" three times under Menander.) "To call a spade a bloody shovel" is not recorded until 1919. "Spade" in the sense of "Negro" is not recorded until 1928. (It comes from the colour of the playing card symbol, via the phrase "black as the ace of spades".) This, of course, does *not* necessarily render the modern use of "to call a spade a spade" "politically correct". Rosalie Maggio, in "The Bias-Free Word-Finder", writes: "The expression is associated with a racial slur and is to be avoided", and recommends using "to speak plainly" or other alternatives instead. In another entry, she writes: "Although by definition and derivation 'niggardly' and 'nigger' are completely unrelated, 'niggardly' is too close for comfort to a word with profoundly negative associations. Use instead one of the many available alternatives: stingy, miserly, parsimonious..." Beard and Cerf, in "The Official Politically Correct Handbook", p. 123, report that an administrator at the University of California at Santa Cruz campaigned for the banning of such phrases as "a chink in his armor" and "a nip in the air", because "chink" and "nip" are also derogatory terms for "Chinese person" and "Japanese person" respectively. In the late 1970s in the U.S., a boycott of the (now defunct) Sambo's restaurant chain was organized, even though the name "Sambo's" was a combination of the names of its two founders and did not come from the offensive word for dark-skinned person."
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Had forgotten the Sambo's restaurants, and used to do breakfast at one locally. I appreciate your researching this, and it's way more complicated than had imagined. I admit to being a honkey. Call a honkey a honkey, maybe a spade too, if that's a good idea.
Injun' still Injun'. Ugh. Me no like forked tongue PC bull droppings. Or as my grandfather might have said "you want maybe I should tailor my language to fit some meshugas PC schlock?".
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
snickering
Ron Paul will go on Alex's show next week and agree with alex that they're gonna put us in the camps. I have a collection of Paul's comments on 9/11 inside job issue and he talks certain ways to each interviewer.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Paule advocates great policy ideas, but he's a scared and weak old man . in 1988, he was shouting on national TV about "george bush and the cia dealing in drugs". didnt hear any mention of that during the 'campaign', lol.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. His appearances on Morton Downey Jr were classic
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When you folks start over analyzing stuff and come up with these theories. You sound kind of silly.
It's called the real world. In the real world extortion, blackmail, and assassination do occur in political power circles.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Good morning old friend. Just thought I'd brag a bit. I'm taking the day off to transplant cabbage and onions and to start germinating tomatoes. I'm going with an all heirloom crop for the farmers market. I'll still grow hybrids to sell to my commercial customers.
and Alex should call him on his statement to Beck regarding the camps. if AJ doesn't, that's pandering to RP, imo. Alex came down hard on Beck on the issue and Beck's comments were less egregious than RP's. Beck was asking about the existence of the camps and RP said that there is no evidence of that they do.
Good to hear from you. I was thinking about you the other day wondering how you were doing - evidently the communication got through on one of those less understood channels. ;-) Which varieties are you growing this year? I am trying some new ones and it looks to be a fun year. The coolest is an heirloom called "Yellow Fleshed Purple Smudge" which is a yellow-orange tomato with true eggplant purple smudges on the shoulders. The photos are very pretty and it is supposed to be pretty tasty as well (expensive seed though - 2.75 for 10 seeds). I tend to like the orange varieties - the flavor is in some ways richer than the reds. My all time favorite is Yellow Brandywine, but they are not the most productive variety in the world - although one year I did get exceptional production off of one plant - the "Platfoot Strain". I think I am going to grow a really large variety this year (I'm starting my seeds now too) and was thinking about "Big Zac" which routinely gets to 4 or 5 pounds but decided on Omar's Lebanese which is almost as large but is more productive and better tasting. Sigh! I could babble about gardening for hours. I hope all is well with you. How's the economy down your way?
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Which is not a true statement. They have been documented over the years both with photos and documents. RP is being disengenuous or has not looked into the issue. There's no middle ground.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I'm growing Mortgage Lifters, Heirloom Beefsteak, Golden Jubilee, Prudens Purple, Brandywine and Marmande. My melon patch this year will feature Jenny Lind, Delicious 51, and Hale's best cantaloupes along with Moon and Stars, Tom Watson and Georgia Rattlesnake watermelons. The economy around here is looking a bit darker every day. Our local Chevy dealer is the oldest existing franchise in the state and he just announced he will be closing. We're still pretty busy at the feed mill but we have frozen new hires. I'm working a lot of OT here lately and I have quite a few more responsibilities than I used to. My best observation on the economy should come after the market season begins. I'll let you know how sales go.
Growing for local markets seems to be returning. There is a bill wending its way through Congress which could put some obscene restrictions on - under the guise of "fighting terrism". I've grown Pruden's Purple and it is one of my all time favorites. They taste as good as Brandywine, which I've grown as well - it broke my Bamboo Supports it was so loaded, but are 2 to 3 weeks earlier. Golden Jubilee is another long time favorite. They are are wonderful sliced medium thick and then layered out on a plate with some slivers of Red Onion and then topped with a drizzle of Italian dressing. Not as productive as I would like but it is a wonderful tomato (as I'm sure you know it was an AAS Winner when it was introduced). If you haven't tried it the "Golden Jenny" (Baker Creek Seed Co.) is a wonderful small orange melon and is one of the best Orange Fleshed Cantaloupes I've grown. Very productive as well - as many as 10 melons per vine. For a Green Fleshed Desert Melon try Ogen (Baker Creek, Seed Savers, Botanical Interests) which is a smooth (very light netting) that ripens to a very pretty mixture of gold and green. Also they are VERY productive producing as much as ten melons per vine - I've gotten 6 just growing them in containers. They are as sweet as a honeydew but with much more better flavor (hints of pineapple and spice), and have a nice citrusy aroma. One of my all time favorites and for an early variety they are good sized running around 3 pounds but I have had them close to 4 and as small as 2 1/4. They are an old Hungarian heirloom grown in Israel for the European Gourmet trade. If you wanted to try a larger melon that is simply scrumptious - try the "Old Israeli" (Botanical Interests Seed Co. and one or two others). They'll hit 7 to 9 pounds, and have a very tropical tasting firm white flesh. They are acceptably early for such a large melon, but I have to start them early under cover here. Can be slow to germinate. With the other varieties they make a wonderful melon salad. Cut up a bowl of melon chunks and then pour some Fume' Blanc (also called Sauvignon Blanc) over them and let them marinate in the wine for several hours and then serve chilled for desert. Just sublime. I've also grown Moon and Stars and they are lovely in the garden and with good flavor. Just watch that you don't let them over-ripen as they get mushy. For a delightful small Watermelon I would suggest "Early Yellow Moonbeam" from "Seeds of Change". They are an early yellow fleshed melon and are honey sweet when fully ripened. Kind of variable in size from about 3 to 8 pounds. One of the best tasting I've grown. I gave one to my neighbor to share with her husband and her poor husband didn't get a bite as it was all gone by the time he got home from work. Another one - very good for Farmer's Markets is Boule d'Or (Golden Ball) (Seed Saver's Exchange, Baker Creek Seed Co.). It is a smooth skinned golden-yellow melon with green flesh (3 to 5 pounds) which is simply wonderful flavored (you know how the Frogs are about food - they like it). They simply look spectacular in a display. Again, a little long for my season but started under cover they work and are worth growing.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I'm pretty sure it's a variant of the Jenny Lind which is a green fleshed melon.
I had a small patch last year and experienced the same thing. You have to pick them as soon as the bottom of the melon starts to look "washed out".
I'm pretty sure it's a variant of the Jenny Lind which is a green fleshed melon. It is. Link: Well, I have to run - too many errands to take care of.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
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""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Exactly. Other things to look for - the tendril nearest the melon starts to wither and the closest leaf begins to wither. You don't want to do what you do with other watermelons and let the bottom go to yellow. For something different another good sized heirloom is "Orangeglo" which is about a thirty pound ORANGE fleshed watermelon. It's considered by many to be the best of the orange fleshed melons - although Tendersweet is pretty good too.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I always look at the tendrils on either side of the branch that the melon is growing on. If they are dried up and dead, the melon is likely ripe.
Who is Ron Paul ?
#30. To: PSUSA (#1)
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#31. To: bluegrass, All (#2)
I trust Ron's intentions. I don't trust his ability/inability to be subverted by the media lords via his desire to spread his message. Even the best of us can be diverted and co-opted through our own desires and best intentions.
#32. To: farmfriend (#30)
I backed off from Paul when he chose the party over the movement. He had a good thing going and failed to capitalize on it. That showed me he wasn't serious. I still like him and think he has good things to say but he seems to be controlled opposition.
#33. To: scrapper2 (#31)
I know I'll probably get flamed for this but I'll say it anyway...
#34. To: redpanther (#13)
(Edited)
Bring up www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645 There is so much out there in the MSM that there is no need to make things up.
Hegelian dialectic
FEMA camps link
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#35. To: scrapper2 (#31)
Why does Dr. Paul lose credibility just because he doesn't march in precise lock-step to every non-mainstream theory
#36. To: PSUSA (#33)
(Edited)
Well, you asked for it!
#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
#38. To: PSUSA (#37)
a. He used those "truthers" and small "l" libertarians for his own ends. Rather cynical of him. They gave him their energy and goodwill, and he gave them shit.
#39. To: scrapper2 (#38)
a. How did he "use" the truthers and the libertarians?
#40. To: scrapper2 (#38)
#41. To: PSUSA (#39)
OK, Let's say he just led them on. He did nothing to discourage it, did he? Didn't he play their game? If he didnt agree with them, then that just makes him another political whore out tricking for supporters. Or maybe a better comparison would be as a stripper. They tease, you pay, but you get nothing.
#42. To: PSUSA (#1)
But he had me fooled there for a while.
#43. To: CadetD (#42)
#44. To: christine (#43)
earlier in this thread, it was said "let's call a spade a spade".
#45. To: CadetD (#44)
"let's call a spade a spade".
#46. To: christine (#45)
"let's call a spade a spade". ah ha. i knew you didn't mean it as a racial slur.
#47. To: PSUSA (#39)
If you choose to believe them, it's on you.
#48. To: farmfriend (#30)
(Edited)
I still like him and think he has good things to say but he seems to be controlled opposition.
#49. To: CadetD (#46)
I don't know where that "saying" comes from, perhaps the game of poker...spades, clubs, hearts, diamonds?
#50. To: Original_Intent (#49)
This, of course, does *not* necessarily render the modern use of "to call a spade a spade" "politically correct". Rosalie Maggio, in "The Bias-Free Word-Finder", writes: "The expression is associated with a racial slur and is to be avoided", and recommends using "to speak plainly" or other alternatives instead. In another entry, she writes: "Although by definition and derivation 'niggardly' and 'nigger' are completely unrelated, 'niggardly' is too close for comfort to a word with profoundly negative associations. Use instead one of the many available alternatives: stingy, miserly, parsimonious..." Beard and Cerf, in "The Official Politically Correct Handbook", p. 123, report that an administrator at the University of California at Santa Cruz campaigned for the banning of such phrases as "a chink in his armor" and "a nip in the air", because "chink" and "nip" are also derogatory terms for "Chinese person" and "Japanese person" respectively. In the late 1970s in the U.S., a boycott of the (now defunct) Sambo's restaurant chain was organized, even though the name "Sambo's" was a combination of the names of its two founders and did not come from the offensive word for dark-skinned person."
#51. To: CadetD (#50)
#52. To: Original_Intent (#51)
"you want maybe I should tailor my language to fit some meshugas PC schlock?".
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#53. To: PSUSA, ROTARA (#5)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#54. To: PSUSA (#39)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#55. To: Artisan (#54)
#56. To: Original_Intent (#48)
I think you are correct in that he is now "controlled opposition"
#57. To: Old Friend, farmfriend (#56)
#58. To: Original_Intent (#57)
#59. To: Artisan (#53)
Ron Paul will go on Alex's show next week and agree with alex that they're gonna put us in the camps. I have a collection of Paul's comments on 9/11 inside job issue and he talks certain ways to each interviewer.
#60. To: duckhunter (#58)
Good morning old friend.
#61. To: christine, Artisan (#59)
Beck was asking about the existence of the camps and RP said that there is no evidence of that they do.
#62. To: Original_Intent (#60)
#63. To: duckhunter (#62)
#64. To: Original_Intent (#63)
If you haven't tried it the "Golden Jenny" (Baker Creek Seed Co.) is a wonderful small orange melon and is one of the best Orange Fleshed Cantaloupes I've grown.
#65. To: Original_Intent (#63)
I've also grown Moon and Stars and they are lovely in the garden and with good flavor. Just watch that you don't let them over-ripen as they get mushy.
#66. To: duckhunter (#64)
If you haven't tried it the "Golden Jenny" (Baker Creek Seed Co.) is a wonderful small orange melon and is one of the best Orange Fleshed Cantaloupes I've grown.
"An outstanding golden meated version of "Jenny Lind", developed by long time friend and master seed saver, Merl Neidens. Short vines just go wild producing these succulent, sweet 2 lb. beauties. Give this one a try at upscale markets. Early and productive."
Boule d'Or (Golden Perfection)
Very sweet, pale green flesh is just marvelous. Yellow and loosely netted, a very beautiful melon. This was one of our top melons in our 2003 trials, truly incredible! It was listed in Vilmorin's book The Vegetable Garden in 1885, but is very rare now. An all-time favorite and a dream for market growers.
Ogen Melon
#67. To: CadetD, ratcat, Peppa (#66)
#68. To: duckhunter (#65)
I had a small patch last year and experienced the same thing. You have to pick them as soon as the bottom of the melon starts to look "washed out".
#69. To: Original_Intent (#68)
Exactly. Other things to look for - the tendril nearest the melon starts to wither and the closest leaf begins to wither.
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