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Title: Kurds Seize Iraq Land Past Borders in Blow to U.S. Pullout Plan
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URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? ... 87&sid=aeLL5YyjuL18&refer=home
Published: Mar 5, 2009
Author: Daniel Williams
Post Date: 2009-03-05 08:07:33 by Jethro Tull
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Kurds Seize Iraq Land Past Borders in Blow to U.S. Pullout Plan

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By Daniel Williams

March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Just north of Mosul, Iraq’s second- biggest city, an ornamental metal gate spans the highway. Beyond it, the sunburst-on-tricolors of the Kurdistan flag proliferate in this region 20 miles (32 kilometers) south of the Kurds’ agreed-to autonomous zone in the country’s far northeast.

Neither Iraqi police nor soldiers venture beyond the gate.

The changed scenery reflects the slow, relentless expansion of Kurdish forces into territory far from their officially sanctioned region. The Kurds say that they are simply recovering land where they lived before the late Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein expelled them during his harsh 24-year rule.

The move is creating potentially explosive tensions in mixed ethnic areas of Kurds, Arabs and other minorities at a time when U.S. forces in Iraq are preparing to withdraw.

“We are providing safety in territories that are ours,” said Captain Abdullah, a Kurdish military operations officer based in Tel Keif, a village just 10 miles north of Mosul. “Saddam kicked out Kurds, Arabs came in. Kurds are back, Arabs fled. If the Iraqi army comes, they will stab us in the back and expel Kurds again.” He declined to allow his family name to be used out of fear for his safety.

Since Hussein’s overthrow during the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, Kurdish troops, known collectively as the peshmerga, have moved into towns and villages in Nineveh, Tamim and Diyala provinces, places where the Iraqi Army, started from scratch in 2004, has been absent.

Autonomous Zone

All the areas lie beyond the frontiers of the three- province autonomous zone that is ruled by a pair of Kurdish parties under agreement with the central government.

If left unresolved, opposing territorial claims could lead to military clashes, said the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based conflict management advisory group, in a report on its Web site.

“As U.S. forces are set to draw down in the next couple of years, Washington’s leverage will diminish and, along with it, chances for a workable deal,” said the ICG. “The most likely alternative to an agreement is a new outbreak of violent strife over unsettled claims in a fragmented polity governed by chaos and fear.”

American forces will exit Iraq by the end of 2011 under an accord last year between the administration of former President George W. Bush and the Iraqi government. Last month, President Barack Obama unveiled plans to pull all but 50,000 of the U.S.’s troop strength of 140,000 from Iraq by August 2010. The rest would be used mostly for training and aiding the Iraqi Army.

Friends With Both

It is unclear whether the land rivalry can be resolved by then. The U.S. is friendly with both Prime Minister Nuri al- Maliki, who is trying to keep Iraq whole in the face of sectarian and communal violence, and the Kurds, who have provided troops to pacify rebellious, anti-U.S. parts of the country.

The contested territory includes the city of Kirkuk, the hub of Iraqi oil production in the north. Kurdish officials have been lobbying to absorb Kirkuk into their autonomous zone and to control the area’s oil wealth; the central government objects.

Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurds’ regional government, appealed for U.S. mediation on Feb. 17 in the Kurdish city of Arbil. “What we understand by a responsible withdrawal is that the United States should resolve the problems outstanding in Iraq and help the Iraqis confront these problems,” he told a press conference.

No Referee

The U.S. military, which patrols both Mosul and areas north of the gate, has no intention of acting as referee, said Colonel Gary Volesky, overall commander of the 3rd Heavy Brigade Combat Team. He described the American mission as battling Sunni Muslim insurgents and al-Qaeda, the global terror organization that has agents and followers in the area.

“Kurdish-Arab tension has to be addressed, but we can’t play the go-between,” Volesky said in an interview.

Unlike most Iraqi tensions, the battle in the north is based not on religion but on an ethnic conflict between Kurds, about 20 percent of Iraq’s total population, and Arabs, who account for most of the rest. After Hussein’s fall, thousands of Arabs fled areas near the Kurdish autonomous zone and were replaced by Kurds.

Kirkuk has become a city of dueling demographics. Kurds say they make up 40 percent of the population; Arabs say Arabs make up half. Turkmen, Iraq’s third-largest ethnic group, also say they are half of Kirkuk’s population.

Canceled Elections

Provincial elections that were held on Jan. 31 elsewhere in Iraq were canceled in Kirkuk because no one could work out exactly who was a resident and thus eligible to vote.

A regional referendum on Kirkuk’s status, constitutionally scheduled for 2007, has been repeatedly put off. The central government plans to issue guidelines for foreign investment in oil in April. Two of the available fields are near Kirkuk, where the Kurds say only they have the right to cut deals, over national government objections.

In northern Nineveh Province, of which Mosul is the capital, political offices of the Kurdistan Democratic Party and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan have sprouted in several villages. The parties jointly control the peshmerga -- the word means someone who is ready to die. Those forces occupy the Saddam Dam, the country’s largest hydroelectric supplier of energy, which lies 35 miles northwest of Mosul.

“They have a choke hold on electricity,” said Lieutenant Colonel Benjamin Matthews, who commands Task Force 2-82 of the 3rd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, First Cavalry Division, in northeast Mosul. Matthews noted that no Kurdish units have been integrated into the Iraqi Army.

In Mosul, Colonel Fadl, an Iraqi Army commander, was more charitable than Captain Abdullah in Tel Keif. “The Kurds talk like this because they are afraid,” he said. “It is understandable. There is a bad history. Eventually, the Iraqi Army will take over, but after a political decision, not by military force.”

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Substitute "Israelis" any time you see "Kurds." They are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the SLC.

This also may be a gambit being encouraged by the U.S. generals who want to stay there "100 years" a la McCain's off-the-cuff comment a year ago.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-03-05   9:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Sam Houston, Esso, all (#1)

Mission creep.(ISRAEL and Kurds )

Article from:
Kurdish Life
Article date:
June 22, 2004
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kurds and Israel
"Israel is present in force in northern Iraq and is spying on 
Iran and 
Syria. They can deny it as they like but it's the reality." 
Mustafa Feki 
Chairman, Foreign Affairs Committee 
Egyptian Parliament, AFP 10.3.04 

Days after Seymour Hersh disclosed in the June issue of The New Yorker that "Israeli officers were training Kurdish commandos in northern Iraq and using that region as a jumping-off point for Mossad agents to enter Iran and spy on its nuclear installations," Jalal Talabani told reporters,. "These reports are total fabrications. I invite those who did this reporting to come take a look with their own eyes." (AFP 6.22.04) Did Talabani really want us to believe that intelligence agents were wearing identification tags on the lapels of their business suits? Do they wear their agendas on their sleeves? On June 26th Massoud Barzani echoed Talabani. "There is no truth or reality in these reports, there is no such presence." But according to Reuters "He said there was 'no official relationship' between Iraqi Kurds and Israel"

Turkey "cautiously accepted Israel's denial." Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul told reporters: "Israel has told us it is not true. We also want this to be the case. Everyone knows Turkey's sensitivities on this issue. Naturally, we have to believe what we are told." Why, he wouldn't say. Instead he said, "I hope our trust is not in vain." (Reuters 6.22.04) But in Haaretz, Zvi Bar'el reported: "Despite the denials, official Turkey still does not completely believe that no Israeli agents are present in northern Iraq ... In any event, Israel has made it clear to Turkey that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon decided not to open a channel of cooperation with the Kurds. For now, that decision is blocking proposals submitted by Israeli intelligence officials to Sharon to try to reestablish the connection with the Kurds." (6.24.04) In July, Sharon would dispatch his Labor Minister Ehud Olmert to personally deliver the denial: "There is no Israeli activity in the north of Iraq, not covert, overt, or anything." (Jerusalem Post 7.12.04)

It wasn't long before, interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi got into the act. "We regretfully hear reports in the Arab press that there are 10,000 Israelis and stories that Iraq is being used as a base for Israel intelligence--this is inaccurate and false," he said. "Iraq and its territory will not be a base for any action hostile to any Arab country." Asked about Iraq's relations with Israel, Allawi went on to say: "Future relations with Israel are determined by two issues: international resolutions and a just and comprehensive peace that has been adopted by Arab leaderships, including the Palestinian leadership. Iraq will not take any unilateral action on a settlement with Israel outside those two frameworks." No unilateral action? On the same day the Saudi-owned Asharq al-Awsat carried "a banner, front page headline" that read, "Iraq cancels ban on travel to Israel." (AP 7.26.04)

In Al-Ahram Weekly, Omayma Abdel-Latif took a look at Kurds bearing lies. "Kurdish politicians reacted with anger to an article published in the New Yorker this week that revealed an active Israeli role in autonomous areas in northern Iraq," he wrote. "They criticized the article as 'part of a smearing campaign against the Kurdish people." He quoted key Talabani aide, Fouad Massoum, the Kurd selected by the U.S. to head Iraq's National Council, as saying, "There are no Israeli activities of any nature in Kurdistan." In the New Yorker, Hersh also reported that Israel had established "a significant presence on the ground ... running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria."

Arab suspicions were not without foundation, both because Kurdish militias had been exempted from the U.S. order to disarm and "many Arab newspapers recently published reports that spoke of accelerated efforts by 'Jewish organizations' in buying land and real estate in Iraq." In Baghdad, Adnan al-Asady, deputy head of Al- Daawa Party claimed that reports of Israel's activities were "exaggerated," that Iraqi political and religious forces had investigated and found such claims "baseless." And then he went on to say, "Iraqis have been hearing about an intimate Israeli-Kurdish connection for almost 10 years now." (6.25.04) Truth be told, Jewish efforts to ingratiate themselves with Kurds go back at least that far. Abdul-Hamid Bilici, foreign editor of the Turkish daily Zaman rightly noted, "The American occupation of Iraq has helped the Israelis gain easy access to the region." (6.25.04)

Much as Tom Engelhardt was correct in stating in a piece for Mother Jones: "The training of Kurdish militiamen may, in the short run, aid Israel's policies in the region and bolster Kurdish dreams of an independent state, but it will, in the end, likely prove yet another disaster for the Kurds. Their militias are not serious fighting forces, if you're thinking, say, of the Turkish military (which ruthlessly crushed its own Kurdish population's desire for autonomy), or even perhaps future Iraqi armies. The Kurds, a people scattered across the region, have put their faith and fate in the hands of states (and their intelligence agencies) that have always betrayed them--including the Shah's Iran, Saddam's Iraq, the United States more than once, and now the Israelis." (7.23.04)

On July 28 an editorial appeared on the web site of the Kurdistan Observer titled "The Emerging Natural Alliance of Kurdistan and Israel." That it remains the first item on the site is a measure of Kurdish gullibility. Here are excerpts:

"While the reaction of the enemies of Kurdistan and the progressive global opinion is understandable, the purpose of the vehement denials of the existence of a relationship between Israel and Kurdistan by their leaders is not clear. This attitude is detrimental to both Israel and Kurdistan. The Israeli and Kurdish people have a great deal in common, from their determination to live in freedom to having a mostly common enemy. These are good reasons for Israel to ally itself with Kurdistan. For Israel, a strong Kurdistan will be a major buffer against the Arab and Islamic world. For Kurdistan, a strong alliance with Israel should bring much needed military strength and critical access to the seat of power in Washington.

"Of course, major differences separate Israel and Kurdistan. In the middle of the arc between Israel and Kurdistan lies the evil little empire of Turkey, allied with Israel and doing everything possible against its own inevitable dismemberment. How ironic that Israel born out of the ashes of the holocaust finds itself allied with a country carrying the congenital burden of a genocide. In the modern age, despite the premium placed on the Turkish- Israeli alliance in Jerusalem and Washington, the facts on the ground indicate that Turks are as anti-Israel (as well as anti-American) as the people on the Arab street. By contrast, Kurds have a natural affinity for Israelis. But the Kurdish leadership has a lot of catching up to do to persuade the Israelis that Kurdistan would be a great friend of Israel should Israel put its full weight behind the passion and struggle of Kurds for liberty and freedom ... As usual, much of the blame lies upon the failed leadership of the Kurds, especially the PUK ... For their part, the Israelis share a good deal of the blame.... In a disgraceful manner, Israeli officials refer to the Kurds as Turkey's problem in the same breath as Palestinian terrorists in reference to Israel ... What both Israel and Kurdistan need to do is enact and declare an open and full political and military relationship. In the short term, this radical move will agitate the region. But this relationship is coming just as the independence of Kurdistan. The sooner we see it the better." (7.20.04) Shortly thereafter, in Turkey Kamal Artin described a Kurdistan-Israel alliance as "a progressive idea." (Kurdish Media 8.7.04)

Much as the Kurds of Iraq have forgotten that Israel dropped them like a lead balloon in 1975, that Israel's support militarily was provided in the early 1970s as a means of supporting the Shah of Iran, these Kurds from Turkey have forgotten that the Mossad was instrumental in capturing Abdullah Ocalan, for the sake of Turkey. They forget that Turkey is Israel's only ally in the Middle East. Kurds both in Turkey and Iraq can't see that Israel is already a pariah, disliked and distrusted by neighbors, its only unqualified support coming from Washington, its security based on weapons and fences. The victim of Kurdish folly is Kurdistan. For all that the U.S. and Israel need of that vast ancient land is the tiny strategic enclave in northern Iraq, a manageable region with a malleable population. Israel's vision is confined to that strategic outpost and Kirkuk oil.

Gerald A. Honigman, a Jewish political activist closely aligned with fundamentalist Christian groups, inadvertently revealed the extent of Israel's outpost. "The birth of Kurdistan is long overdue. And it can occur in such a way that its own future is tied to not allowing some of those fears--by the Turks, in particular regarding their own Kurdish population--to become reality," Honigman contends. "Indeed, Turkey may lose some of its own 'headaches' by allowing them to move to the new Kurdish state. [italics ours] (Kurdish Media 8.31.04)

Shrieking Sirens

Sometimes, in their zeal to lure Kurds into a Jewish orbit, even the "good thieves" reveal more than they conceal. Take for example Daniel Bart, deputy coordinator of the Israel Kurdistan Network and member of the board of the Jewish Studies Association of Stockholm. In a polemic clearly designed to goad Barzani and Talabani into declaring Kurdish independence, Bart writes: "Most Arabs know that there is cooperation between Israel and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). Officially, this is all very secret and based on plausible denial." ... The 'secret' cooperation between Kurdistan and Israel is mainly in two fields. The first is in intelligence cooperation ... The second is influence in Washington ... The 'secret' relationship that Mr. Talabani and Mr. Barzani have with Israel will not suffer from people-to-people cooperation between Kurds and Jews in Europe."

Bart then proceeded to the case he wished to make: "While the KRG has excellent relations with the government of Israel, it mismanages the relationship with the Jewish people. Most Kurds do not realize the potential in the Jewish-Kurdish relationship. The American Jewish community plays a crucial role in facilitating relations between America and third party governments ... and no one else helps the Kurds in Washington ... The 200,000 strong Kurdish Jewish community in Israel should serve as a bridge between the two nations. The KRG would be wise to mobilize that community on behalf of the Kurdish cause. The Jewish- Kurd relationship should not be limited to the Iraqi section of Kurdistan." His piece appeared on the web site of Kurdish Media on the 19th of August.

On the other hand, Club of Israel member in good standing, Michael Rubin, worries about unintended consequences. The Yale Ph.D. spent months in Iraqi Kurdistan seducing the Kurdish parties, lavishing on sophomoric university students his version of Iranian history, all the while taking in useful intelligence. Not surprisingly he soon made his way to neo- con headquarters in the Pentagon, subsequently latching on to another strategic position with the conservative American Enterprise Institute. In the conservative National Review, Rubin attempted to persuade Turkey to choose Israel over its neighbors, the same tactic applied to Kurds. "There has been a profound shift in Turkish foreign policy. The first victim of Turkey's shifting diplomacy has been Israel," he wrote. "The late President Turgat Ozal forged a strategic partnership with Israel. The Turkish Israeli relationship was based on both the common threat posed by Iranian and Syrian-sponsored terrorism, as well as shared democratic ideals. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sought to diminish the Turkish Israeli partnership. Following the targeted killing of Hamas Leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, Erdogan condemned Israel's 'state terrorism.' ... Turkey and the United States have for a half-century maintained a special relationship. But the relationship is now strained ... The AKP [the ruling Turkish party] need not tear down the trilateral relationship with democracies like the United States and Israel to build ties to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria ..." (5.24.04)

Of late Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz has taken on the Kurdish case on behalf of his real client, Israel. "I have a testing question for those who single out Israel for condemnation because of its occupation and who champion the establishment of a Palestinian state: Where do you stand on the occupation of Kurdistan and on the Kurdish demand for an independent state in their ancestral land of Kurdistan?," he argued in the Jerusalem Post. "I can tell you where the Palestinians themselves stand. Their leadership is adamantly opposed to the Kurdish efforts to end their occupation and establish their state. The Palestinians support the occupiers, namely Syria, Turkey and Iraq, and they always have ... where is the United Nations, the Presbyterian church, the anti-Zionist hard Left, the European community, Nelson Mandela, Ralph Nader and the others who shed crocodile tears only for the oppressed Palestinians? Their silence with regard to the Kurds is deafening ... The case for ending the occupation of Kurdistan and establishing an independent Kurdish state is at least as strong, and in many ways stronger, than the case for ending the occupation of the West Bank and establishing a Palestinian state."

William Safire, not Alan Dershowitz, has been carrying that ball for decades, and not for love of Kurds but for love of Israel. This is no secret to anyone monitoring the Middle East. Certainly not to Ranni Amiri who made these comments in a June 23rd guest column for Yellow Times: "When New York Times columnist and Likudist mouthpiece William Safire wrote in a June 8 Op-Ed that 'our most loyal friends' the Iraqi Kurds have been 'double crossed' by the United States at the expense of 'appeasing' the south, you know his concern is anything but genuine. Indeed, his gratuitous sympathy extends to all situations which could potentially favor Israel, as he now sees in the brewing conflict between the leadership of Iraq's Shi'a Arabs and Kurds ...

"Barzani and Talabani, bitter rivals and well- known for cutting deals with the butcher of the Kurds, Saddam, when they saw fit, have now threatened to leave the government. It is not, as they claim, due to the exclusion of the TAL [transitional administrative law] from the U.N. resolution, but because they were not placed in positions of power. Not unexpectedly, their stance championing an undivided Iraq was shown to be no more than mere contrivance, used as leverage when needed and just as quickly abandoned. The stability of the region, the integrity of the Iraq nation, and the ability to prevent Israel from establishing yet another foothold at the doorstep of the Arab heartland--if they have not done so already--will all be sacrificed if the petty egocentrism and opportunism of Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani is allowed to pass. Safire got it backwards. The Iraqi people were actually the ones who have been 'double crossed' and these two 'loyal friends,' their betrayers ...

"As for Safire's alleged interest in the plight of the Kurds, one only has to appreciate his 'Israel first' policy to understand it. An independent 'Kurdistan' created in northern Iraq would likely cause an already precarious region to become even more unstable. Consequently, any new presence, which forces the attention of Turkey, Syria, and Iran away from the Palestinians, is welcomed. He is also well-aware that an Arab-dominated Iraqi government will have no particular affection toward Israel, whereas a separate, struggling Kurdish state may be more inclined to make friendly overtures to secure an ally in an otherwise hostile neighborhood. In return, the possibility of a revamped Haifa-Kirkuk/Mosul pipeline in providing Israel with a stable oil supply has not gone unnoticed." (6.23.04)

The seduction doesn't stop at politics and polemics. Recently Israeli scientists were tasked to investigate "the genetic bonds between Kurds and Jews." Lo and behold, they have determined that not Palestinians but "Kurds are the closest relatives to Jews." Bending science in the service of politics, Brook intoned: "This exciting research showing that Kurds and Jews may have shared common fathers several millennia ago should, hopefully, encourage both Kurds and Jews to explore each others' cultures and to maintain the friendship that Kurds and Jews enjoyed in northern Iraq in recent times (as chronicled in Michael Rubin's recent article 'The Other Iraq') ... Rubin refers to the Iraqi Kurds 'special affinity for Israel' and writes that 'in the safe haven of Iraqi Kurdistan, the Jews and Israel are remembered fondly, if increasingly vaguely. 'Let us hope that this relationship can be renewed and strengthened.'" (ekurd.net 4.8.04)

A hint of things to come. Israel is skating on thin ice, as are the Kurds. In mid-October as this issue of Kurdish Life was being prepared, the Kurdistan Observer reported: "According to the Turkish daily paper Aksham, the Turkish president warned Barzani not to follow the Israeli path, adding that Israel is the source of conflict since it was established. Aksham also reports that Mr. Barzani was told that neither Turkey nor the neighboring countries will accept federalism that would lead to an independent Kurdistan, and if Kurds go this way, they will likely lose what they have achieved so far." (10.14.04)

Little more than a week later, following the assassination of the chief of police in Arbil, the Observer issued another report, this time from Islamists: (10.25.04) "This is a clear message to the ally of the Jews, the agent Massoud Barzani, head of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, to tell the scoundrel that we are coming and the hands of the mujahideen will soon reach you, God willing, and America cannot help you."

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#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Gee whiz, you have a bad attitude, JT. You need to STFU, buy some stocks, get on the global warming bus and kiss O'boingo's you-know-what. Sheesh.

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