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Title: Judge assails cases doubting Obama's citizenship
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... EnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD96O5TV03
Published: Mar 6, 2009
Author: NEDRA PICKLER
Post Date: 2009-03-08 00:33:51 by bluegrass
Ping List: *Tracking Comrade Obama*     Subscribe to *Tracking Comrade Obama*
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Views: 1591
Comments: 188

Judge assails cases doubting Obama's citizenship

By NEDRA PICKLER

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site. But the lawsuit argues it is a fake and that Obama was actually born in his father's homeland of Kenya, even though Hawaiian officials have said the document is authentic.

"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.

The lawsuit didn't even use Obama's legal name but called him "Barry Soetoro," the name he went by while attending elementary school in Indonesia. It's one of many that has been filed claiming Obama is ineligible to serve as president.

Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out. Subscribe to *Tracking Comrade Obama*

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#125. To: war (#121)

What have we discuseed about Obama other than citizenship issues?

That's more than enough. His claim to power rests on it. The only people that I see backing his claim are those with their snouts in the Federal trough and those that have been conditioned to react to the (R)-(D) dichotomy.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: war (#122)

Congress is given the powet to regulate the value of money. When Congress, itself, did so, it was an abject failure.

You have it backwards. Until the imposition of the Fed, the buying power of the dollar had increased overall. Since the imposition of the Fed, the dollar has lost almost all of its buying power.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: bluegrass (#125)

You raise his citizenship as an issue and you don't expect even a modicum of investigation into whether or not your claims are valid. But then you turn around and assail people who willingly accept what they are told without looking into it.

Got it...thanks...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: war (#127)

You raise his citizenship as an issue and you don't expect even a modicum of investigation into whether or not your claims are valid.

More proof of cognitive dissonance. Obama hasn't proved his claims as he's actively hiding information about much of his past.

His actions are what give validity to the claims.

But then you turn around and assail people...

You might want rethink that statement. Who engages in ad hominem here when Obama's eligibility is raised - me or you?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: bluegrass (#126)

You have it backwards. Until the imposition of the Fed, the buying power of the dollar had increased overall. Since the imposition of the Fed, the dollar has lost almost all of its buying power.

Well that's just bullshit.

The US saw several bouts of inflation, deflation and recession prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Hell, they couldn't even keep the ratio of gold to silver constant because of fluctuations in the supply of both. That fluctuation is a reason the the Fr was created. Congress had to micromanage the minting of coin.

If you believe gold to be the Mecca of sound "dollar" valuation, I'd suggest that you consider the economic collapse of 16th century Spain and the role of gold in it as well as theb general trend of inflation in 16the century Europe. That trend was beginning to appear in the US in the latter part of the 19th century.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: bluegrass (#128)

Obama hasn't proved his claims

WHAT claims?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: war (#129)

I said, "overall". Do your own calculations:

measuringworth.com

"In 1912, $1.00 from 1800 is worth:

$0.77 using the Consumer Price Index"

"In 2007, $1.00 from 1912 is worth:

$22.06 using the Consumer Price Index"

From 1800 to 1912, the overall buying power of the dollar increased. From 1912 until today, it's been steamrolled.

The US saw several bouts of inflation, deflation and recession prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Hell, they couldn't even keep the ratio of gold to silver constant because of fluctuations in the supply of both.

By and large, they were market manipulations by large money concerns. Back in the day, it was an old trick of bankers to move large supplies of gold/silver into an area (which decreased the relative value of it) and then use their larger supply of metal to draw seemingly cheaper gold/silver to themselves with paper receipts. It's an old scam.

If you believe gold to be the Mecca of sound "dollar" valuation...

You make a lot of assumptions, don't you? I've never advocated for a purely gold-based standard.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: war (#130)

WHAT claims?

His claim that he qualifies for the presidency. Had he proven it, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: bluegrass (#131)

From 1800 to 1912, the overall buying power of the dollar increased. From 1912 until today, it's been steamrolled.

Check your chart or you are reading it backwards...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: bluegrass (#132)

He did prove it. We are having this discuission because of your acceptance deficit.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, DeaconBenjamin, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex (#133)

Check your chart or you are reading it backwards...

To be clear:

You're claiming that the buying power of the dollar has increased, overall, since 1912 and that it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

I'll give you some time to do your own research and then come back and say it again.

Pardon the flags, but I just want some witnesses to this extraordinary claim.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: war (#92)

Similar to your story, I'm sure...

No, I came from a normal white family. Os daddy became a rolling stone like 70% of all dark males and mama Stanley was simply a whore who liked the tar roll.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-10   11:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: war (#135)

Flagging you also.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: bluegrass (#135)

You're claiming that the buying power of the dollar has increased, overall, since 1912 and that it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

I didn;t claim anything...you just showed that it did...or am I reading the chart wrong...?

Let's start here:

1.00 in 1800 was worth $0.77 in 1912 which means that it LOST 23% of its purchasing power.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

No, I came from a normal white family.

It still doesn't explain you.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: war (#134)

He did prove it.

What he's proven is that he can lock down his personal info, his papers from college and the like. I don't trust secretive "public" officials.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: bluegrass (#140)

Are you of the mind that anyone can waltz into anywhere and find out information on somsone?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: war (#138)

It means that a dollar bought more in 1912 than it did in 1800. What cost $1 in 1800 only cost 77 cents in 1912. That's an increase in buying power.

What cost $1 in 1912 now costs $20+. That's a decrease in buying power.

If you have a hard time with this basic, material, provable reality, maybe some larger and more complex questions might escape you.

Then again, I'm just stupid and insane, right?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: bluegrass (#135) (Edited)

it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

0.77 means it increaed using the CPI.

The value did fluctuate a lot. An 1816 dollar was worth $0.66 in 1912. An 1833 dollar was worth $1.15 in 1912. An 1837 dollar was worth $1.01 in 1912. It would be better to fit a regression line, for data before the fed was created.

... now with Solium™!

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-10   11:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: war (#141)

If someone's claiming to be president, I'd say we have a right to know who he is.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#143)

My point is that it increased overall when it was a defined and measured unit.

It would be better to fit a regression line, for data before the fed was created.

Point taken. Thanks.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: bluegrass (#142)

From your link:

In 1912, $1.00 from 1800 is worth:

$0.77 using the Consumer Price Index

It does not say $1.00 WORTH OF GOODS. It says $1.00 is worth $0.77.

You're reading the calculator incorrectly.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: war (#139)

Feel free to dwell on me, while the rest of the world laughs at the DNA defective in the White House.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-10   11:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: bluegrass (#144)

If someone's claiming to be president, I'd say we have a right to know who he is.

Purely a 20th century phenomonem. I could care less what he does in private or did 20 years ago.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: war (#146)

I'm saying that the dollar is worth less (it buys less) now than it was in 1912. Do you disagree with that?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jethro Tull (#147)

Feel free to dwell on me

Not dwelling...compating.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: bluegrass (#149)

I'm saying that the dollar is worth less (it buys less) now than it was in 1912. Do you disagree with that?

It's not that cut and dried a proposition, mon frer.

That said, according to what you have provided above, it does.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: war (#148)

I could care less what he does in private or did 20 years ago.

Tell me again why there are so many crooks, pedophiles and freaks in office?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: bluegrass (#145)

My point is that it increased overall when it was a defined and measured unit.

Actually, what you've provided shows that it decreased.

{Part of the problem is that you gold bugs don't allow for the fact that the value of gold becomes free flaoting as well when it is no longer tied to a currency and that speculation can lead to over-valuation.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: bluegrass (#152)

Tell me again why there are so many crooks, pedophiles and freaks in office?

Tell my why there are so many in any neighborhood.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: war (#151)

That said, according to what you have provided above, it does.

Then provide info showing that the buying power of the dollar has increased since the imposition of the Federal Reserve. IOW, show me how the Fed has been beneficial to all of us. As you appear to defend its existence, surely you can do at least that.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: bluegrass (#155)

Then provide info showing that the buying power of the dollar has increased since the imposition of the Federal Reserve.

Using CPI it exists on this page and was provided by you.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: war (#153)

you gold bugs...

Earth to war:

I've already stated that you're incorrect on that. Kindly update your database.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: bluegrass (#155)

IOW, show me how the Fed has been beneficial to all of us.

I told you wahy. It removed the Congress from the equation. At every monetary turn they either reacted too slowly, overreacted, or simply failed to act.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: war (#156)

LOL!

No wonder you think Obama's the man. You can't even discern when you've been screwed.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: bluegrass (#159)

1.00 = 77 cents is a decrease in value correct?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: war (#158)

At every monetary turn they either reacted too slowly, overreacted, or simply failed to act.

And the Fed has been the model of restraining the money powers?

How much LSD do you eat?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: All (#158)

Oops...used either and gave three...that's death by verbosity where I come from...

Kinda like ending a statement with a preposition...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: war (#160)

It' an increase in buying power.

Hello? Anyone home?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: war (#154)

Tell my why there are so many in any neighborhood.

In most civilized societies, crooks and pedophiles don't end up being rewarded for their crimes. In my neighborhood, they end up dead, in jail or at least with an ass-kicking.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: bluegrass (#161)

And the Fed has been the model of restraining the money powers?

Have you been paying attention to how the Fed has actually starved the system of dollars? Has it escaped your attention that in this "crisis" that the value of the dollar has RISEN?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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